Poll: Turning REAL wars into entertainment to be enjoyed is in poor taste.
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#1
Do you think it is in bad taste to turn wars into something people "enjoy" as entertainment? (Biggest example: video games, movies, etc)

For example:

I find WWII video games to be in very poor taste as they are taking something that was REAL, ripped apart families, destroyed millions of lives, and turning it into something for kids to have fun with.

I do not think that movies about real wars are in bad taste because most of the ones I have seen (a lot) clearly show that real war is not something fun to enjoy. It seems like a more fitting tribute that show the hell people went through.

I don't have a problem with fictitious creations such as Halo, MW2, paintball, etc.


I want the pit's opinion on this, however worthless it may be.
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#2
It's a game, get over it.
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#3
No. War games are a tribute to all the people who died fighting. They honour them as heroes.
Or some bullshit like that.
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#4
Nobody that plays Call of Duty is thinking, "hey, I bet real war is just as fun as this."
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#6
It's a game at the end of the day... So no.
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#7
Quote by Tremolo Bum
Do you think it is in bad taste to turn wars into something people "enjoy" as entertainment? (Biggest example: video games, movies, etc)

For example:

I find WWII video games to be in very poor taste as they are taking something that was REAL, ripped apart families, destroyed millions of lives, and turning it into something for kids to have fun with.

I do not think that movies about real wars are in bad taste because most of the ones I have seen (a lot) clearly show that real war is not something fun to enjoy.

I don't have a problem with fictitious creations such as Halo, MW2, paintball, etc.


I want the pit's opinion on this, however worthless it may be.



Yet they still make it fun to watch.

This is rough territory, companies just want money, so perhaps they could care less about what happens. But maybe the CEO who gave the go ahead on the game project sucks his thumb at night.

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#8
Quote by GodofCheesecake
Nobody that plays Call of Duty is thinking, "hey, I bet real war is just as fun as this."

No, but that's probably because call of duty isn't fun to begin with.
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#9
Quote by Kensai
No, but that's probably because call of duty isn't fun to begin with.

You know exactly what I meant, you troll, you
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#10
the more graphic the game the more i realize how much it would suck to be in that situation.
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#11
When I play Call of Duty im going, "Ok, Ive died like 5 times on this mission, Im never going to war."

I said agree somewhat
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#12
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Yet they still make it fun to watch.

This is rough territory, companies just want money, so perhaps they could care less about what happens. But maybe the CEO who gave the go ahead on the game project sucks his thumb at night.

Good point. I feel that a movie such as Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down is a much more fitting "tribute" than a video game.

Would there be outrage if a company made a game this year about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan? I think there would be.

Another thing that came to mind was that D-Day 'parody' commercial for an airline or something where the guy is talking about going to Cancun (I think).
#13
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No, but that's probably because call of duty isn't fun to begin with.


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#14
Quote by Tremolo Bum
Would there be outrage if a company made a game this year about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan? I think there would be.

Unless I'm mistaken, that's pretty much what Modern Warfare was about, just without explicitly stating it.

Either way, if there was an outrage I'd think the people being outraged were morons.
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#15
I think that (from what I played of the campaign) MW2 shows how real war is way better than past call of dutys.
#16
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Good point. I feel that a movie such as Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down is a much more fitting "tribute" than a video game.

Would there be outrage if a company made a game this year about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan? I think there would be.

Another thing that came to mind was that D-Day 'parody' commercial for an airline or something where the guy is talking about going to Cancun (I think).


Some little company did a while back, it sucked though.

Anyways, I'm really good at CoD, so I'm off to join the Army and put my mad skills to good use. Later.
#17
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No, but that's probably because call of duty isn't fun to begin with.

The reason I'm not joining the army is because all the damn Iraqis are wallhacking
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#19
Well, it's not like kids pick up history books anymore. Might as well have something that gives them knowledge of wars that have happened. As entertaining as games or movies may be, they still portray the struggles, heroism, and grimness of the whole thing.

I mean, people watch gut-wrenchingly sad movies - for example - and get a level of kick out of it. It still leaves a huge, gaping chasm form of empathy towards the characters involved at the end of the day.

