#1
Hey,

I just bought a great sounding guitar that seems to not exist. The internet contains no information about this model. The sticker in the sound hole says PR325, the serial number is too short for EP serial number. It says Made in Korea (assume Peerless given the PR model designation)

The guitar looks identical to its cohort-mate the PR350 which is a look still carried by the DR series.

Anyone has heard of the 325? I touched it and I liked it. Then a friend of mine, a much better player, took hold of it, and the guitar sang arias .. it was astounding. And that was with a decade old strings!

Picture below.

Thanks

Dozy


(the pic is from the seller on Craigslist)
Last edited by DozyAustin at Nov 15, 2009,
#2
Looks to be from the 80s based on the "Epiphone by Gibson" on the headstock. And from what I know about 80s Epiphones, there is very little information about them.
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#3
Thanks, that is reasurring, but I am very much hoping to actualyl find out something about this guitar.

I hope I do eventually.

Dozy
#4
I took some more detailedp icutures.

They can be found here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/igor.holas/Guitar#

unlike most epiphones I know - this one is tussed from the sound hole!! The headstock and everything else seems the same as the 350S / DR range ...

I am trying to get Gibson support to give me some information

thanks
#5
1970-PRESENT (FOREIGN): In 1970, production of Epiphone
instruments
moved to Japan. Japanese Epiphones were manufactured
between 1970 and 1983. According to author/researcher Walter
Carter, the serial numbers on these are unreliable as a usable tool
for dating models. Comparison to catalogs
is one of the few means
available for dating these instruments. Earlier Kalamazoo labels were
generally orange with black printing and said “Made in Kalamazoo”,
while the Japanese instruments featured blue labels which read
“Epiphone of Kalamazoo, Michigan” (note that it doesn’t say “Made
in Kalamazoo”, nor does it say “Made in Japan&rdquo. Rules of thumb are,
by nature, research of the model should be more thorough than just
glancing at the label. Serial numbers from Japanese-made models are
still unknown.
During the early 1980s, the Japanese production costs became pricey
due to the changing ratio of the dollar to the yen. Production then
moved to Korea where a different serialization system was used.
NUMBER YEAR TYPE
1000 1985 SOLIDBODIES
4000000S 1985 HOLLOWBODIES
4100000S 1985 HOLLOWBODIES
5060000S 1985 SOLIDBODIES
5080000S 1985 SOLIDBODIES
5090000S 1985 HOLLOWBODIES
5100000S 1985 SOLIDBODIES
Current Epiphones manufactured overseas typically utilize a seven- or
eight-digit serial number, the first digit being the last one or two numbers
of the year of manufacture, and the third and fourth digits being
the week of manufacture. Many of these instruments have an alphabetical
character designating the manufacturing facility:
China
BW Unknown
DW DaeWon
EA Qing Dao
EE Qing Dao
MC Muse
SJ Sae Jung
Z Zaozhuang Saehan
Czech
B Bohemia Musico-Delicia
Indonesia
SI Samick
Japan
F FujiGen
J/T Terada
Korea
I Saein
P/R Peerless
S Samick
U Unsung
Examples: S3061789 refers to an instrument mfg. June, 1993 by
Samick,
R5068265 indicates an instrument mfg. during 1995 by Aria.
S02104385 indicates a Samick model produced in October, 2002.
Models produced in the late 1990s and early 2000s are more likely to
have the eight-digit system.
Elite/Elitist Models:
Epiphone Elitist models utilize a different serialization system that
consists of one letter and five digits (FYNNNN). F indicates the factory
code, which will be either a T or an F as all Elitist models are built in
Japan, the Y indicates the last number of the year, and the remaining
four digits are sequential numbering. Example: T30765 is a 2003
Elitist built in the Terada factory and was the 765th instrument that
year.
1977-PRESENT (U.S.): Some top-of-the-line Epiphones were
produced in the U.S. at Gibson’s Kalamazoo, Nashville, and Montana
facilities since the mid-70s. Like Gibson numbers, there are eight
digits in the complete number, and this number follows the code of
YDDDYNNN. The YY (first and fifth digits) indicate the year it was built.
DDD indicates the day of the year (so DDD can’t be above 365), and
the NNN indicates the instrument’s production
ranking for that day
(NNN = 021 = 21st guitar built). The Nashville facility begins each day
at number 501, and the Montana workshop begins at number 001 (as
did Kalamazoo). However, in 1994, the Nashville-produced Epiphones
were configured as YYNNNNNN: YY = 94 (the year) and NNNNNN is
the ranking for the entire year. Example: 82303025 was built on the
230th day of 1983 and was the 25th instrument built at Kalamazoo
that day.
Source: Walter Carter, Epiphone: The Complete History, Walter
Carter and George Gruhn, Gruhn’s Guide to Vintage Guitars.
#6
the thing is .. my serial number is


