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OK, here is the deal and this has me really pissed off. Lately, my guitar lessons have turned into jam sessions and I am not learning anything new. So I told my guitar teacher that this will be my last lesson unless he teaches me new things. I've bought a Troy Stetina Metal Rhythm Volume 1 and The Troy Stetina Primer for Leads Volume 1 (teacher highly recommended this one, been slowly working out of both books for weeks). He asks "what are my goals", and I told him that I want to be able to play some Rock N Roll, and Heavy Metal (Mostly Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer) songs the whole way thru. He tells me I'M TOO OLD TO PLAY LEADS...I've been playing for 8 months and I think I'm making great progress, but am I really too old to play leads? I realize that I will never be as fast and Paul Gilbert or Yngwie, nor will I ever be able to shred like those guys, but surely there are some leads out there that cant be too hard for a 36 year old guy to learn/master? Well then Mr Teacher why the hell did I buy these books then? Why have I been wasting my 18 dollars for a half hour lesson if I am TOO OLD???
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#3
36...definitely not over the hill.....yet....lol
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Your teacher is an idiot.

How old are you anyway?


he said 36 i think.

by the way, you should leave your teacher NOW
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How old are you anyway?

"but surely there are some leads out there that cant be too hard for a 36 year old guy to learn/master?"

But yeah, that's pretty lame.
There are tons of guys older than 36 who play lead guitar.
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#6
Here ya go guys, judge for yourself...I've gotten EVEN better since this video was shot..Now I do ALOT of playing standing up...And I know that there are some mistakes on the songs and its out of time etc etc..but I was nervous performing for the camera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZpMqHJh9-A
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#7
Sorry i'm reading quickly because Im in college haha

Seriously, imo you can NEVER be too old
If you want to continue with a teacher, definetly get a new one
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#8
IMO you are never to old to learn leads. NEVER. You're 36 so you are not that old.

I would deff ditch that teacher if he is saying things like that and find one who is taking you down the path you want to go. Jamming as practice is not right. It's good for timming, but he should be showing you techniques or theory.

Keep at it and you can play leads. I was playing leads after 2 years...so you can still get leads, and if you practice enough you CAN be as fast as Gilbert...it just takes a lot of time and dedication.
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#9
Thanks guys, thats what I thought. I did find a new teacher and he is a young whipper snapper who teaches things RELEVANT to playing heavy metal. I could care less about hybrid picking or even sweep picking, but my former teacher is making it sound like I needed to be playing every day since I was 12 to play leads...I practice for at least an hour or more a day. I been slowly working out of those books and recently I started using a metronome. I am willing to be able to put whatever amount of time I need to to play my favorite songs the whole way thru (I realize that some of them are very hard)...thanks....
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Steve Vai's like 49. Satch is like 53... lol
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Steve Vai's like 49. Satch is like 53... lol


But they have been playing their entire life...I have not...lol
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OK, here is the deal and this has me really pissed off. Lately, my guitar lessons have turned into jam sessions and I am not learning anything new. So I told my guitar teacher that this will be my last lesson unless he teaches me new things. I've bought a Troy Stetina Metal Rhythm Volume 1 and The Troy Stetina Primer for Leads Volume 1 (teacher highly recommended this one, been slowly working out of both books for weeks). He asks "what are my goals", and I told him that I want to be able to play some Rock N Roll, and Heavy Metal (Mostly Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer) songs the whole way thru. He tells me I'M TOO OLD TO PLAY LEADS...I've been playing for 8 months and I think I'm making great progress, but am I really too old to play leads? I realize that I will never be as fast and Paul Gilbert or Yngwie, nor will I ever be able to shred like those guys, but surely there are some leads out there that cant be too hard for a 36 year old guy to learn/master? Well then Mr Teacher why the hell did I buy these books then? Why have I been wasting my 18 dollars for a half hour lesson if I am TOO OLD???
Sounds like its time to get a new teacher!

