#1
I just started playing a few months ago and have just been playing various riffs here and there, lately been trying to learn some Seek and Destroy. I am using an Ibanez RG hardtail with the V7/V8 combo and a Vypyr 15 watt. Listening to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DunnfYftYB8 the guy has a great tone that sounds almost like the album. I realize I have an entry level amp, but everything I am trying sounds way too full, too bassy... I can't seem to get the thinner, raspier thrash tone out of my stuff. I've tried different amp settings, different volume/tone settings on the guitar, different EQ's (although still learning that) and it still sounds too "full and rich" I guess you could call it. I guess it's probably the pickups because amp setting don't change the "fullness" of the sound really. Even the single coil setting still does it.

Anyway, does anyone have any amp settings to try? Closest I have got I suppose is the 6505 on the dirty channel with about mid gain, but it's still way too warm.
#2
Get a distortion pedal. Boss Metal Core works the best because they used a pedal to record that album and thats why it sounds thin and thrashy.
#3
I have that same amp, but I have a Boss DS-1 pedal I use with it too. Use your bridge pickup on your Ibanez (I have an RG120) and turn the tone on the pedal to half or higher, to however trebly you want it to sound. Then turn the distortion about 1/2 of the way up and you should be good.

It's really just takes messing with the settings on your amp and the settings on a pedal. If you don't want to use a pedal, it will be much harder, but you may still be able to accomplish the sound straight from the amp. Just take some time and mess with it.
#4
Quote by Trivium7
Get a distortion pedal. Boss Metal Core works the best because they used a pedal to record that album and thats why it sounds thin and thrashy.

Don't do this. If you want to buy a pedal, get a Pro Co Rat Distortion, not a Boss Metal Core. The Rat sounds 10 times better, and it's what James actually used back then.
#5
I thought pedals and solid state amps weren't great together?


BTW the geetar is the RGR421, if it matters... V7/V8, mohogany w/ maple top.

EDIT: Symphony of Destruction is another one. The main riff, I can't get anywhere near it, which sucks because I love that riff to death.


I----------------------------------------------I
I----------------------------------------------I
I----------------------------------------------I
I---------3-2-2---3-2-2----------3-2-2----I
I---------3-2-2---3-2-2----------3-2-2----I
I-1-3-1-1-0-0---1-0-0--1-3-1-1-0-0----I

Makes me sad
Last edited by potatohead_33 at Nov 10, 2009,
#6
yeah noob questions and before you get blown up for some of the most noob questions I've ever heard here's your answer in a constructive delivery.

SS amps (Solid State) always work well with pedals. Modeling amps are a gamble sometimes they do sometimes not as much since they're clean channel is a modeled sound off a amp so it'll respond a little differently.

using a Vypr they should have some sort of Plexi type setting which is what Metallica ran in the early days a Plexi Marshall that was hot rodded or something I believe and was basically just crank it and wank it setting (crank to 10's and rock)

Pedals work by creating an on/off switch at your feet for whatever effect you are using hence the "stomp box" nick name. Stomp on to turn it on/off.

also as far as tone I've heard that the ProCo Rat was used more so than ever hearing of metallica use a DS-1. Kill Em' through MOP was that same type of Marshall type saturated Distortion you hear and very thrashy. when they did Justice they started using Mesa's and EMG's and the like so it got more compressed and everything also the mids started getting scooped a bit. Currently in the studio they are running Diezel's and various others to get their sound and then I still believe it's Mesa's for live setup. So as you see the More $ you make the more options and such become available to you in all instance and with tubes everything starts to vary incredibly in different settings.
Live Rig:
Peavey VK (power amp)
R&R Amps SL/LD (preamp)
EB Volume
Zoom G3
Morpheus Dive bomber
Dunlop 95Q
Guitar-any in my stable
5150 Cab (V30/Sheffield X-pat)
#7
That video is about 90% there for what it covers, but it misses the solo and the ending. Also, you pick the "7"s in the first riff, not hammer. It's also off a bit in the "fast part".

