#1
So this is a bit of the Technical Difficulties solo. I've been playing it like this:

e |------------10----------------------10----------------------10-| 
b |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
G |---11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----| 
D |------------------------12----------------------12-------------| 
A |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
E |---------------------------------------------------------------|
       d  u  d  u  d  u  d  u  d  u  d  u  d  u  d  u  d  u  d  u


Which is alright but the inside picking between the D and G strings is hard to play. I've also tried hammering on / pulling off at 11-12 and 12-11, respectively, so that everything is outside picking, but then the timing of the picking get a little wierd.

I'm wondering if anyone knows any other good ways to play this lick, or how Paul himself plays it. Any suggestions are appreciated! Thanks!
#2
I'm not familiar with this lick, but if you simply cannot physically play this riff after practicing it, perhaps try moving a few of the notes to different places on the neck. The 12th fret on the D string is a D note, and the 15th fret B string is a D note as well. Perhaps that will help. My advice would be to simply practice the lick though. You'll get it.
#3
Quote by subzero364
So this is a bit of the Technical Difficulties solo. I've been playing it like this:

e |------------10----------------------10----------------------10-| 
b |---------------------------------------------------------------|
G |---11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----|
D |------------------------12----------------------12-------------|
A |---------------------------------------------------------------|
E |---------------------------------------------------------------|
d u d u d u d u d u d u d u d u d u d u


Which is alright but the inside picking between the D and G strings is hard to play. I've also tried hammering on / pulling off at 11-12 and 12-11, respectively, so that everything is outside picking, but then the timing of the picking get a little wierd.

I'm wondering if anyone knows any other good ways to play this lick, or how Paul himself plays it. Any suggestions are appreciated! Thanks!


Seeing as how it's Paul Gilbert I'd put money on it being mostly a legato lick, using outside picking as much as possible.
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#5
If you want to pick each note, though, I'd recommend this:

e |------------10----------------------10----------------------10-| 
b |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
G |---11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----| 
D |------------------------12----------------------12-------------| 
A |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
E |---------------------------------------------------------------|
       d  u  d  d  u  d  u  u  d  u  d  d  u  d  u  u  d  u  d  d
#6
I find the above version would be terribly awkward. If it is all picked, I feel it would be much easier to use alternate picking.
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#8
Quote by yearzero
Doesn't Paul Gilbert use strict alternate picking?


Not necessarily when he string skips.

EDIT: Attached .txt file shows you how I think PG would pick this, based on lessons of his that I have seen.
Attachments:
pglick.txt
Last edited by m1tch4444 at Nov 25, 2009,
#9
"Inside picking"? Now that's a proper "Gilberism"

If you want to pick it, the best way would be alternate picked, but I even think it sounds better played legato.

If you have trouble with "inside picking", you might be digging the pick in to the strings a bit too much. Try a lighter touch.
#10
Ok so this is the way Im playing it now, letago and no inside picking (which I thought was a proper term, but I guess its a Gilbert thing?):

e |------------10----------------------10----------------------10-| 
b |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
G |---11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----| 
D |------------------------12----------------------12-------------| 
A |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
E |---------------------------------------------------------------|
       d        u  d           d        u  d          d         u


My legato is pretty sketch though, I always do The pull offs / hammer ons faster than the other notes and it just sounds inconsistent, but Ill work on it.
#11
Quote by subzero364
Ok so this is the way Im playing it now, letago and no inside picking (which I thought was a proper term, but I guess its a Gilbert thing?):

e |------------10----------------------10----------------------10-| 
b |---------------------------------------------------------------|
G |---11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----|
D |------------------------12----------------------12-------------|
A |---------------------------------------------------------------|
E |---------------------------------------------------------------|
d u d d u d d u


My legato is pretty sketch though, I always do The pull offs / hammer ons faster than the other notes and it just sounds inconsistent, but Ill work on it.


Missing a couple of pick strokes on your notation. 1st 12 on the D string...

I don't subscribe to Gilbert's approach though he has mastered it and can play beautifully and fluidly. I believe in strict economy picking (efficiency) where the stroke is extended until changing direction is required. This is more in line with hard core sweepers who try to use the least motion possible to play any line.
Given this approach I would play it as follows:

e |------------10----------------------10----------------------10-| 
b |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
G |---11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----14-12-11----11-12-14----| 
D |------------------------12----------------------12-------------| 
A |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
E |---------------------------------------------------------------|
       d        d  u        d  d        d  u       d  d        d
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Last edited by spkay at Nov 25, 2009,
#12

e |------------10----------------------10----------------------10-| 
b |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
G |---11h12h14----14p12p11----11h12h14----14p12p11----11h12h14----| 
D |------------------------12----------------------12-------------| 
A |---------------------------------------------------------------| 
E |---------------------------------------------------------------|
       u        u  d        d  u       u  d        d  u        u  


That's how gilbert would play that type of lick, i've seen him demonstrate it countless times.

Edit: It is actually a very good and effective way of picking it, once you get it down.

Edit2:
Practice on something like this first though.


|-------5---------|
|-5-6-8---8-6-5---|
|---------------7-|
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Last edited by MapOfYourHead at Nov 25, 2009,
#13
Quote by spkay
Missing a couple of pick strokes on your notation. 1st 12 on the D string...



Naw Im not missing anything, the 12 on the D string is hammered on, not picked. You can hammer on "from nowhere" easy!

EDIT: Map thanks for the practice lick, its the same except without the stretch so its been helpful to get the picking down and the notes sounding with the same volume. I tend to pick hard on the down/up and it really stands out, its been hard to get it sounding good.

EDIT: spkay thanks but your economy way seems unnecessarily difficult, maybe its easier that way for people who play eco all the time, but for me it seems overly complicated
Last edited by subzero364 at Nov 25, 2009,
#14
I can almost certainly say that Paul would play that with legato. The legato-stringskip licks are somewhat of a trademark of his.

A favourite of mine with a similar pattern:

e |----7--------------------------------7---| 
b |------------------------------------------| 
G |--------12p-9p-7------7h-9h-12-----------| 
D |------------------------------------------| 
A |-------------------10--------------------| 
E |------------------------------------------|