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By now, I am sure that you've all heard about the military psychiatrist, Major Nidal Malik Hassan of Palestinian origin, who shot dead 13 people and wounded many more at Fort Hood, Texas.

If you haven't read about it, You can do so here.

Hassan was a devout Muslim, who apparently was part of Islamic communities, both in the real world and online, that followed and taught extremist Muslim views. As I was reading the L.A. Times article, I became a bit aggravated due to the nature of the investigation they were conducting. It seemed that because this man was a devout Muslim, they chose to forgo that he had claimed to be depressed about being shipped off to Afghanistan, and jumped straight into the fact that he was a practicing Muslim, your classic profiling case.

However, the L.A. Times article had a link to this website where a Muslim Imam posted a blog entitled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing".

The article only infuriated me more, because this only exacerbates the problem. I'll quote:

Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier. The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges.


And

The heroic act of brother Nidal also shows the dilemma of the Muslim American community. Increasingly they are being cornered into taking stances that would either make them betray Islam or betray their nation. Many amongst them are choosing the former. The Muslim organizations in America came out in a pitiful chorus condemning Nidal’s operation.
The fact that fighting against the US army is an Islamic duty today cannot be disputed. No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut proofs that Muslims today have the right -rather the duty- to fight against American tyranny. Nidal has killed soldiers who were about to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in order to kill Muslims. The American Muslims who condemned his actions have committed treason against the Muslim Ummah and have fallen into hypocrisy.


This is totally ridiculous. I've studied Islam for 10 years, since it was mandatory at my school in order for me to get my diploma, and people like this guy are the biggest brainwashing hypocrites there are. He disguises his hatred for the West as justified because he deems it "holy" and "pure."

Situations like this only make it worse for people like me. I'm an atheist, but technically a Sunni by birth. Plus, I am a Lebanese passport holder. I was recently denied entry into the UK on a visitor's visa due to "uncertainties" and this will only get worse if this stalemate perpetuates between the West and the Middle East, and I feel that it is completely unfair. It's like these are the spokespeople for Arabs, and the Western world will only listen to their baying, and punish the rest of us for it.

I'm interested to know what the melting pot that is the Pit thinks about this?

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Don't feed the trolls
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#3
I think half the pit will say it was ridiculous, the other half will go 'muslims are evil' and Neitsche will go 'you're all neo-liberals'.
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I think half the pit will say it was ridiculous, the other half will go 'muslims are evil' and Neitsche will go 'you're all neo-liberals'.


I think you are probably right.
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Why is Nietsche getting so much mention around UG now?



Because I swear he does it in every fucking thread.
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Because I swear he does it in every fucking thread.

There's plenty of stuff that the guy really knows his stuff on mind. He's extremely well read even if rough round the edges, and for someone who's just left school that's fucking remarkable - school for me were some of the most unproductive years of my life because they were easy, unchallenging and uninspiring.
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Godamn extremists (referring to the uneducated imam here). I've studied and practiced Islam since I was a kid and honestly, this is pure BS. "Fighting against a US Army is Islamic Duty?" No I think not. Since when the hell did religions declare war on nations :S Religions transcend the boundaries of nations, just like any other belief, so this is, again, bs. It's because of these bastards that I have a problem with getting student visas for a whole bunch of countries (I'm a Pakistani passport holder).

Anyways, as for doing the right thing. No. Hassan didn't do the right thing at all but then again, none of the other parties did either. He said he was depressed about his shipment, authorities should have investigated and seen what was troubling him. If they figured out that Hassan was torn apart his religion and going to Afghanistan they would've helped but nopes, the extremists got to Hassan first and they spoonfed him shit. When you're depressed and confused, you need answers and the answers Hassan got were the wrong ones. He shouldn't have listen to their bullcrap and they shouldn't have spewed it but oh well. Then after that, the people who're supposed to condemn violence like the imam, come out and praise him as if he's a martyr or Muhammad pbuh reborn. So yeah, everyone's to blame imo.
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There's plenty of stuff that the guy really knows his stuff on mind. He's extremely well read even if rough round the edges, and for someone who's just left school that's fucking remarkable - school for me were some of the most unproductive years of my life because they were easy, unchallenging and uninspiring.



Not denying it, but hearing it all over the place gets a tad irritating.
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Ah yes, we'll just not mention that he was harassed for being a muslim and he was put through hell because of his beliefs. Now its a tragedy, and as always everyone even remotely responsible will shift the blame away from themselves and focus on how he was a muslim, not that he was depressed, not that he didn't want to go to Iraq which he was mortified of, and not because of the way he was treated.

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There's plenty of stuff that the guy really knows his stuff on mind. He's extremely well read even if rough round the edges, and for someone who's just left school that's fucking remarkable - school for me were some of the most unproductive years of my life because they were easy, unchallenging and uninspiring.

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#11
It's an awful tragedy obviously but it makes it quite convenient for both the hard-line Christian Americans and hard-line Muslim Americans to use the situation to their advantage in spreading more of their respective propaganda against the other side.

Rather than blaming religion, I'd look at what causes extremism in general, and fight against that rather than taking up wildly opposite stances which can only cause tension, and evidently death.
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Anyone else think the US army ought to be a little embarassed that a guy goes on a shooting spree in what the BBC called America's biggest army base, and they had to wait for a cop to take him down?
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What happened there was an absolutely horrible thing to happen, and what that guy did was totally wrong, but it does ring one question:

What kind of idiot tries to send a war-psychiatrist who also is a muslim into a war in an Islamic country of which non-islamic soldiers return with trauma's?