I use a Mesa Boogie MkIII (rectified) setting on my Digitech GNX4 with presence (12/12) treble (10/12), midrange (7/12), bass (-2/12), Gain (80/100). Plate reverb (70/100). 4x12 cabinet modeling w/high EQ. Sounds pretty good on my SSS Strat (except forget about chugging on low open E w/single coils), but really sounds good on my Xiphos with the stock DiMarzio D-Activators. Not a bad tone with the Schechter and its Duncan SH-8 Invader either, but can't play most of it on there since that Floyd Rose is set up for drop D.

This might make it sound more like how it would sound live these days than like the actual album, but whatever.

I'll post a good tab here shortly:
#8
Duration Legend
---------------
W - whole
H - half
Q - quarter
E - 8th
S - 16th
. - note dotted
|-n-| - n-tuplets


Tablature Legend
----------------
L - tied note
x - dead note
g - grace note
(n) - ghost note
> - accentuded note
h - hammer on
p - pull off
b - bend
br - bendRelease
pb - preBend
pbr - preBendRelease
brb - bendReleaseBend
S - shift slide
s - legato slide
/ - slide into from below or out of upwards
\ - slide into from above or out of downwards
~ - vibrato
W - wide vibrato
#10
jetwash69 wrap all your tabs in the code format for them to appear properly
tabs go here
remove the spaces and they'll work or highlight your tabs and click the # button in the text option.
#11
Ok,

Do this 8 times

     PM PM            PM               PM PM PM    PM        
     E  E  S  S E  E  E  S  S E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
E||------------------------------|--------------------------|
B||------------------------------|--------------------------|
G||--------7h-8-7--L-------------|--------------------5-----|
D||----------------------7h-8-7--|--L-----------5--------7--|
A||--0--0-------------0----------|-----0--8--7-----7--------|
E||------------------------------|--------------------------|

Then this 1x
                                        
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E      
---------------------------|
---------------------------|
--9--7-----7---------------|
--------9-----9--8--7s--5--|
---------------------------|
---------------------------|

8x

  PM PM PM PM                PM PM PM PM              
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------5--7--5--7--|--------------------------|
--------------5--7--5--7--|--------------7--5--------|
--0--0--0--0--------------|--0--0--0--0--------7--6--|


8x

  PM PM PM PM PM PM          PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------5-----|
--------------------------|-----------------------7--|
--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|--0--0--0--0--7--6--------|

3x

      PM PM PM             
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q      
-------------------------|
-------------------------|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
-----0--0--0-------------|
-------------------------|

1x
                                  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|
--------------------------|
--7--5--------------------|
--------7--6--5-----------|
-----------------7--6--5--|
--------------------------|

3x

      PM PM PM             
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q      
-------------------------|
-------------------------|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
-----0--0--0-------------|
-------------------------|

2x

  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E      
---------------------------|
---------------------------|
--9--7-----7---------------|
--------9-----9--8--7s--5--|
---------------------------|
---------------------------|

3x

                                            
   W                    H         H         
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--12----------------|--11--------10--------|
--10----------------|---9---------8--------|
--------------------|----------------------|


  PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM    PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM                       
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E                      
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|


1x

   W                    H         H         
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--12----------------|--11--------10--------|
--10----------------|---9---------8--------|
--------------------|----------------------|
#12
4x

  PM PM PM PM                PM PM PM PM              
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------5--7--5--7--|--------------------------|
--------------5--7--5--7--|--------------7--5--------|
--0--0--0--0--------------|--0--0--0--0--------7--6--|


4x

  PM PM PM PM PM PM          PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------5-----|
--------------------------|-----------------------7--|
--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|--0--0--0--0--7--6--------|

3x

      PM PM PM             
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q      
-------------------------|
-------------------------|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
-----0--0--0-------------|
-------------------------|

1x
                                  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|
--------------------------|
--7--5--------------------|
--------7--6--5-----------|
-----------------7--6--5--|
--------------------------|

3x

      PM PM PM             
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q      
-------------------------|
-------------------------|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
-----0--0--0-------------|
-------------------------|

