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I am looking at buying a pedal at the moment, and I've got my eye on 2 currently. They are the Boss Metal Zone and the Boss Metal Core. So I want to know which is better. I'm into metal music so I'm looking for the most distortion. Another question, is it even worth buying a pedal? I already have an amp with distortion but I want to know if putting my amp on clean with one of these pedals has more oomf than just my amp with max gain/distortion. Please reply.
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#2
hint: don't look for "the most" distortion.

i got a metal zone as a gift. contrary to most people, i will tell you that it's decent, not great. you should also know that i have the distortion knob at about 10 o'clock, which is way less than what the thing is capable of.

the metal core one is supposed to be even harsher than the metal zone.

i think you should try out some more pedals
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#3
The only Metal Zones that's not absolutely phail are the modded metal zones.

Check out the Keeley or Monte Allums modded metal zones.
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those pedals are just a way for the companies to make a quick buck of stupid beginner guitarists looking for br00tz tone. I guarantee all your heroes get their tone from an overdrive pedal pushing an already overdriven tube amp. Either that or really good solid state amps like Dimebag used. I don't even like metal but my 2c anyway. Those pedals are not decent at all and will make most amps at decent volume sound like balls
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#5
Out of the two, the Metal Core is better (unless the Metal Zone is modded), but there are better pedals out there than both of them. I wouldn't bother with distortion pedal through a Vypyr or MG (I own the former) personally.

If you're still interested in the ML2, I have one that I'm selling.
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those pedals are just a way for the companies to make a quick buck of stupid beginner guitarists looking for br00tz tone. I guarantee all your heroes get their tone from an overdrive pedal pushing an already overdriven tube amp. Either that or really good solid state amps like Dimebag used. I don't even like metal but my 2c anyway. Those pedals are not decent at all and will make most amps at decent volume sound like balls


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Quote by vIsIbleNoIsE
hint: don't look for "the most" distortion.

i got a metal zone as a gift. contrary to most people, i will tell you that it's decent, not great. you should also know that i have the distortion knob
at about 4 o'clock, which is way less than what the thing is capable of.

What?


Are you still using the MG in your signature TS? If so I'd forgo pedals for the time being and just try your best to eq it properly. It's not really worth the money to buy a $90 pedal with that amp.
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^ In his sig, there's a Vypyr 75 right above it. I swear, in GG&A, as soon as we see 'MG' we just switch off and see nothing else, lol
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HE HAS A VYPYR 75 !!!


TS, this should do metal fine on it's own.

Go troll the ultimate settings thread for ideas.
#12
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HE HAS A VYPYR 75 !!!


TS, this should do metal fine on it's own.

Go troll the ultimate settings thread for ideas.
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#13
Yeah dude, if you're not getting a metal sound out of a freakin' Vypyr, you're doing something wrong.

And honestly, some of the most brutal tones are done with a lot less gain than you think.
I keep my gain knob on 5, and I can play some heavy shit with my JSX. Think about it this way - the more gain you end up using, the more you're gonna end up compressing your sound = less dynamic range.

Try adjusting your EQ. If you want more "oomph," play with your midrange and low end, and adjust your treble for a little more cut, maybe. You have a Vypyr - it models the 6505 - the KING of "oomph," in my opinion. lol

Honestly, a Metal Zone is gonna sound a lot wimpier than your Vypyr's distortion - I can't say anything about the Metal Core, but I'd imagine it'd be just as bad.
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Quote by x7shadesofblack

Honestly, a Metal Zone is gonna sound a lot wimpier than your Vypyr's distortion - I can't say anything about the Metal Core, but I'd imagine it'd be just as bad.


And as such, high gain pedals into a modelling amp = no no no no NO NO NO!!!

Much less the metalzone.
#15
The 6505 model on the Vypyr is buzzy and thin, I never found it to be that good. The best metal tones in a Vypyr are mostly found on the Rec, K-Stein and sometimes the Dzl channels.

Takes some tweaking though... My Vypyr is okay, but I rarely get tones out of it that I'm happy with, even for metal.