8801169

It does not quite fit. However it is close enough that I assume the following:
1) 8801 means January 1988
2) the 169 means it was guitar number 169 in January 88.
3) seeing how most of Epi's Korean production in the 80's came from Peerless, I assume my guitar was built there.

However - I am still trying to figure out the construction - solid or laminate? what woods? The PR350's were solid spruce top, the sides and back of the 350S were made of laminates mahogany, and those on the 350SM were made of solid mahogany All have mahogany neck and fingerboard.

However, the PR350's were all tussed from the headstock - not the sound hole. The new DR series is also tussed from the headstock. This might be a small change - but to me it implies a different guitar. I am not that skilled in the engineering aspect of guitars.

I am trying to find what mine is made of, and other details. I like knowing my instruments, my cars, my electronics, so I an care for them the right way (and boast about them among friends :P)

Thanks for the info. And if you have more, feel free.
Last edited by DozyAustin at Nov 21, 2009,
#7
Hey DozyAustin. I've just come across this while looking for info on my Epiphone PR350s.
My guitar looks exactly the same as yours (inc: fretboard, logo, label etc) except for the scratch plate - Mine is tortoise shell, rather than black.
I have searched hi n lo for a serial number that is similar to mine (7 digits, beginning with 88), but have not found anything ... until now!
Mine is: 8801079. I presumed the same "de-coding" as you, so maybe mine was made in Jan 1988 ... 90 guitars before yours???
#8
Quote by DozyAustin
...[ ].....However - I am still trying to figure out the construction - solid or laminate? what woods? The PR350's were solid spruce top, the sides and back of the 350S were made of laminates mahogany, and those on the 350SM were made of solid mahogany
I would think you might take a shot a checking the sound hole with a hand microscope or magnifier. You might be able to see the plies of a laminate top, but I'd wager it wouldn't be easy.

Or, try using a mirror and light inside the guitar, and try to see if the inside grain of the matches the outside. (OK, these suggestions are imprecise and iffy, but better than nothing).

Quote by DozyAustin
....[ ]....All have mahogany neck and fingerboard.
Really? I've never heard of mahogany being used for finger boards. The two overwhelming choices are rosewood, (most common), and ebony, (ostensibly a step up). But that depends on who you ask, I suppose.

Even my maple neck Fender, "Sonoran", has a rosewood board. (But Fender's teles and Strats, often come with maple boards, which do jump right out at you).

Rosewood, does have an open pore grain pattern, reminiscent of mahogany.

I'm not suggesting you're incorrect, mind you. I'm just commenting on the rarity of the issue.
Last edited by Captaincranky at Mar 2, 2014,
#9
I can't vouch for the 325 but I have a PR350s I bought about 1990 and it has a resonant tone that gets noticed by many musicians. It really shouldn't be that good for the money but they a beginning to get a good reputation. It won't put a solid wood Gibson to shame but a lot of Eastern Guitars several times its cost are pale by comparison.

Mine
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z410/ESBlonde/Guitars/016.jpg
#10
Hey,
Where can I buy this guitar, what do you think about this guitar, this guitar is great for beginners like me?

Thanks.
#11
DozyAustin I bought one of these from Guitar Center back in the day. They probably bought an entire shipment of acoustics, and sold them for $100 each. Judging from the serial number system sited above, I think mine was manufactured in Feb of 1987. It says Epiphone by Gibson on the headstock. Sweet acoustic. It's been my main house guitar since I bought it, I'd guess in the summer of 87.