2x

  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E      
---------------------------|
---------------------------|
--9--7-----7---------------|
--------9-----9--8--7s--5--|
---------------------------|
---------------------------|

3x

                                            
   W                    H         H         
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--12----------------|--11--------10--------|
--10----------------|---9---------8--------|
--------------------|----------------------|


  PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM    PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM                       
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E                      
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|

1x

   W                    H         H         
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--12----------------|--11--------10--------|
--10----------------|---9---------8--------|
--------------------|----------------------|

1x
                                                     
  W                   Q      Q    H         
-------------------|-----------------------|
-------------------|-----------------------|
-------------------|-----------------------|
--9----------------|--9--------------------|
--7----------------|--7--------------------|
--0----------------|-----------------------|

1x                                                        
    W                   W                   W                 
---------------------|-------------------|-------------------|
---------------------|-------------------|-------------------|
---------------------|-------------------|-------------------|
---------------------|-------------------|-------------------|
---------------------|-------------------|-------------------|
---------------------|-------------------|-------------------|
#13
TEMPO JUMPS to FREAKING 208 BPM!!!!!
1x

     PM PM    PM PM    PM       PM PM    PM PM    PM  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--5-----------------------|
--5--7-----7--------7-----|--5--------7--------7-----|
--0--0--0-----0--0-----0--|-----0--0-----0--0-----0--|
--------------------------|--------------------------|


     PM PM    PM PM          PM PM PM                 
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q        E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--4-----------------------|--------------------------|
--4--------7--------7\----|-----------3--2--0--------|
-----0--0-----0--0--------|--3--2--0-----------3--0--|
--------------------------|--------------------------|

3x
     PM PM    PM PM    PM       PM PM    PM PM    PM  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--5-----------------------|
--5--------7--------7-----|--5--------7--------7-----|
-----0--0-----0--0-----0--|-----0--0-----0--0-----0--|
--------------------------|--------------------------|


     PM PM    PM PM          PM PM PM                 
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q        E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--4-----------------------|--------------------------|
--4--------7--------7\----|-----------3--2--0--------|
-----0--0-----0--0--------|--3--2--0-----------3--0--|
--------------------------|--------------------------|

#14
1X

  W                   H        E   E    S  E.   
-------------------|----------------------12---|
-------------------|--------------12s--15------|
-------------------|---------------------------|
-------------------|---------------------------|
-------------------|---------------------------|
-------------------|---------------------------|

   S   S  S  S  S   S  S   S  S   S  S  S  S   S  S   S  
--15p-12----12-15p-12-17p-12-15p-12----12-15p-12-17p-12-|
---------12-------------------------15------------------|
--------------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------------|

                                     W                     
   S   S  E   E   E   E   Q.          H         Q     Q     
--15p-12-----12------12-----------|------------------------|
---------15------15------15b------|---L---------L\---------|
----------------------------------|------------------------|
----------------------------------|------------------------|
----------------------------------|------------------------|
----------------------------------|------------------------|


  W                   E.  S  S  S  S S E   S  S  S  S E   
-------------------|--7---7-10p-7----7-7-----------------|
-------------------|--------------10------10p-7-10p-7----|
-------------------|----------------------------------9--|
-------------------|-------------------------------------|
-------------------|-------------------------------------|
-------------------|-------------------------------------|

                          W     W                   W                   
  E  E  E  E    E   E  E  E     W                   Q    Q    H         
-----------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
-----------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
--7-----7--9br--Lp--7--9--L--|--L----------------|--L------------------|
-----9-----------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
-----------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
-----------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|

                                                             W       
   Q.        S  S  E   E   E   E      E   E   E   E      E   Q.      
--17b~------------16--15--14------|---------------------------------|
---------------15-------------15--|--14----------15brb---L---L------|
------------15--------------------|------16-------------------------|
----------------------------------|----------17---------------------|
----------------------------------|---------------------------------|
----------------------------------|---------------------------------|


   W         W                                        
   H         E   E  Q       H        Q      E   S  S  
-------------------------|---------------------20-20-|
---L---------L\----------|----------------/23--------|
-------------------------|---------------------------|
-------------------------|---------------------------|
-------------------------|---------------------------|
-------------------------|---------------------------|


