Poll: Would you consider Math as an Art?
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View poll results: Would you consider Math as an Art?
Yes.
46 24%
Nope.
145 76%
Voters: 191.
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#1
A few months ago, as my math teacher was teaching us she suddenly said something about math being beautiful, and that it was an Art. A friend of mine responded rejecting her thought saying that Math couldn't be an Art, because it doesn't really express anything and he explained many more things out of his opinion on what "Art" was. I leaned more on what my friend expressed, but I didn't really say anything even though I had my ideas and the whole class resulted in the debate in between my teacher and my friend arguing if Math was an Art.

My opinion is simple: Math isn't an Art, it doesn't move masses of people to ideals, nor does it express any emotion. It's a science not an art.

I can say more, but I'd rather hear your opinions first.
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#3
i can't think of a more boring subject than math.
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#4
Where I agree with you that it isn't art, I disagree with the fact that it doesn't move people to ideals. If math could somehow disprove the existence of God (like it would make a difference), it would move people towards the ideal that there's no such thing.

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#5
calculus and math are not an art, they are a form of rules, which become equations, which is math. so no.
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#6
No, maths is pretty much just pure logic. Art wouldn't have to worry about that, and maths has nothing to express.
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#8
Maths is one gigantic piss-take is what it is (Honors Maths sucks so much)
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#9
Mathematics themselves aren't an art, they are a combination of strictly defined rules.

Mastering all of these rules and being able to solve ridiculously complex equations which lead to practical uses can be considered as an art, though.

Edit: I voted yes, because some specific equations are the basis of some shapes and phenomenon that can easily be qualified as art. Take fractals, for example.
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#10
Maths is certainly elegant. While I'd say it's AN art, I wouldn't say it's art.
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#11
Don't forget people that art isn't strictly defined as creative stuff like painting, music etc. It is also defined as a skill and as the usage of maths is a skill in that definition maths is an art.

That's the way I see it anyway.
#12
No. Maths is basically a way to quantify all sorts of things seen in nature.
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#14
Mathematic is not an Art.


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#15
math is an understanding of our world. art is an expression of our feelings and ideas. It's like fact vs. opinion.
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#16
I would say mathematics is an art but this is coming from someone who has done alot of it. I can understand people saying that it isn't an art and that probably comes from those who have general knowledge, I myself thought that aswell until I started to move up in the math and engineering world and started to realize that any application being as simple as a guitar pedal to something very complex such as making a helicopter stay in the air could be modeled by the same branch of mathematics. Just my two cents from a control systems nerd.
#17
A key element of art is expression, is it not? I don't find any of that in math. To me, math is a tool that is suitable for certain tasks, nothing more. But that's coming from an engineering student, so take it with a grain of salt.


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#18
Math is a science. There's no emotion or expression, which is what Art is all about. Only endless rules.
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#19
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I would say mathematics is an art but this is coming from someone who has done alot of it. I can understand people saying that it isn't an art and that probably comes from those who have general knowledge, I myself thought that aswell until I started to move up in the math and engineering world and started to realize that any application being as simple as a guitar pedal to something very complex such as making a helicopter stay in the air could be modeled by the same branch of mathematics. Just my two cents from a control systems nerd.


Math can, of course, be used to create art, but I wouldn't say that it is an art form in itself.

Kinda like the paintbrush.
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I would say mathematics is an art but this is coming from someone who has done alot of it. I can understand people saying that it isn't an art and that probably comes from those who have general knowledge, I myself thought that aswell until I started to move up in the math and engineering world and started to realize that any application being as simple as a guitar pedal to something very complex such as making a helicopter stay in the air could be modeled by the same branch of mathematics. Just my two cents from a control systems nerd.



But that would mean Math could be used as a "tool" to make Art.

Let me give this example that involves a relation:

Music Theory could be used as a tool to make Music.

Math could be used as a tool to make a painting.

So really, Math itself isn't an Art but the base to make Art. This is my opinion though.
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#21
Math has nothing to do with creativity. When practicing math, one has to stick to using fixed formulas/equations. Therefore, it's no where near an art.

Plus, what the posts above said about expressing emotion/one's self.
#22
awww shit, why did I vote yes?