TS - Play with the EQ on your Vypyr too, look at the Stompboxes, especially the Tubescreamer, X Boost, XR Wild and Squeeze.
#16
I wouldn't suggest an overdrive pedal for your amp - I've never heard a tubescreamer sound good through a solid state amp. I guess another thing is it all depends on EXACTLY what type of metal sound you're looking for.

Are you looking for more of a mid-heavy Slayer type tone, or more of a mid-scooped Pantera-ish tone?
#17
Yeah, stay away from the overdrives. You'll never get what you want out of one. At least with your amp. Most of the people that get killer metal tones from an overdrive pedal REALLY CRANK their tube amps.

If you really want a pedal, the Metal Muff will blow the 2 pedals you are looking at away. It's much more flexible also. The boost is a little harsh for me but if you barely turn it up it gives you a nice tonal change you can use for a second distortion sound.
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Quote by druz15_UG
those pedals are just a way for the companies to make a quick buck of stupid beginner guitarists looking for br00tz tone. I guarantee all your heroes get their tone from an overdrive pedal pushing an already overdriven tube amp. Either that or really good solid state amps like Dimebag used. I don't even like metal but my 2c anyway. Those pedals are not decent at all and will make most amps at decent volume sound like balls

poops

and your vypyr has far better tone than a metal zone could ever hope for. go play it
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What?



i'm an idiot, i meant more like 10 o'clock. -__-
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#20
hmmm on reading all of these helpful suggestions I think I will decide against a pedal... The only reason I wanted one, was so I could crank up the gain on my amp, and add a little bit more with a pedal to get some serious tone without it just feedbacking. But now i see its not worth it, and just a waste of money...

Anyway on my Vyper, I have the pre gain and post gain on max, with the 6505 amp setting on, with no stompox effect. Is that a good metal tone in your opinion?
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#21
Yeah... maybe turn your pre gain down a little. Does it sound good to you? Doesn't matter how we feel, and telling us that you have that amp setting doesn't really tell us how it sounds.
#22
If you think you are still not getting enough distortion, turn some of your pre gain down to about half, and then start using the tubescreamer pedal effect... there will most likely be much more gain... you may start hearing your own thoughts.

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#23
I much prefer the Mega Distortion anyway.
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#25
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I suggest you check out the Line6 Uber metal pedal. The "pulverize" tone is crushing, it has a built in noise gate and it's built like a tank. Way better than either of the Boss pedals imho.


High Gain Modelling pedal into a modelling amp?

Dude...
#26
Are you saying it wouldn't sound good through the clean channel? I don't see why it wouldn't.
All I'm saying is that it's a great pedal. I've tried both Boss pedal's and thought they sounded too fuzzy and muddy.
#27
The amp will get the signal you're feeding into it and try and 'model' it into the sound of whichever channel you are using. It does screw with the tone somewhat, hence distortion pedals into modelers is rarely recommended.
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The amp will get the signal you're feeding into it and try and 'model' it into the sound of whichever channel you are using. It does screw with the tone somewhat, hence distortion pedals into modelers is rarely recommended.


Exactly.

Your "modeled" distortion sound from the Uber metal (which is apparently quite crap) will go through the Vypyr which will try and filter it to match the freq response of a Fender Blackface (or whatever other clean amp). That'll pretty much make it sound like shit.

I speak from experience here.
(Analog distortions fare better than digital modeling pedals though....but still not recommended)
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hmmm on reading all of these helpful suggestions I think I will decide against a pedal... The only reason I wanted one, was so I could crank up the gain on my amp, and add a little bit more with a pedal to get some serious tone without it just feedbacking. But now i see its not worth it, and just a waste of money...

Anyway on my Vyper, I have the pre gain and post gain on max, with the 6505 amp setting on, with no stompox effect. Is that a good metal tone in your opinion?





Vast amounts of gain =/= "serious tone"
Sure a fair amount of gain does sound good. But turning everything to 10 on the amp and adding a (very bad) distortion pedal will not sound good. In fact what you will have is a giant feedbacking mess of feedback with a minute amount of sucky tone.