                                             |--3--|  
   S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  S  
--23-20-18-22-19-19-21-21-17-15-19-16-14-14-17-14-12-|
-----------------------------------------------------|
-----------------------------------------------------|
-----------------------------------------------------|
-----------------------------------------------------|
-----------------------------------------------------|


   S  S  S  S  S   S S  S  S  S  S S  S  S  S S  
--16-12-11-14-12s-11-9s-7-10p-7----7-10p-7------|
--------------------------------10---------10-7-|
------------------------------------------------|
------------------------------------------------|
------------------------------------------------|
------------------------------------------------|


                 PM                             W           
   S  S E  E  E  E  E  E    S  S    E  E  E  E  Q    E  E   
---------------------------------|-------------------------|
--10p-7----------7---------------|-------------------------|
--------9--7--9-----9--9br--Lp-7-|--9--7-----7--L----------|
---------------------------------|--------9----------------|
---------------------------------|-------------------------|
---------------------------------|-------------------5--5--|


  E  E   E  E  S  S E  S  S E     E  E  E    S  S E  E  S   S E   
-------------------------------|---------------------------------|
-------------------------------|---------------------------------|
-------------------------------|--7--9--9br--Lp-7-9--7--Lbr-L----|
------------7--9p-7----7h-9-9--|------------------------------9--|
-----5--/9----------9----------|---------------------------------|
--7----------------------------|---------------------------------|


                                         |---3--|                  
  E  E  E   E   S  S E  E  E     E  E    E  E   E  Q       E   E   
------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
------------7--10p-7----------|-------------------------------12--|
--7--9--9b-----------9--7-----|--7--9br--L--Lp--7--9\----/14------|
---------------------------9--|-----------------------------------|
------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
------------------------------|-----------------------------------|


   E    E   S   S  S  S  E    E   S   S  S  S  
-------12--------------------12---------------|
--15b------15p-12----12-15b------15p-12-12-15-|
------------------14--------------------------|
----------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------|


   E    E   S   S  E   E    E   E   E   
-------12------------------12------12--|
--15b------15p-12-15--15b------15------|
---------------------------------------|
---------------------------------------|
---------------------------------------|
---------------------------------------|


   |----3---|   |---3---|   |----3---|   |---3---|   
   E    E   E   E   E   E   E    E   E   E   E   E   
--15p--12-------------------------------------------|
-----------15--12------12--15p--12------------------|
-------------------14---------------14--12------12--|
--------------------------------------------14------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|


                            W     PM  PM  
   |----3---|   |---3---|                 
   E    E   E   E   E   E   Q     E   E   
-----------------------------------------|
-----------------------------------------|
--14p--12--------------------------------|
-----------14--12------------------------|
-------------------14--12------------12--|
---------------------------15----15------|


   PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  PM  
   |---3---|   |---3---|   |---3---|   |---3---|   
   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   
--------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------12------12--|
--------------12------12--14--12--14------14------|
--14--12--14------14------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------|


   |---3---|   |---3---|   |---3---|   |---3---|   
   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   E   
--------------------------------------12------12--|
--------------12------12--15--12--15------15------|
--14--12--14------14------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------|


   |----3---|   |----3---|   |----3---|            
   E    E   E   E    E   E   E    E   E   E   E    
--15p--12-----------------------------------------|
-----------15--12s--11--12--15p--12---------------|
-------------------------------------14--12---Ls--|
--------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------|
--------------------------------------------------|

                                          (whew!) Tempo back to 140 BPM

  PM  PM PM          PM PM    PM PM PM          PM PM                      
  E   E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     W                 
---------------------------|--------------------------|-------------------|
---------------------------|--------------------------|-------------------|
--9\-----------------------|--------------------------|--2----------------|
---------------------------|--------------------------|--2----------------|
------------3--2--0--------|-----------3--2--0--------|--0----------------|
--3---2--0-----------3--2--|--3--2--0-----------3--2--|-------------------|
#15