The fact that he was a muslim and didn't want to go because of that kinda speaks for itself, but he's also a psychiatrist who deals with people coming back from a war, who deals with people having trauma's from that place, and then he hears that he himself has to go there..

He was a person that at first hand got to hear what such a scene can do to you, most normal soldiers never get to speak with a soldier that's coming back, and they only experience what it is like if they're already there..

Him also being a muslim kinda makes things a tad worse...


but that being sad, I still think it is horrible what he did...
#16
I think that extremist Muslims are all too keen to put a religious spin on everything. If you kill civilians with suicide bombs/ignore basic human rights then you have to expect some retaliation. It's like they think that the US is at war with them because of what they believe in rather than their actions.
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#18
That imam is a bit of a douchebag.
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Situations like this only make it worse for people like me. I'm an atheist, but technically a Sunni by birth. Plus, I am a Lebanese passport holder. I was recently denied entry into the UK on a visitor's visa due to "uncertainties"



That really sucks
#20
A shame no one shot the imam yet. And a bigger shame that the cop didnt kill Hassan.
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#22
If we didn't want to go off and kill Muslims, then was he in the US Army in the first place? Hasn't he been watching the news this past eight years?
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Anyone else think the US army ought to be a little embarassed that a guy goes on a shooting spree in what the BBC called America's biggest army base, and they had to wait for a cop to take him down?


The standard protocol at Ft. Hood is that soldiers do not carry their weapons around with them. The cops were the only ones besides Hassan who were armed.
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The United States is not in the right, but this Hassan fellow was definitely in the wrong. But it's just another incident that will be forgotten soon enough, until it happens again.
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The standard protocol at Ft. Hood is that soldiers do not carry their weapons around with them. The cops were the only ones besides Hassan who were armed.

So, you have police just wandering around military bases?
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The standard protocol at Ft. Hood is that soldiers do not carry their weapons around with them. The cops were the only ones besides Hassan who were armed.

we gotta revise that
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we gotta revise that


Not really, simply because what If a soldier in the barrack decides to go AWOL with that gun and kill a load of civilians? It would just be history repeating itself here.

The only men on the base who should have guns are the guys training (supervised) and guards at their posts.
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Not really, simply because what If a soldier in the barrack decides to go AWOL with that gun and kill a load of civilians? It would just be history repeating itself here.

The only men on the base who should have guns are the guys training (supervised) and guards at their posts.

They should do more training with their weapons. Simples.
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Not really, simply because what If a soldier in the barrack decides to go AWOL with that gun and kill a load of civilians? It would just be history repeating itself here.

The only men on the base who should have guns are the guys training (supervised) and guards at their posts.


That's the way we do it up north and you don't see our officers attacking their own kind. I only get to touch the rifles when I'm either on a range day or on training. I agree completely.
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Then, witnesses say, he bowed his head for several seconds, as if praying, stood up and drew a high-powered pistol. “Allahu akbar,” he said — “God is great.” And he opened fire. Within minutes he had killed 13 people.

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That's the way we do it up north and you don't see our officers attacking their own kind. I only get to touch the rifles when I'm either on a range day or on training. I agree completely.


Exactly, not every single soldier is a killing machine. Many soldiers never go and fight on the front lines, they do all kinds of jobs. Should these people carry guns? No, there is no reason to carry a gun everywhere you go if you are a soldier. If you are carrying a gun it means you are expecting some kind of trouble. These people expect their fellow soldiers to not go off on shooting rampages, so what Hassan did is even more deplorable because it will only cause soldiers to mistrust other Muslim soldiers in the military.

Secondly, why should him having to go to an Muslim country have anything at all to do with the reason he went crazy? Every single Muslim person I know condemns radicals like Al Qaeda, they say that radicals like bin Laden are not true Muslim people. Every Muslim person I know believes that these radicals should be taken out because they give a bad name to Islam.

Third, this was a terror attack, and I think it is ridiculous that anyone could claim otherwise.
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I only skimmed over the posts, so sorry if it has been said, but why did he join the army if he is such a devout Muslim?
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I only skimmed over the posts, so sorry if it has been said, but why did he join the army if he is such a devout Muslim?


This war is not a war on the Islamic religion, and the Army is open to people of all religions. The mistake of equating this war to a religious or holy war is a dire mistake, and this fool of a Major made it.
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To everyone who is wondering why it took a cop to take him out, and why cops are just wandering around on an army base, I may be wrong but I believ it was an MP who shot him. MPs (Military Police) are part of the army. They are soldiers, they work and live on bases, and they are some of the few soldiers who carry weapons on duty much of the time. So it makes sense that it was an MP who took him out.

Of course none of that matters if it was i fact a civilian police officer and not an MP that got him. Like I said I might be wrong about that part.
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although fitting, it's not nice to call muslims trolls.

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This war is not a war on the Islamic religion, and the Army is open to people of all religions. The mistake of equating this war to a religious or holy war is a dire mistake, and this fool of a Major made it.


Ok, fair enough. The article just made it seem like being in the Army and being a Muslim just CANNOT go together.
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Ok, fair enough. The article just made it seem like being in the Army and being a Muslim just CANNOT go together.


It was a blog by a Muslim extremist who views this war as a holy war. In all honesty there has never been such a thing as a war over religion because every leader in history who has claimed religious motivations was justifying their actions. I find that they are after something economic.
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I'm an atheist, but technically a Sunni by birth. Plus, I am a Lebanese passport holder. I was recently denied entry into the UK on a visitor's visa due to "uncertainties" and this will only get worse if this stalemate perpetuates between the West and the Middle East, and I feel that it is completely unfair.

that sucks dude, thats ****ing racism thats like, not fair at all. that really makes me mad. is there any way you can remove your 'Sunni' title?
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