However a well EQ'ed amp with a reasonable amount of gain will give you a good metal tone. By well EQ'ed I don't mean vastly scooped mids and bass on 10...
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#30
Sometimes, just for fun, I like to turn my knobs so my settings are on 6-6-6.
Not gonna lie, it sounds pretty awesome. Try it. lol
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Vast amounts of gain =/= "serious tone"
Sure a fair amount of gain does sound good. But turning everything to 10 on the amp and adding a (very bad) distortion pedal will not sound good. In fact what you will have is a giant feedbacking mess of feedback with a minute amount of sucky tone.

However a well EQ'ed amp with a reasonable amount of gain will give you a good metal tone. By well EQ'ed I don't mean vastly scooped mids and bass on 10...


I did say I only added a little more gain....
And yes you are right, it does sound like crap; I added my DS-1 to this and... well, simply put, FAIL. By the way while we are on the subject what's an example of a well eq'd amp?
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#32
Quote by x7shadesofblack
Sometimes, just for fun, I like to turn my knobs so my settings are on 6-6-6.
Not gonna lie, it sounds pretty awesome. Try it. lol


Apparently the 5150+/6505+ with all the settings at 6 sound pretty rawk.

Just hearsay tho.. I've not tried it.... hehe the 666 setting.
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#33
When I play on my xxx, I usually don't put my gain past 7. Depending on what type of metal tone your looking for, some mids like iron maiden and slayer, or little mids like metallica, play with yuor knobs and you don't need as much gain as you think.
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#34
Quote by Daemoniak
I suggest you check out the Line6 Uber metal pedal. The "pulverize" tone is crushing, it has a built in noise gate and it's built like a tank. Way better than either of the Boss pedals imho.


+1000


this isnt the greatest pedal of all time .... but the best i heard .. for cheap set up . . it sound better than your average metal zone ,.. metal core . and most of them ...

has a noise gate really useful ..

i would get one ... it the pedal that sound the same in alsmot every amp ... but sound .. nothing like a spider ..

im still amazed by that pedal for bedroom ... specially the noise gate and the pulverize channel .. put that in the clean channel of your amp ... and you shoudl be fine .

i dont even love line 6 .. i still hate the spider II i had 3 years ago . but this pedla is the best ive tried .

but if you got a modeler.. im not sure .. i had bad experience and some had good . but im thinking this would be bad .
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#35
don't listen to any of these guys.

Sell everything you've got, and buy a marshall mg 15dx and a Metal Zone pedal.

Most Br00talz tone there is.
#36
I have a Metal Zone, worst mistake i ever made.

I used to think it was good, but that was because i was playing through a Spider 3. Tehn i thought it was alright, it just went down from there. It is buzzy, ultra thin and one-dimensional. The Mid Freq. knob is useful in theory, but most of the tones you can achieve from it's tweaking are unusable so your left with either the scooped mids or boosted a bit.

It's called the Metal Zone but i just can't get metal tones out of it. Sure it has the gain but even with the mids scooped and the bass cranked you just can't get rid of that thin sound it has. IMO, a metal distortion that can't get heavy is useless.

The only way i could see it being used productively is in Black Metal but that genre prides itself on shit tone.
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don't listen to any of these guys.

Sell everything you've got, and buy a marshall mg 15dx and a Metal Zone pedal.

Most Br00talz tone there is.



Stop spamming.

But

TS, in all seriousness, spend some quality time with your amp. Turn the gain down, push your mids, and go from there.

The best metal tones aren't tones of gain. A lot of guys use WAY less gain than you'd think.
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#38
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The best metal tones aren't tones of gain. A lot of guys use WAY less gain than you'd think.


+1...

It doesn't always need to go to 11.
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+1...

It doesn't always need to go to 11.

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Quote by Fezza_
I did say I only added a little more gain....
And yes you are right, it does sound like crap; I added my DS-1 to this and... well, simply put, FAIL. By the way while we are on the subject what's an example of a well eq'd amp?


That's why I told you off for it Generally if your using pedals on top of a dirty channel stick with tube amp + OD pedal.

An example of a well EQ'd amp is any tone you like What you really like is going to be completely different to what I like. Easiest way to decide what you want is to sit down with your amp, turn everything to 5 and really listen to it. Play with it just on 5 for a bit get a feel for what you think needs changing.
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