8x
  PM PM            PM               PM PM PM    PM        
     E  E  S  S E  E  E  S  S E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
------------------------------|--------------------------|
------------------------------|--------------------------|
--------7h-8-7--L-------------|--------------------5-----|
----------------------7h-8-7--|--L-----------5--------7--|
--0--0-------------0----------|-----0--8--7-----7--------|
------------------------------|--------------------------|

1x
                                        
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E      
---------------------------|
---------------------------|
--9--7-----7---------------|
--------9-----9--8--7s--5--|
---------------------------|
---------------------------|

4x

  PM PM PM PM                PM PM PM PM              
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------5--7--5--7--|--------------------------|
--------------5--7--5--7--|--------------7--5--------|
--0--0--0--0--------------|--0--0--0--0--------7--6--|


4x

  PM PM PM PM PM PM          PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------5-----|
--------------------------|-----------------------7--|
--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|--0--0--0--0--7--6--------|

3x

      PM PM PM             
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q      
-------------------------|
-------------------------|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
-----0--0--0-------------|
-------------------------|

1x
                                  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   
--------------------------|
--------------------------|
--7--5--------------------|
--------7--6--5-----------|
-----------------7--6--5--|
--------------------------|

3x

      PM PM PM             
  E  E  E  E  E  E  Q      
-------------------------|
-------------------------|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
--5-----------5--7--5----|
-----0--0--0-------------|
-------------------------|

2x

  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E      
---------------------------|
---------------------------|
--9--7-----7---------------|
--------9-----9--8--7s--5--|
---------------------------|
---------------------------|

3x

                                            
   W                    H         H         
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--12----------------|--11--------10--------|
--10----------------|---9---------8--------|
--------------------|----------------------|


  PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM    PM PM PM PM PM PM PM PM                       
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E                      
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--------------------------|--------------------------|
--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|


1x

   W                    H         H         
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--------------------|----------------------|
--12----------------|--11--------10--------|
--10----------------|---9---------8--------|
--------------------|----------------------|


     PM PM PM PM PM PM PM    PM PM PM PM PM PM PM      
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E   
--------------------------|---------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------|
--9-----------------------|-----------------------12--|
--7-----------------------|-----------------------10--|
-----0--0--0--0--0--0--0--|--0--0--0--0--0--0--0------|

3x

      PM PM         PM PM           PM PM PM PM PM PM      
   E  E  E   E   E  E  E   E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E   
------------------------------|---------------------------|
------------------------------|---------------------------|
------------------------------|---------------------------|
--11--------11--10--------10--|--9--------------------12--|
---9---------9---8---------8--|--7--------------------10--|
------0--0----------0--0------|-----0--0--0--0--0--0------|


      PM PM        PM PM          PM PM PM PM PM PM      
   E  E  E   E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E   
----------------------------|---------------------------|
----------------------------|---------------------------|
----------------------------|---------------------------|
--11--------11--7--------7--|--9--------------------12--|
---9---------9--5--------5--|--7--------------------10--|
------0--0---------0--0-----|-----0--0--0--0--0--0------|


1x

      PM PM         PM PM           PM PM PM PM PM PM      
   E  E  E   E   E  E  E   E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E   
------------------------------|---------------------------|
------------------------------|---------------------------|
------------------------------|---------------------------|
--11--------11--10--------10--|--9--------------------12--|
---9---------9---8---------8--|--7--------------------10--|
------0--0----------0--0------|-----0--0--0--0--0--0------|


      PM PM        PM PM          PM PM PM PM PM PM       
   E  E  E   E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E    
----------------------------|----------------------------|
----------------------------|----------------------------|
----------------------------|----------------------------|
--11--------11--7--------7--|--9-------------------------|
---9---------9--5--------5--|--7-------------------------|
------0--0---------0--0-----|-----0--0--0--0--0--0--12S--|

7x

  PM PM    PM PM    PM PM       PM PM    PM PM         
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E   
--------------------------|---------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------|
--------2--------5--------|--4--------5--------7s--5--|
--0--0--0--0--0--3--0--0--|--2--0--0--3--0--0--5s--3--|

