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#1
Sort of a metal version of the real book in jazz, what metal tunes would you put in there?

Basically if you were to compose a book of metal tunes that any metal player should know, what would they be?

Think of it as a metal real book
#3
holy shit thats an awesome idea!!!

would you have to categorise them?

first i'd put all the early stuff and the legends f.e. iron maiden judas priest,sabbath etc.
then thrash bands like sadus,kreator,exodus,megadeth, (early) metallica, evile, sodom etc
then melodic death and death metal bands like cannibal corpse, early amoral, be'lakor, daath children of bodom , KALMAH, Insomnium, zonaria,distorted,gojira,dismember dying fetus,hypocrisy,in flames,perishing mankind,orpheus,obtenebris,skyfire,serpent,vader,sepultura,the absence,unearth,welicoruss,septic flesh,rotting christ, abysmal dawn,abysmal torment, burnt by sun, CARCASS ( i would but Corporeal jigsore quandary twice,cos its so ****ing amazing!!!) etc..

black metal,burzum,1349,samael,cthonic,darkthrone,immortal,gorgoroth,zyklon-B, limbonic art,MAYHEM,emperor, satyricon, melechesh , aurora black....


it never ends!!!!!!!!!
#4
Very first page, it would say "In the beginning..." and have a Black Sabbath song. That said, Led Zep and Deep Purple should probs also be included in an "early days" section.
#5
these guys have got the right idea do it in order of creation, maybe even a section on the heavier blues at the beggining because thats where metal started and then:
1.traditional/doom (black sabbath, Led Zeppelin)
2.Thrash/Death (metallica, Death)
3.Black/ Melo-death/ Sludge (Immortal, Dark Tranquility, Melvins)
4.post./ alternative/ nu-metal (Isis, Tool, Slipknot)
etc. (or something like that)
#7
Nice one guy totally forget gigantic chunks of genres like; power metal, folk metal, symphonic metal, industrial, and a few other I can't be arsed to list.
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#8
i was using an example and summarising. im not going to waste my time putting in every subgenre of metal... that would take days.
#9
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1.traditional/doom (black sabbath, Led Zeppelin)

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the idea is not completely bad, but based on this thread, I wouldn't let any of you even touch it
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#10
imo its alot harder to do this for heavy metal because there isnt really any harmonic changes that can just be stuck in on a lead sheet

lmao at this sub genre bullshit. i dont think its appropriate to include 'heavy' blues with this as even the so called bluesy metal bands are a far stretch away from being really blues
#11
It'd be harder to put down due to a lack of "simplistic" information. Its not just melody + chords. One advantageous thing it would do is if a group of metal guys wanted to get together and play something, you would'nt have the complication of "Do you know this tune?" "Don't know that" etc.
#12
well metal makes more use of tab, whereas tab is generally shunned in the jazz world

i dont know, this site seems fine enough

true, theres no improvised parts and theres no changes so youd have to put it all down
#13
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I posted this list in another thread, but I feel like it should go here as well since more people are likely to see it. If you're looking for something to listen to and aren't too familiar with metal this list is a great place to start.

'87:

Sarcófago - INRI
Massacra - Legion Of Torture
Nocturnus - Nocturnus
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Napalm Death - Scum

'88:
Rigor Mortis (US) - Rigor Mortis
Pestilence - Malleus Maleficarum
Incubus (US) - Serpent Temptation
Death - Leprosy
Nihilist - Premature Autopsy

'89:

Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
Dead Horse - Horsecore: An Unrelated Story That's Time Consuming
Obituary - Slowly We Rot
Rigor Mortis (US) - Freaks
Repulsion - Horrifed
Autopsy - Severed Survival
Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness
Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
Dr. Shrinker - Wedding The Grotesque
Nihilist - Only Shreds Remain
Terrorizer - World Downfall
Morgoth - Resurrection Absurd

'90:

Incubus (US) - Beyond The Unknown
Carnage - Dark Recollections
Disharmonic Orchestra - Expositionsprophylaxe
Massacra - Final Holocaust
Cadaver - Hallucinating Anxiety
Tiamat - Sumerian Cry
Baphomet - Inheritors Of The Dead
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Deicide - Deicide
Master - Master
Atheist - Piece Of Time
Merciless - The Awakening
Death - Spiritual Healing
Benediction - Subconscious Terror
Nocturnus - The Key
Cancer - To The Gory End
Impetigo - Ultimo Mondo Cannibale

'91:

