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#1
i just read about a 10 year old in Arkansas who refused to say the Pledge of Alliegance. He mentions America's constant criticizm of the gay culture and says he refuses to say the pledge until they have equal rights. I think this kid is right. Im not gay but the way people treat gays is really ****ed up. They are humans too regardless of religious bullshit about how their an abomination to God. **** that. If god loves everyone than their not abominations. Also, this kid has the right to do what he did. All you patriots who say IF YOU DONT SAY THE PLEDGE YOUR NOT AN AMERICAN you need to shut the **** up. if your a soldier...YOU fought for his right to say that. YOU fought for his right for freedom of speech. So before you criticize him think about that. Anyone who refuses to say the pledge is just as much an american as you are regardless of if you fought in a war or something. He is exercising the right that YOU fought for.

whats your opinion on this?
#2
Cool kid. I think more people should take a stand.
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#3
I heard about that. Fair play to the kid.
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#6
Honestly I think that this is the kid's dad doing the talking, I know I didn't have political ideas when I was 10.

Either way, the kid clearly agrees with it and has a point. He's an inspiration.

I stopped saying the pledge when I found out it was changed to include "Under God" because I'm an atheist and I think that it's very presumptuous and wrong to say "Under God" as if we're something special.
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#8
Kudos to the kid. We need more people like that
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A clapstack for the brave kid. If only I was this mature and intelligent at his age... And anyway, why is not saying the pledge considered evil or wrong?
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Amazing that a 10 year old is more aware of what is fair than most grown-ups.
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I live in arkansas and I must say that this kind of thing was a big deal when I was in highschool.

Most teachers/facilitators/staff members claim its acctually against the law not to pledge allegiance. I got in trouble for this constantly as I was going through my anarchy phase or whatever.

Anyways, I've always seen the pledging of allegiance to be ironic, most christians fight to the death about how much this is a christian nation and how strong our christian values are, but they are blind to see that pledging allegiance in the morning to somthing is considered sin in the bible, becuase your basically swearing to somthing besides god.

A christians god is indeed, a jealous god.

Anyways, this has nothing to do with me, I dont beleive in any of it.

+1 for the kid.
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#16
I was truly expecting to see this thread full of

"WTF! This kid hates his country! He should die!"
#18
Epic child is epic.

Props and huge respect to him.
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#19
Do you have to say the pledge everyday in america or something? Are they afraid that citizins are going to quit without giving a 1 week notice or something?
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I stopped saying the pledge when I found out it was changed to include "Under God"

I never got it, why does the U.S. still have the "In God We Trust" quote on their dollars? Aren't there enough non-Christians and atheists to justify a change?
#21
You have to say a pledge? Wow. When are people gonna realise that a country is just a place you live in.
#22
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i just read about a 10 year old in Arkansas who refused to say the Pledge of Alliegance. He mentions America's constant criticizm of the gay culture and says he refuses to say the pledge until they have equal rights. I think this kid is right. Im not gay but the way people treat gays is really ****ed up. They are humans too regardless of religious bullshit about how their an abomination to God. **** that. If god loves everyone than their not abominations. Also, this kid has the right to do what he did. All you patriots who say IF YOU DONT SAY THE PLEDGE YOUR NOT AN AMERICAN you need to shut the **** up. if your a soldier...YOU fought for his right to say that. YOU fought for his right for freedom of speech. So before you criticize him think about that. Anyone who refuses to say the pledge is just as much an american as you are regardless of if you fought in a war or something. He is exercising the right that YOU fought for.

whats your opinion on this?


I think thats the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Just because you don't agree with an issue in America, that doesn't give you reason not to support the country. The Pledge of Allegiance is about supporting and protecting your homeland, it's not about supporting it's government. I don't agree with abortion or the way we convict non-violent drug offenders but I'll still say the Pledge. YOU WILL ALWAYS DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING ABOUT AMERICA. to sum it up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw

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#23
This is why I'm glad to be british.

EDIT (to elaborate): We don't have a pledge, I feel that I can choose to be patriotic, or not. A pledge of alliegance basically says (i feel) "I agree with everything that our noble rulers say, We are free to do as they tell us"

but then, that's my opinion.
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#24
For those of you who dont know, most states require this pledge to be recited at the beginning of the day every school day, usually recited over the intercom.