1x

  PM PM    PM PM    PM PM       PM PM PM PM PM        PM PM  
  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E     E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E  E  E   
--------------------------|---------------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------------|
--------------------------|---------------------------------|
--------2--------5--------|--4-----------------7s--5--------|
--0--0--0--0--0--3--0--0--|--2--0--0--0--0--0--5s--3--0--0--|

1x

  E  E  E  E  E  E  E   E   
---------------------------|
---------------------------|
--9--7-----7---------------|
--------9-----9--8--7s--5--|
---------------------------|
---------------------------|

1x

   PM PM PM PM             
   E  E  E  E  Q    Q      
------------------------||
------------------------||
------------------------||
--------------9---------||
--------------7---------||
--0--0--0--0--0---------||
Last edited by jetwash69 at Nov 10, 2009,
#16
When I'm playing metallica on my XXX, I have the gain about 7, bass about 6, mids are 2 or 3 depending on the album (no mids for AJFA) and about 7 or 8 treble.
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#18
Quote by jetwash69
Ok,

Do this 8 times

PM PM PM PM PM PM PM
E E S S E E E S S E E E E E E E E E
E||------------------------------|--------------------------|
B||------------------------------|--------------------------|
G||--------7h-8-7--L-------------|--------------------5-----|
D||----------------------7h-8-7--|--L-----------5--------7--|
A||--0--0-------------0----------|-----0--8--7-----7--------|
E||------------------------------|--------------------------|

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That first riff, in the video I posted (and a few others) I noticed they are ending with 0-8-7-10-7 on the A string, then 10-7 on the D string. Is this incorrect (according to your tab it is) or are there two ways to play it?

Thanks guys for the help as well, I was expecting 14 year olds to call me an idiot
#19
the guy in that video is trying to strangle his guitars neck :s



Stop highlighting my signature!!


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#20
Quote by potatohead_33
I just started playing a few months ago and have just been playing various riffs here and there, lately been trying to learn some Seek and Destroy. I am using an Ibanez RG hardtail with the V7/V8 combo and a Vypyr 15 watt. Listening to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DunnfYftYB8 the guy has a great tone that sounds almost like the album. I realize I have an entry level amp, but everything I am trying sounds way too full, too bassy... I can't seem to get the thinner, raspier thrash tone out of my stuff. I've tried different amp settings, different volume/tone settings on the guitar, different EQ's (although still learning that) and it still sounds too "full and rich" I guess you could call it. I guess it's probably the pickups because amp setting don't change the "fullness" of the sound really. Even the single coil setting still does it.

Anyway, does anyone have any amp settings to try? Closest I have got I suppose is the 6505 on the dirty channel with about mid gain, but it's still way too warm.


woa you think that sounds good??? nope
I get better tone out of my 9" speaker squire I use
to have with metal muff + EQ pedal with hot pickup

Good player can make your amp sound good
a lot more tone is in your hands than you might think
if your a Sh%$&ty guitar player your still a Sh@%^ty guitar player

Best invesment is a good pickup, pretty thick strings and EQ pedal

then when you move to an ENGL head you sound insane

My ENGL Fireball + Vader cab is insanely good
#21
Quote by Trivium7
Get a distortion pedal. Boss Metal Core works the best because they used a pedal to record that album and thats why it sounds thin and thrashy.


"They used a pedal ot make that album"?!

I assume you don't know much about the process of these large bands making an album, there'll be a bit more than "a pedal" in play in the tone

Now seriously spend some time tweaking your amp man, if you have to, record a clip with a tone you may find nice, then when you're able to appreciate the tone (rather than focus on the playing like you do while playing) you can pick it apart. If you don't like it, tweak some more, so on and so on.
Exactly "settings" aren't always definate as there are too many variables in your tone, stemming from the amp, to the cables, to the guitar, to every component in the guitar, to the fingers, you can never replicate perfectly really.

