#1
So I just got a job, and am, therefore, already looking for new toys to spend my soon-to-have money on.

At the moment I play a Squier Strat (which I've had for about 5(?) years), and I was thinking of getting a new guitar. Cleans are the most important to me, and I was thinking of getting a hollowbody, but I've never played one before (I obviously would try them before ordering, however).

So I was looking around on MusiciansFriend and found some guitars, so I was wondering:

What does UG think of the Epiphone WildKat ($500), and the Epiphone Casino( $600)?

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated.

Also, if you have any other suggestions, they are very welcome.

Thank you.

-Tom_Servo
#2
Look at the Ibanez artcore series.


For the money,they're some of the best semi-hollow and hollow bodies I've ever had the jazzy pleasure of playing.I

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#3
Never played the ibanez but I hear good things about them. Id try a Gretsch Electromatic hollowbody. I quite like them, that or the Casino. Id also look at an Epiphone Sheraton.
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#4
Hey there, mate. I'm not as experienced as you are level wise, but I can offer some good advice hopefully. My guitar teacher is a hollowbody nut and I've played quite a few amazing mid-level in come guitars of that variety.

If you like clean chords/strumming and the such, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you like Jazz hopefully, or at least like the tone the great players get.

I really liked his Artcore AF75TDG(Same price as the wildcat) with roundwood strings(I think I said it wrong) it gives a great jazz sound but the bending with those strings can be difficult at times. The neck's really fast playing, probably the best neck in my opinion, but that's cause I'm a Ibanez nut

#5
Quote by MikeyMont
Hey there, mate. I'm not as experienced as you are level wise, but I can offer some good advice hopefully. My guitar teacher is a hollowbody nut and I've played quite a few amazing mid-level in come guitars of that variety.

If you like clean chords/strumming and the such, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you like Jazz hopefully, or at least like the tone the great players get.

I really liked his Artcore AF75TDG(Same price as the wildcat) with roundwood strings(I think I said it wrong) it gives a great jazz sound but the bending with those strings can be difficult at times. The neck's really fast playing, probably the best neck in my opinion, but that's cause I'm a Ibanez nut



Just to add to this,if you want a smaller bodied semi-hollow then you should check out this:

Artcore AS93

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#6
I have played the Ibanez AM73B (I think) in a music shop before (out of curiosity) and it was very comfortable and played quite nicely. I didn't plug it in though, so I can't tell you how it sounded. It was about $350 if I remember correctly...

Hope that helped a bit.
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#7
Thank you for the recommendations, I know I was looking at the Ibanez Artcore AS73 for a while (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-Artcore-AS73-Electric-Guitar?sku=519454#used), basically because I was obsessed with Streetlight Manifesto, and Tom used to play one.

And I haven't listened to Jazz, lately I've been listening to Indie stuff (if that really is a genre). Recent musical obsessions: Neutral Milk Hotel, Yo La Tengo, Pavement.
#8
Quote by Pr0gNut
Just to add to this,if you want a smaller bodied semi-hollow then you should check out this:

Artcore AS93


What are the differences between the AS73 and AS93? It's $400 vs. $550.


Also, What are the main differences and positives/negatives as far as Hollow Vs. Semi-Hollow (and I guess them vs. solid body) and P-90 Single Coils Vs. Humbuckers?

Thanks, for all your help guys
#9
Sure you can label bands Indie, it's kinda a umbrella grouping but it all works out. Yeah, a hollow body can provide that tone for you nicely. If you have a decent budge, I'd recommend a Artcore and a Tube Screamer or something similar(I'm a distoriton pedal newbie, one of you guys yell at me and correct me kay? ) Though, you wanna invest in a good amp first...what kinda amp did you say you play through again?

I'm assuming there's two differences of the pickups. Single coils usually provide a better classy clean tone, similar to Gilmour if you're into the Floyd (but they can get a nice bite ala Hendrix, Cobain, and such. ) Humbuckers are more bitey, in your face, balsy rock tone while providing a heavier clean tone.

Bodies, such as a hollow/semi-hollow/solid in my limtied experiance just provide a tad bit of a different tune difference. A hollowbody with electronics is usually like a acoustic guitar with a pickup used by folk groups, maybe gospel groups? Semi-hollow bodies are commonly used by blues guys, I guess since it's a mixture of solid and hollow, which can give a good clean tone while having the bite of early solid bodies.

Solid bodies are your full out rock machines, think Slash and such.

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#10
And your amp is what?
Fender American Special HSS Stratocaster
Ibanez 1987 Roadstar II Deluxe
Yamaha THR10X
Marshall JCM900 SL-X
Ibanez WD-7 Weeping Demon Wah
TC Electronic Polytune
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#11
Quote by MikeyMont
If you have a decent budge, I'd recommend a Artcore and a Tube Screamer or something similar(I'm a distoriton pedal newbie, one of you guys yell at me and correct me kay? ) Though, you wanna invest in a good amp first...what kinda amp did you say you play through again?


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#12
Quote by Tom_Servo
What are the differences between the AS73 and AS93? It's $400 vs. $550.