I'm 35, been playing for just over a year. My teacher is a couple of years older than me and is completely awesome! And my lead playing is a heck of a lot better than my rhythm playing - I still screw up strumming patterns (for some reason my hand always seems to want to do them backwards grrr) and chord changes, but I'd say my lead playing is passable for how long I've been playing. And a darn sight better than it would have been if I was me at 16 having been learning for the same time...if that sentence made any sense whatsoever lol

My advice would be to get yourself a new teacher who is willing and able to help you get where you want to be, start learning some theory if you haven't already, and start learning some simple lead lines.

And don't worry about speed - you can get plenty fast enough if you focus on playing everything cleanly and accurately with economy of motion. My teacher is scary fast, and I can already play (cleanly) faster than I thought I'd ever be able to when I started without ever focussing on speed.

Learn you minor pentatonic scale, start improvising with it and have a look at some simplish leads like ACDC's Shook Me All Night, or Metallica's Nothing Else Matters. Break them down into phrases to learn them and take them however slowly you need to play them accurately, and you'll naturally speed up as your hands get better coordinated If I can do anything to help (which will basically just be repeating what people have told me lol) just pm me

Edit: Calmed down enough to read the whole thread now Glad to see you got yourself a new teacher!
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#14
i am now aged 31...back then when i was 15 i got a korean strat copy...and i was so into nirvana...i was trying to learn guitar myself...and i failed...many years later and some months ago, i decided to buy a new guitar, a new practice amp to start all over agin.

here is my point, if we would spend our time looking for useless information on the internet, hanging around with nothing to do, trying to lay some girls (who are probably men) over MSN messenger, why not put our time into learning something we like? perhpas it is too late for us to be very very good players, but still learning to play guitar is still more worth the while then all the above senseless things that men do. It is just because i am getting old and i think time is precisou that i would put my time into learning guitar, and stop wasting time....
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#15
I didn't realize there was an age requirement for music. Hmmm....

I started playing when I was 21. That was 2 years ago. I remember a few guys early on talked to me as though I was going to be a guitar retard for the rest of my life since I didn't start playing at age 13. Screw them.

True, most of the very tip top guitar players on the planet started playing at very early ages, but most of them will admit that they never started developing any sort of technique until years later.

And a quick word of encouragement...for 7 months playing in that vid it's pretty decent. Just keep at it and you'll be good to go before you realize it!
#16
Thanks guys, you make me feel real good!!! I guess my former teacher mixed up guitar leads/soloing with Motocross!! I'm gonna keep on keepin on and learn as much as I can from the young whipper snapper...
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#17
Look, here's the deal. The truth is that younger people can learn muscle memory patterns quicker than older ones. That doesn't make those of us who are older (42 years young myself) incapable of learning lead, it just takes us longer. But we do have the benefit of having more patience than our younger kin.
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well, i think i see what your teacher meant. he didnt mean youre just too old. of course you can obviously play leads, i think what your teacher means is you will never be able to be technically proficient at a certain level. it all has to do with the way your muscles work. i dont remember exactly the technical term or anything, but my one friend who is very good at violin told me this when i inqured him about starting violin myself. he said if you ever want to be good at it, you have to start at the latest before 20 or 21, and of course he recommended i start immediately because im going to be 19 soon. but anyway the reason for him saying to start before those ages is because theres something that happens with your muscles at that age. this is the part i cant remember the technical term or whatever. your muscles begin to tighten in some way or another and if you hadnt made certain movements with them all your life they are basically impossible. an example my friend gave me was doing trills and such. if you dont start them at an early age, youll never be able to do them quickly and proficiently.

so what your teacher meant wasnt all bullshit, but if he really meant that youre just too old, hes full of shit. of course you can learn to play leads and stuff, but just like you said yourself, you wont be extremely proficient like a shredder or similar.