Blasphereion - Rest In Peace
Megaslaughter - Calls From The Beyond
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
Death - Human
Demigod - Unholy Domain
Master - On The Seventh Day God Created... Master
Revenant - Prophecies Of A Dying World
Unleashed - Where No Life Dwells
Gorguts - Considered Dead
Entombed - Clandestine
Death Strike - ****in' Death
Edge Of Sanity - Nothing But Death Remains
Carcass - Necroticism - Descanting The Insalubrious
Therion - Of Darkness...
Suffocation - Effigy Of The Forgotten
Benediction - The Grand Leveller
Pungent Stench - Been Caught Buttering
Morbid Angel - Blessed Are The Sick
Broken Hope - Swamped In Gore
Corpus Rottus - Rituals Of Silence
Dismember - Like An Ever Flowing Stream
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Asphyx - The Rack
Immolation - Dawn Of Possession
Authorize - The Source Of Dominion
Massacre - From Beyond
Massacra - Enjoy The Violence
Ripping Corpse - Dreaming With The Dead
Grave - Into The Grave
Demilich - The Four Instructive Tales ...Of Decomposition
Suffocation - Human Waste
Lemming Project - Extinction
Cancer - Death Shall Rise
Immortalis - Indicium De Mortuis
Gorefest - Mindloss
Cartilage - In Godly Flesh
Pestilence - Testimony Of The Ancients

'92:

Incubator - McGillroy The Housefly
Morpheus Descends - Ritual Of Infinity
Mordicus - Three Way Dissection
Incantation - Onward To Golgotha
Seance - Fornever Laid To Rest
Baphomet - The Dead Shall Inherit
Cianide - The Dying Truth
Mortuary - Blackened Images
Atrocity - Todessehnsucht
Demilich - The Echo
Torchure - Beyond The Veil
Rippikoulu - Mutaation Aiheuttama Sisäinen Mätäneminen
Altar/Cartilage - Split
Disharmonic Orchestra - Not To Be Undimensional Conscious
Edge Of Sanity - Unorthodox
Epitaph - Seeming Salvation
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum
Asphyx - Crush The Cenotaph
Adramelech - Grip Of Darkness
Cenotaph (Mex) - The Gloomy Reflections Of Our Hidden Sorrows
Lemming Project - Hate And Despise
Torturer - Oppressed By The Force
Cadaver - ...In Pains
Solstice - Solstice
Eisenvater - I
Unleashed - Shadows In The Deep
Grave - You'll Never See
Necrosanct - Incarnate
Transgressor - Ether For Scapegoat
Monstrosity - Imperial Doom
Impetigo - Horror Of The Zombies
Necrophiliac - Chaopula - Citadel Of Mirrors
Sinister - Cross The Styx
Amorphis - The Karelian Isthmus
Demigod - Slumber Of Sullen Eyes
Vital Remains - Let Us Pray
Deicide - Legion
Disastrous Murmur - Rhapsodies In Red
Miasma - Changes
Depravity - Remasquerade
Malevolent Creation - Retribution
Fleshcrawl - Descend Into The Absurd
Pathologist - Putrefactive And Cadaverous Odes About Necroticism
Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
Merciless - The Treasures Within
Phlebotomized - In Search Of Tranquility
Totten Korps - Our Almighty Lords
Asphyx - Last One On Earth
Infester - Darkness Unveiled
Liers In Wait - Spiritually Uncontrolled Art
Adramelech - Spring Of Recovery

'93:

Brutality - Screams Of Anguish
Mordicus - Dances From Left
Utumno - Across The Horizon
Rottrevore - Iniquitous
Wombbath - Internal Caustic Torments
Disincarnate - Dreams Of The Carrion Kind
Demilich - Nespithe
Depravity - Silence Of The Centuries
Necrophobic - The Nocturnal Silence
Torchure - The Essence
God Macabre - The Winterlong
Depravity - Phantasmagoria
Benediction - Transcend The Rubicon
Broken Hope - The Bowels Of Repugnance
Ceremony - Tyranny From Above
Seance - Saltrubbed Eyes
Supuration - The Cube
Pestilence - Spheres
Misery - A Necessary Evil
Gorguts - The Erosion Of Sanity
Kataklysm - The Mystical Gate Of Reincarnation
Phlebotomized - Preach Eternal Gospels
Cancer - The Sins Of Mankind
Carbonized - Disharmonization
Grave - ..And Here I Die… Satisfied
Amorphis - Privilege Of Evil
Cynic - Focus - Remastered
Electrocution - Inside The Unreal
Unleashed - Across The Open Sea
Death - Individual Thought Patterns
Rippikoulu - Musta Seremonia
Sadist - Above The Light
Resurrection - Embalmed Existence
Suffocation - Breeding The Spawn
Morbid Angel - Covenant
Atheist - Elements