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#23
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When practicing math, one has to stick to using fixed formulas/equations. Therefore, it's no where near an art.
If you think that's actually true, you really haven't done much maths.
#24
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So really, Math itself isn't an Art but the base to make Art. This is my opinion though.


I do agree with that statement. I was thinking more towards the application side of mathematics rather than pure mathematics in itself. Pure math is not way to express emotions however there is a tremindous amount of creativity involved.
#25
I would say it is just applied logical rules to create formula, equations, laws etc. However I'm only in my first year at uni (studying Maths) and I accept that in comparison to how much knowledge is available I infact have very little at this point in time, So I wouldn't be surprised if it is considered an art by Professors and lecturers etc. Really the only thing that makes up the answer is your opinion of what an art is, seen as how must of us already have a fixed idea of what maths is.
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#26
I can see exactly what your teacher meant. I agree with it.

But I also see why people would think otherwise
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If you think that's actually true, you really haven't done much maths.

Certainly you aren't suggesting you can ignore the rules of calculus at will, are you?
#29
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"All art is quite useless."
Mathematics has useful, real world applications.



Hah, useless? Actually my friend, Art is one of the most useful things a human can have or experience. We use art to express ourselves and arouse our human emotions and this is beautiful for oneself.
If you aren't the artist but the one who consumes art, it's even as useful as being an artist, because one who consumes art is trying to find beauty, Art is beautiful, and as all beauty it seduces people. Art can motivate you to abandon any unjust rulers and inspire others to follow you with the ideals you received from the art. Maybe you don't see it, but art moves masses of people because of this. In fact living from art can make someone happy forever, and inspire happiness to other individuals.
I don't know how art is useless, seriously.
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#30
well i don't feel like going into detail about it but i just did like a 2000 word essay on how math formula's progeramed into computers with random numbers is art, IMO, its stupid but they have like entire museums dedicated to that crap
#31
Music is Mathematics. Each "note" is only such because of mathematics, and harmony is mathematical, and meter, and everything else too.

Math itself isn't anything, but doing math can be art. Just like paint isn't art until you paint with it.
#32
Quote by neidnarb11890
"All art is quite useless."
Mathematics has useful, real world applications.

That sounds kinda derogatory. I've got the impression sometimes that it's true - some art has little use (if any), but that's not because it's worthless, quite the contrary; it's an end in itself.
#33
I agree with those saying math is a tool.

It can be used to create art, but in of itself I don't view math as an art form.
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#34
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That sounds kinda derogatory. I've got the impression sometimes that it's true - some art has little use (if any), but that's not because it's worthless, quite the contrary; it's an end in itself.


Looks pretty useful to me. I like to use art to cross large bodies of water.
#35
I would say no, because there's always a correct answer.

More conventional arts - music, fine art, even history - are subjective.
#36
This is funny because any time you listen to an mp3, you're just listening to your computer crapping 1's and 0's out of a speaker.
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#37
i think math can be an art form.

think about it, all the formulas we know now through years of experimentation are just like songs people have written. math is just a way of arranging numbers (which are a just representations of different values of reality) just like how you arrange notes in a composition if you were to strictly adhere to the rules of theory.

people say math isn't art because it all follows the same formula, but what most people don't take into account is theoretical mathematics. throwing in new variables, new constructs, new ways to further divide and multiply numbers.

Math is all about determining a precise equation to accurately represent a value of reality, just like how musicians attempt to create a precise emotion through their music.

that's just how i see it though.
#38
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Math is all about determining a precise equation to accurately represent a value of reality, just like how musicians attempt to create a precise emotion through their music.


This is why I don't think math is an art.

In math, the answer on an equation will always be the same no matter who solves it.

A musician trying to express a feeling varies from musician to musician even when they're trying to express the same feeling.

Nothing is precise, unlike in math.
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#39
not math itself but how you put it to use. take music for example...
#40
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This is why I don't think math is an art.

In math, the answer on an equation will always be the same no matter who solves it.

A musician trying to express a feeling varies from musician to musician even when they're trying to express the same feeling.

Nothing is precise, unlike in math.

i agree, somewhat.

the answer may be the same, but the nuances are in how you get to that answer. someone would take an equation and think "what could i change so that the equation is different, but the answer is the same?"

it's just up to the mathematician to change it around and make it unique, just like musicians can either recycle old equations or put their own spin on it.
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