think of it this way tho, glenn tipton(judas priest) didnt start guitar until he was 21 i think. from a teachers/professional viewpoint thats about the latest you can start to play before you cant make those certain movements. he still plays leads and shit like crazy. you may not ever be able to do certain things like trills or make certain stretches etc because your muscles werent developed that way, but you could still learn to play as good as someone like glenn. its all a matter or practice.
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If your guitar has a pointed/sharp headstock, stab your teacher with it. He is an idiot and you would be doing the world a favor by speeding up natural selection.
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#21
I'm 59. I love learning new licks and solos. Better still I enjoy writing new licks for old songs. I can't play all the tricks some guys do. I never will. So what? I enjoy what I do and a few other people seem to appreciate it. Isn't that why we do it? That and all the groupies, drugs, sex, limelight and waking up feeling half dead.
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#22
U can achieve everything u want if ur willing to put the efford in it..

But yes,people of 'older' age are known to already have physical injuries regarding muscles so that could be a problem but still,metronome + patience + goals = enjoyment
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#24
Age is meaningless. The reason people who have been playing since they were kids are often good players isn't because they were young when they did it so much as they learned the fundamentals at a time in their lives when they probably had very little else to distract them (no job, spouse, kids, etc.) Wish I had been so lucky, lol. I started in my early 20's. It's never too late, your first teacher was just an idiot.
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#25
new teacher go.
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#26
man, forget that shit.
jimmy paige- old as hell.
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#29
I think his teacher was trying to say that you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Or something of the sort. Maybe he's right in that sense.

But whatever. You don't have to play overly fast and complicated leads...

Some megadeth stuff is actually pretty managable... like Tornado of Souls for example.
#30
Yeah, fire your teacher immediately! The guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. You're never to old to do anything given the time and effort and of course this would include playing lead guitar. Yeah some guys who have been playing longer than others might be more mature and seasoned players but they still play lead and age doesn't have anything to do with it. Dump the teach and teach yourself if necessary. Once you've got the basics down and put forth a lot of effort it's better than having a condescending instructor tell you that you CAN'T do something!

I'm 40 years old with a 28 year old instructor who flat out encourages me to play lead! OMG this teacher of yours is pissing ME off!!!!
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#31
I'm 62 and just learned Canon Rock but at a slower pace ( I have named my version "The Ballad of Canon Rock" ). Can't do the sweeps yet, but I know every note in them and practice just in case I learn the technique someday at which time I can plug them into the appropriate parts. I am also in the process of learning Hotel California. I can play the cords no problem and am about 30 seconds into the lead.....DUMP YOUR TEACHER!!
#32
TOO OLD TO LEARN LEADS?!?! How ridiculous! Your teacher is a fool. You can learn whatever the hell the want! My dad is 41 and he's still learning the guitar. He started at 39 and he can practically shred!!
#34
Get rid of the teacher. Now.

Nobody is too old to play leads. Your teacher is a complete plank and I'm surprised you haven't figured out this by now . Keep your chin up and get a new teacher!

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#35
All I can say is wow, thanks for your input and thx to the people who commented on my video!!
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#36
If you can still move you fingers, then you can play lead. I've been playing the guitar for over 4 years, but I still suck at lead, but I can rip your face off with rythem riffs. I'm just going to say, pratice pratice pratice, then pratice some more. After you pratice then pratice again. Pratice in your sleep, pratice while your in the shower, pratice when your driving. Just pratice.
#37
I think your only too old to play leads is when you're dead

but even then, I bet Jimi Hendrix and Randy Rhoads are in heaven learning new leads. so honestly, as long as you are able to play, then your not too old.
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#38
Probably too old to play leads when you're too old to have sex. So now that we live in the days of Cialis, Viagra, Levitra, Hormone Replacement Therapy, you really no longer have an excuse ;-)
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Dude, your half the reason I stuck with it for this long...Early on I got discouraged and watched some of your videos and I keep trying new things and mix it up a little bit. I'm starting to prefer playing standing up...
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