I hardly think people watch Saving Private Ryan (just as an example due to its popularity) and think, "Man. I wish I was in WW2, getting my arm blown off, set on fire, losing my buddies and not getting any sleep".
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#20
It started out with something like medal of honor where you only had the option of playing the good guys. So when it first appeared it was more of a way to take shit on the nazi's pretty much.

Now it's progressed to whatever side you wish, specifically for weapons. I personally don't think any of these games were done in bad taste, I just think your answer lies with capitalism and brutality.

You can't legally kill someone with a gun or knife, but you can in a game. When game companies realized how violent our generation was and how well we responded to these games....well....cha-ching!
#21
how bout we all become hippies, one country, blow ourselves back technilogically by about 30 years and all be happier. And have no war, and don't make the game.
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#22
You know what, TS? You've inspired me. I think we should boycott these games. In fact, we should boycott any realistic fiction books about war, as well. I mean, those entertain people, right? And apparently it's morally offensive if people are entertained by something.
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#23
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You can't legally kill someone with a gun or knife, but you can in a game. When game companies realized how violent humans are and how well we respond to these games....well....cha-ching!


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#24
Quote by Aerokizzombie
how bout we all become hippies, one country, blow ourselves back technilogically by about 30 years and all be happier. And have no war, and don't make the game.


Well, 30 years ago there was still war. And the hippie movement was born out of one of the most brutal wars that has ever taken place.
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#25
I say we start a war on hippies.

I'll make a game on it. Or get some hippy to do it considering I can't. At gun point.

Damn I hate hippies...
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#26
Quote by Talonwolf
I say we start a war on hippies.

I'll make a game on it. Or get some hippy to do it considering I can't. At gun point.

Damn I hate hippies...

I assume either
1)13 year old or less
2)doesn't get hippies

either way, we hate you too
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#27
question: have you ever played a WW II game? probably not.

play call of duty 2 for an hour and tell me you don't think war is hell. the whole time you're thinking, "what a rush, this is fun. but shit, this really happened...and in real life i would've died 37 times by now."

also, the fact that you mind historical shooters but not mw2 is kind of stupid. if anything it should be the opposite.
#28
Quote by GodofCheesecake
You know what, TS? You've inspired me. I think we should boycott these games. In fact, we should boycott any realistic fiction books about war, as well. I mean, those entertain people, right? And apparently it's morally offensive if people are entertained by something.

I stated in the very first post that I have nothing against fictitious works.

I gave the example of how I felt that turning WWII into a video game was in poor taste, but movies (eg: SPR, BHD, etc) were more of a tribute, in my opinion.

Books tend to be more informational, but I found entertainment in them as well. Are books in poor taste? I don't think so.


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question: have you ever played a WW II game? probably not.

play call of duty 2 for an hour and tell me you don't think war is hell. the whole time you're thinking, "what a rush, this is fun. but shit, this really happened...and in real life i would've died 37 times by now."

also, the fact that you mind historical shooters but not mw2 is kind of stupid. if anything it should be the opposite.

Yes, I own call of duty World at War which portrays real events and I thought making a game out of it was in bad taste.

MW2 is made up, pretend, whatever you want to call it. It did not happen. I don't have a problem with it. I bought it at midnight on the release.
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#29
Video games can be just as valid a medium for storytelling as movies and books.
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#30
God dammit.. They're games.

If you or your kid doesn't have enough sense to realise that then don't buy a copy.
#31
agree somewhat.
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#32
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God dammit.. They're games.

If you or your kid doesn't have enough sense to realise that then don't buy a copy.

That's not what I'm asking.

That's like saying "It's just a poster, get over it." if someone posted an incredibly offensive poster (violent, crude, whatever) in a public place.

It's not the medium, its the content and principle behind it. I find war video games to be fun and exciting, but is that the way we should be portraying real events such as WWII?

I'm just asking people's opinions and sharing my own, not telling them what they do is wrong.
#33
Quote by Tremolo Bum
I stated in the very first post that I have nothing against fictitious works.

