#1
Ok so there is a lot of hate centerd around metalcore groups within the metal society, namely around bands like Suicide Silence and Bring me the Horizon, now before you read anything else read this carefully, i do not like those bands music at all and never have, but i do love death metal, my fave band being Deicide, now, what is it, that makes people respect and love bands like Deicide over metalcore groups like SS and BMTH? why do so many metalheads hate metal core groups and groups like that?
this is a question that has plagued my mind for awhile and i come to the metalheads of the pit now for a serious awnser

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#4
Because the whole metal genre is comprised of angsty brats who don't bathe.

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#7
Because elitist metalheads don't like change, although they'll quite happily complain when a band doesn't do something new.

Elitist metalheads are very confused young people. I think it's the onset of puberty.

In the end, there's nothing wrong with -core bands. If you like them, great. If you don't like them, great. Some people see -core genres as a bastardisation of metal, but seem to forget that metal is a bastardisation of blues and rock n' roll.
#8
it's because a lot of metalcore bands are centered around fashion and their image just as much as they are centered around music itself. such as avenged sevenfold, who have contracts with diesel clothing. also, they spend too long on their hair to try and make 13 year old girls buy their albums, instead of using that time to practice shredding so that real metal fans will buy their albums. also because it's the trendy thing today, just like nu metal was 10 years ago, and hair metal was 10 years before that. and then there's the whiny bull shit cliches about dying roses and all this blah blah blah my girlfriend left me, with bands like bullet and killswitch. and then there's the emoish singing.
#9
A cynical response would be as follows: As far as I can discern, this type of metal elitism exists because people want metal to remain more of a niche/elitist genre. 'Core seems to have popularized heavy music, to the point where average people associate angsty teen kids with "death metal" and "black metal", although of course they just listen to 'core. Most elitists just don't wanna be associated with that, as they think it diminishes their own style of music, at least superficially, to "just something the kids do".

Personally, I don't like it because of how relatively uninspired it is. Fun for a little while, yeah, but gets boring pretty quickly. Also a little bit of the above; I can't stand a lot of those sort of people. Low lives my age who think they're all that because of how br00tz their music is. I hate those people for the most part, although I think it is a bit immature to hate the music for that reason.
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#10
its because we metal fans are actually the biggest bunch of bitches who will condemn a band simply for the way their hair looks. i actually got into metalcore before i discovered death metal so i have experienced mixed views on both. when it comes down to it people will never stop having opinions and trying force them on others. although a lot of people hate on bmth because olly sykes is a massive douchebag
#11
I quite like metalcore, I just don't like BMTH cuz they suck but yet everyone loves them for some reason
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#12
I'm tolerant of metalcore and I listen to DM (Cannibal Corpse, Behemoth, Nile ETC)

Just not that much because most metalcore bands sound so similar.

The way I got to DM was through metalcore, so I have some respect for it.

But now, DM is just superior IMO.
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#13
I believe it's because '-core' is associated with 'scene' and the cross-dressing that comes with it.
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Because elitist metalheads don't like change, although they'll quite happily complain when a band doesn't do something new.

Elitist metalheads are very confused young people. I think it's the onset of puberty.

In the end, there's nothing wrong with -core bands. If you like them, great. If you don't like them, great. Some people see -core genres as a bastardization of metal, but seem to forget that metal is a bastardization of blues and rock n' roll.


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I believe it's because '-core' is associated with 'scene' and the cross-dressing that comes with it.


SO true. I hate that tight pants crap.
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#17
It all depends on your reference to -core bands. It seems today that you can flick through a dictionary, put your finger on a word and stick it in front of -core and you have yourself a new genre. The first core genre really was hardcore...because it makes sense really. Metalcore was originally, if you go back to the actual roots of it, not just when it became mainstream, a hybrid of hardcore punk and metal, i.e. metalcore. And when it was simply that..it was good. Someone like Lamb of God would really fit into that genre, but now I hate labelling them (admittedly I hate labelling in the first place...so what am i doing here?) under that category because of bands like BMTH and SS and TDWP...and bands like that which are all about image and angry pre-pubescent messages for kids to relate to.
As for death metal, Im not a massive fan, but I will admit that if you do actually listen to it there is a very musical element to it, under the wall of random noise that most people only seem to hear. It is a very technical and skilled level of metal, and all these wannabe death-core bands seem to me like just a few kids that want to be accepted into the extreme metal genre without really studying it, and feel that if they just bash away and detuned drums, and dischordant chromatics on guitars and bass, while high pitch screaming about lost lovers all adds up to death metal. And that is the epitome of poser, and posers are the enemies of the music world; especially metal.
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Wow you're a dickhead.

Also, 90% of BMTH fans I know are ******s/scene kids or fan-girls who have a micro-orgasm every time you say Ollie Sykes.
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It all depends on your reference to -core bands. It seems today that you can flick through a dictionary, put your finger on a word and stick it in front of -core and you have yourself a new genre. The first core genre really was hardcore...because it makes sense really. Metalcore was originally, if you go back to the actual roots of it, not just when it became mainstream, a hybrid of hardcore punk and metal, i.e. metalcore. And when it was simply that..it was good. Someone like Lamb of God would really fit into that genre, but now I hate labelling them (admittedly I hate labelling in the first place...so what am i doing here?) under that category because of bands like BMTH and SS and TDWP...and bands like that which are all about image and angry pre-pubescent messages for kids to relate to.
As for death metal, Im not a massive fan, but I will admit that if you do actually listen to it there is a very musical element to it, under the wall of random noise that most people only seem to hear. It is a very technical and skilled level of metal, and all these wannabe death-core bands seem to me like just a few kids that want to be accepted into the extreme metal genre without really studying it, and feel that if they just bash away and detuned drums, and dischordant chromatics on guitars and bass, while high pitch screaming about lost lovers all adds up to death metal. And that is the epitome of poser, and posers are the enemies of the music world; especially metal.


+1

Don't leave out Deathcore, no offense, just not my cup of tea.
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#20
i thought nirvana=angsty teen troubles. I would probably lean more towards Death metal than any of the -core genres and as for why metal-heads don't like -core bands its already been said they are more about an image than being a greasy dirty asshole who can shred like a maniac.
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#21
Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated.

And for once there is actually some really good awnsers in response to one of my questions
#22
I'll tell you why:


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But I will admit a good lot of bands aren't like that, and some bands should be reviewed individually. But it is sort of because the genre has become a cesspool of generics, sort of the same as the current brutal death metal scene, and it really seems like every band is trying to copy the first few dc bands. The fact that a good lot of them are little whiny bitches doesn't help either.