It goes as followed

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

"Under god" was not in the orginal pledge, and Metallicas album "And justice for all" was derived from this.
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For those of you who dont know, most states require this pledge to be recited at the beginning of the day every school day, usually recited over the intercom.

It goes as followed

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

"Under god" was not in the orginal pledge, and Metallicas album "And justice for all" was derived from this.


Oh wow, that's insane.
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For those of you who dont know, most states require this pledge to be recited at the beginning of the day every school day, usually recited over the intercom.

It goes as followed

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

"Under god" was not in the orginal pledge, and Metallicas album "And justice for all" was derived from this.

thats just ****ed up what grade do they srat saying it because i sure as hell would pledge to anything if i was like 6
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thats just ****ed up what grade do they srat saying it because i sure as hell would pledge to anything if i was like 6


Man I can remember doing it as far back as I remember.

When your really young they try to drill it in your head that its the proper thing to do, and by the time you get older everyones just so use to doing it.

Its like were robots man.
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I think thats the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Just because you don't agree with an issue in America, that doesn't give you reason not to support the country. The Pledge of Allegiance is about supporting and protecting your homeland, it's not about supporting it's government. I don't agree with abortion or the way we convict non-violent drug offenders but I'll still say the Pledge. YOU WILL ALWAYS DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING ABOUT AMERICA.


I agree. There is nothing wrong with using our freedom of speech, or nothing wrong with not saying the pledge, but if it sucks so bad here he should gtfo like anyone else (Disclaimer: I know he's 10). Our country has much wrong with it like any other country, but Americans are fscking blind to what we have that's right.
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Wow, sometimes I wish that North Korea HAS nukes.

OT: Religion/pledge should be voluntary and this kid rules.
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You have to say that everyday? Wow thats incredibly ironic lol


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I never got it, why does the U.S. still have the "In God We Trust" quote on their dollars? Aren't there enough non-Christians and atheists to justify a change?

Yes, but most of the people in charge are Christians and too stubborn to understand any other viewpoint.

I don't say the pledge but nobody really bitches at me about it.

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"Freedom of speech. The freedom to disagree. That’s what I think pretty much being an American represents."

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#34
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I agree. There is nothing wrong with using our freedom of speech, or nothing wrong with not saying the pledge, but if it sucks so bad here he should gtfo like anyone else (Disclaimer: I know he's 10). Our country has much wrong with it like any other country, but Americans are fscking blind to what we have that's right.

thats what i was talking about. Just because a person doesnt want to say the pledge doesnt mean that they hate the country. so saying gtfo is stupid. but america is blinded by the lust for power and wealth and whatnot. Christians also have an issue with this its because of them that its required by law to have Under God in the pledge of alliegance whatever happened to separating church and state? also, im not a strong christian but i guess that makes me agnostic i need proof that god really exists.
#35
....... *Sigh* Its things like this that make me ashamed of my state.
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#36
I'm glad we have nothing like that in Britain - although I had something nearly as bad. Hymn singing (anyone else have it?) Of course even then I didn't believe in god so I didn't sing. Kid did a good job.

Farcical pledge is a farce.
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I think thats the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Just because you don't agree with an issue in America, that doesn't give you reason not to support the country. The Pledge of Allegiance is about supporting and protecting your homeland, it's not about supporting it's government. I don't agree with abortion or the way we convict non-violent drug offenders but I'll still say the Pledge. YOU WILL ALWAYS DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING ABOUT AMERICA. to sum it up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw


Why should he support a country that he feels is doing wrong?
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I agree. There is nothing wrong with using our freedom of speech, or nothing wrong with not saying the pledge, but if it sucks so bad here he should gtfo like anyone else (Disclaimer: I know he's 10). Our country has much wrong with it like any other country, but Americans are fscking blind to what we have that's right.

I hate that attitude. "If you don't like it then get out". No, that's stupid. If you don't like it then you should try to fix it.
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Honestly I think that this is the kid's dad doing the talking, I know I didn't have political ideas when I was 10.


Yeah, up until a couple of years ago, I only believed what my parents told me.

Kids are America's soft spot, though, and if a kid portrays the image that he is "fighting for a cause," then people would join in, because "he's just an innocent child, and we must protect him."