I gave the example of how I felt that turning WWII into a video game was in poor taste, but movies (eg: SPR, BHD, etc) were more of a tribute, in my opinion.

Books tend to be more informational, but I found entertainment in them as well. Are books in poor taste? I don't think so.


Yes, I own call of duty World at War which portrays real events and I thought making a game out of it was in bad taste.

MW2 is made up, pretend, whatever you want to call it. It did not happen. I don't have a problem with it. I bought it at midnight on the release.



Are you saying that video games aren't fictitious works?
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#34
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That's not what I'm asking.

That's like saying "It's just a poster, get over it." if someone posted an incredibly offensive poster (violent, crude, whatever) in a public place.

It's not the medium, its the content and principle behind it. I find war video games to be fun and exciting, but is that the way we should be portraying real events such as WWII?

I'm just asking people's opinions and sharing my own, not telling them what they do is wrong.


Ok..

My opinion is that we're better with them than without. Without them, half of the kids wouldn't even know there was such thing as a war and how terrible it can be.
#35
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It's not the medium, its the content and principle behind it. I find war video games to be fun and exciting, but is that the way we should be portraying real events such as WWII?

To put it quite simply: Why not?
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#36
I think war games are generally one-sided and only emote the romantic notions of war, but are they in bad taste? I don't think so, really.


I mean, how would you feel about a video game about the Civil War (yes, I realize these exist but they're in small numbers and all look pretty bad)? I don't know really, but that's never really stopped anybody from interpreting war through some artistic means.
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#37
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1) 21
2) I get them. They hang around with their mass produced acoustic guitars, complaining about the 'capitalist pigs' on their mass produced laptops, buy socialist merchandise from multi-national companies, don't actually understand Marxism but talk about it all the time anyway, buy their food conveniently from supermarkets, say things like "you wouldn't understand - you work for the capitalist pigs" when it's directed towards a guy working in a privately owned pub, but more importantly:

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I'm generalising, of course. I do know some hippies who live out in the middle of nowhere, cultivate their own food , do a lot for the environment (forresting etc.) and are incredibly passive, creative, and peaceful people who can at least grasp onto the basic concepts of sociology, psychology etc. that most hippies claim to have an expertise on without actually looking into anything.

I'm afraid living in a city has given me a bad outlook on the 'standard' hippy.
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#38
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1) 21
2) I get them. They hang around with their mass produced acoustic guitars, complaining about the 'capitalist pigs' on their mass produced laptops, buy socialist merchandise from multi-national companies, don't actually understand Marxism but talk about it all the time anyway, buy their food conveniently from supermarkets, say things like "you wouldn't understand - you work for the capitalist pigs" when it's directed towards a guy working in a privately owned pub, but more importantly:

They fail to realise that no matter how high their moral high horse is, humanity sucks, nothing's going to change that, their pathetic attempts at protesting and crappy dreadlocks aren't going to make a difference, no one's truly individual as we react appropiately to that of the society and environment that surrounds us, and they - and all of us - are all in the end, conforming, mindless drones attempting to escape the reality that we are all essentially automatons and free will is an illusion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm generalising, of course. I do know some hippies who live out in the middle of nowhere, cultivate their own food , do a lot for the environment (forresting etc.) and are incredibly passive, creative, and peaceful people who can at least grasp onto the basic concepts of sociology, psychology etc. that most hippies claim to have an expertise on without actually looking into anything.

I'm afraid living in a city has given me a bad outlook on the 'standard' hippy.



Who can disagree with that? You expressed my sentiments perfectly.

And on the subject, I don't find them offensive. It's purely a game;
nothing more. They don't glamourise war, or make it out to be a great big laugh and you come home with a bag of loot from an arabs palace. It's just a game, simple.
#39
I have no idea.

How do the vets feel about these games? Society has changed though, and I don't think it's wrong or right, it's just there.
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#40
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Who can disagree with that? You expressed my sentiments perfectly.

And on the subject, I don't find them offensive. It's purely a game;
nothing more. They don't glamourise war, or make it out to be a great big laugh and you come home with a bag of loot from an arabs palace. It's just a game, simple.


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