Also, What are the main differences and positives/negatives as far as Hollow Vs. Semi-Hollow (and I guess them vs. solid body) and P-90 Single Coils Vs. Humbuckers?

Thanks, for all your help guys


The AS 93 has upgraded aesthetic features like fancy inlays and a flame maple veneer and transparent finish and probably has better build quality and QC.

I'll let someone else explains the virtues of solid body vs semi and full hollow since I'm a 7 string guy and haven't had enough time on hollows to fully know their quirks.

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#13
Ah alright, refresh btw, I edited a decent answer in for your other questions.

I'll let someone handle your amp situation, I'm not too intelligent with them.
#14
Similarly, is the difference between the Artcore AF75 ($400) and AF75TDG ($500) just cosmetic differences? Because I think I like the Sunburst AF75 better than the Ivory AF75TDG anyway.
#16
I am fortunate enough to have a Casino and a Gretsch Electromatic.

Where to start. Well, In general I prefer single coils to humbuckers but I think the benefits are much more notable with hollowbodies. The hollowbody gives you the fullness of tone and strong enough low end even with single coils which have the benefit of giving great clarity, sharpness and sparkle to your tone. Humbuckers on hollowbodies (of a reasonable price range) sound quite muddy to me, while with single coils I really feel like I can hear every note brilliantly. Especially those P90s on the Casino.

With hollowbodies > semi-hollows you'll get a touch less sustain and more feedback, but the trade-off is that you get a much richer sound and the feedback issues can be remedied by standing in an appropriate position.

In terms of construction the Epi Casino is fantastic. Mine is an 03 model and it is still in superb shape (even though it was owned by a New York Doll before and I don't know what he did to it, as in touring, live playing etc). The electronics are all very sound, bridge keeps the strings in tune and the body is not too thick.

The Gretsch has a much deeper body, but feels and sounds fantastic, unplugged and not. The bridge is a bit more fussy (it's floating) but provided you know how to check for intonation then it's not a problem. Again the rest of the electronics are good and it stays in tune well.

As an all-round guitar I would say that the Epi Casino is better than the Gretsch. It has a thinner body, is more sturdily constructed and the sound is a bit brighter and thus will fit a wider range of styles. If we're looking at rhythm work, chords, and tone the Gretsch is superb. Gretsch guitars are often favoured by country guitarists but I think the clarity it offers when playing rhythm but also the richness and earthy sound is perfect for blues/arpeggio work and so on means it's a great buy. Both are great guitars and I love playing them. The Gretsch feels like my 'baby' a bit to be honest while i'm much happier bringing the Casino to university and getting stuck in. This is also symptomatic of the fact that the Gretsch does seem a bit more fragile; it's definitely not a rough and tumble guitar.

I've not played any Ibanez artcores. But in terms of sound, construction, tone and playability you can really trust Casinos and these Gretsches. You can also be safe in the knowledge that you'd be buying into brands that have been trusted for years in producing top-quality hollowbody guitars.

Hope that helps, even if a lot of it is subjective.
#17
the artcores are pretty good, especially the ones that get up in the $500 range. the casinos are good as well, i think i liked them a little better. unfortunatly i couldnt find the gretsch electromatics when i was trying guitars, though i was very interested in them. supposed to be fantastic sounding and playing guitars, try one if you can. i think they are a bit over the $600 that could be your upper limit, but you didnt really give a price range, so...

i ended up with a michael kelly deuce phoenix when i went for a semi-hollowbody. i love it, its a great guitar. MK makes a few others that are semi-hollow, but unfortunatly most shops dont stock them. if you can find one to try it out, they make fantastic guitars. velvet II and vibe are a couple of the other hollow models, think there is one more though.
#18
I'am breaking out my AF75 as we speak I've had it for 10 months now and love it (looks like the White Falcon tremelo and all) It stays in tune well action is great seems to sound best through a nice tube amp real warm and mellow but can kick some solid a** when it needs too!
#20
Oh yea also with a hollowbody you dont always have to use an amp (late nite play and the like) mine sounds good as is.
#21
I'm glad to see another SLM fan on here. The artcore series are amazing guitars. I've played a bunch in shops and my dad used to own an amazing AF105.

I haven't tried the Casino or the WildKat, but the Sheraton and the dot aren't bad choices (although I'd pick the AS over the dot, maybe not the sheraton)

I own an electromatic gretsch and it is ****ing amazing. I love playing streetlight on it. Recently I've been playing the big sleep, a better place a better time, supernothing, and Mrs. Butterworth's Indestructible Bomb Shelter (last two are gimp songs) and tone-wise it handles all of the parts brilliantly.

Pretty wide range of tones too, I also reccomend it if you're going to be playing any CAKE. It's very close to what Xan McCurdy uses only cheaper.

On the humbucker vs. single coil debate:
Hollowbodies tend to feed back more than solidbodies, and single coils tend to feed back more than humbuckers. That's why most people like humbuckers on their hollow bodies. You can't just typecast the tone of a humbucker though. The pickups in the electromatics are just as bright and clear as single coils.

My vote goes out to the gretsch electromatic, but I'd also recommend the Ibanez Artcore series or the Epiphone Sheraton.
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