But yeah, the amp should be fine, I always hear great things about the Vypyr for metal tones.
#22
Quote by potatohead_33
I just started playing a few months ago and have just been playing various riffs here and there, lately been trying to learn some Seek and Destroy. I am using an Ibanez RG hardtail with the V7/V8 combo and a Vypyr 15 watt. Listening to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DunnfYftYB8 the guy has a great tone that sounds almost like the album. I realize I have an entry level amp, but everything I am trying sounds way too full, too bassy... I can't seem to get the thinner, raspier thrash tone out of my stuff. I've tried different amp settings, different volume/tone settings on the guitar, different EQ's (although still learning that) and it still sounds too "full and rich" I guess you could call it. I guess it's probably the pickups because amp setting don't change the "fullness" of the sound really. Even the single coil setting still does it.

Anyway, does anyone have any amp settings to try? Closest I have got I suppose is the 6505 on the dirty channel with about mid gain, but it's still way too warm.

There's da problem you silly clown.
#23
Quote by Punk_Ninja
"They used a pedal ot make that album"?!

I assume you don't know much about the process of these large bands making an album, there'll be a bit more than "a pedal" in play in the tone

Now seriously spend some time tweaking your amp man, if you have to, record a clip with a tone you may find nice, then when you're able to appreciate the tone (rather than focus on the playing like you do while playing) you can pick it apart. If you don't like it, tweak some more, so on and so on.
Exactly "settings" aren't always definate as there are too many variables in your tone, stemming from the amp, to the cables, to the guitar, to every component in the guitar, to the fingers, you can never replicate perfectly really.

But yeah, the amp should be fine, I always hear great things about the Vypyr for metal tones.


The vyper doesnt do metal an ENGL Fireball does MeTaL
the boss metal zone sounds terrible without an Equalizer and even
so you still can only get so far, nothing works better than a tube overdriven
amp boosted by some sort of preamp weither that be a 10 Band EQ with gain right after the guitar or just active pickups with sonnic maximizer and TS9 or OD808

you shoulda preordered the 6505+ 112 combo


Above all else to play with what you have just get a cheap danelectro EQ its $30
and actually works rather well, but I always prefer the MXR 10 Band EQ with + gain
Last edited by xDarrellx87x at Nov 10, 2009,
#24
Quote by potatohead_33
That first riff, in the video I posted (and a few others) I noticed they are ending with 0-8-7-10-7 on the A string, then 10-7 on the D string. Is this incorrect (according to your tab it is) or are there two ways to play it?

Thanks guys for the help as well, I was expecting 14 year olds to call me an idiot


Let's just say that I have it on good authority that the tab I posted is correct ;o)

You can play it any way you want to. There's only one way Kirk actually played it that made it onto vinyl. He may or may not play it a little differently live. He may never really remember how he played it in the studio. They do so many different variations from the the demo phase all the way through final production, it would be hard to keep track of what didn't end up on the cutting room floor. Also there can be subtle differences between doubled tracks, so which one are you going to go with? Finally, he can be playing very different things on multiple tracks, not to mention you'll hear James doing different stuff with his rhythm work, too...so again, which one will you go with? That's a lot to keep track of and their chemical influence doesn't help, either.

Sometimes artists will vary the way they play it just for the hell of it. I've seen the A7X tab book transcribe a riff from Beast & the Harlot the same way I saw Syn play it live, yet he plays the same riff on a different part of the neck in his own instructional videos (& maybe that's what he did in the studio, too. Or maybe he did it both ways in the studio). I couldn't hear the difference, although I know that theoretically there will be subtle differences.

Even if you're playing the White Stripes, Jack occasionally overlays tracks, so you won't always be able to make a song sound like the CD. You can't even sound like they do live because most use either backing tracks or session musicians either on stage or off to get those other parts in there that just can't be done at the same time by the same person.

So there's almost always some compromise playing commercial music making it sound "right". And even the tab books won't always be totally accurate.

Bottom line: if it sounds close enough to the sound you're going for to meet your standard, then be happy with it. If not, then keep researching, experimenting, and refining it until you get there.
Last edited by jetwash69 at Nov 10, 2009,