'94:

Morpheus Descends - Chronicals Of The Shadowed Ones
Brutality - When The Sky Turns Black
Cianide - A Descent Into Hell
Phlebotomized - Immense, Intense, Suspense
Banished - Deliver Me Unto Pain
Fleshcrawl - Impurity
Gutted (US) - Bleed For Us To Live
Incantation - Mortal Throne Of Nazarene
Pavor - A Pale Debilitating Autumn
Brutal Truth - Need To Control
The Chasm - Procreation of the Inner Temple
Oppressor - Solstice Of Oppression
Uncanny - Splenium For Nyktophobia
Cenotaph (Mex) - Riding Our Black Oceans
Abramelin - Transgression From Acheron
Hetsheads - We Hail The Possessed
Infester - To The Depths... In Degradation

'95:

The Chasm - From The Lost Years...
Sepsism - Severe Carnal Butchery
Suffocation - Pierced From Within
Agony - Apocalyptic Dawning
Solstice - Pray
Vital Remains - Into Cold Darkness
Adramelech - The Fall
Incantation - Upon The Throne Of Apocalypse


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#14
You'd probably need a separate book for each sub-genre.

i.e. early metal - sabbath, zeppelin, deep purple, etc.
thrash - slayer/metallica/megadeth/testament, etc.
death metal - suffocation, cannibal corpse, death, etc.
...I like metal.
#15
I wouldn't make the book to begin with.


Having a book of Jazz standards is different. Most jazz is based around freeform improvisation, and taking the music to new forms and heights. It's just how the genre works. Someone writes something, and that piece is free to be shaped, formed, and changed by someone else. It's how the genre grows.

Metal, though, is very concrete. Metal fans and musicians alike try to break boundaries as much as possble. They're always striving to one-up the past in some way, and most fans will discriminate against the bands that try and copy the same sound too much.

Metal fans are too diverse to try and have any one publication to try and encapsulate any kind of "standards". I don't feel that I need to know how to play Slayer, Gorgoroth, Death, Mayhem, Root, Satyricon, etc. to be considered a "true metal player". The genre has grown to such a level that trying to have that one "true resource" would be ludicrous.
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#16
Sort of like the Child Ballads of Folk Music?

I dont think it could be done for metal.
there's too much of it.
thats too well documented.
What with recordings on CD's and Tabs and stuff.

i dont think an essential list could be done either.
as I would argue it is far too subjective.
#18
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Right...


the idea is not completely bad, but based on this thread, I wouldn't let any of you even touch it

This.
Jesus christ the answers here are terrible.
#20
anyways half the metal world cant read notation anyway, whats the point? tabs are fine on this site
#22
Quote by Magero
No one mentioned anything about it NOT being a tab book....


yeah they did, the title is about a real book

real book dont have tab

'Sort of a metal version of the real book in jazz'
#23
Having it in standard notation was not the point he was trying to get at in any way, shape, or form.
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#24
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Having it in standard notation was not the point he was trying to get at in any way, shape, or form.


well why would he say a metal real book then? i assumed if he was after tabs it would be called a tab book.
#25
Its open to negotiation. Tabs are the norm for metal tunes, so, that's probably what you'd go with.
#26
then its a tab book, not a real book. when you said a 'metal' real book, i assumed just fake sheets with metal tunes
#28
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HEY
WANNA BE MORE PEDANTIC
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE SWELL


although it may seem pedantic to u, a real book and a tab book are VASTLY different.

have you actually read a real book before?
#29
I could ask you the same question, judging by your spelling and grammar....

Either way. You're the one picking up on one word. It's pretty much common sense that a book of metal songs would be in tab form, considering that's how the other 95,000 books published for metal songs are done.
#30
that wasnt funny at all

no. if you say a book of metal songs, then its safe to assume tab. but if you say a metal REAL BOOK, it implies notation, because thats what a real book is about. in the same way, its pretty much common sense to assume a real book will be in notation.

are the other 95,000 books real books? no? they are tablature books.

tab book, yes. real book, not really possible because they are for improvised solos
#31
Boo-hoo. I've never seen a tab book that didn't have the notation included. And I don't know why you'd be wasting your time arguing THAT point, when there's 40,000 terrible posts in this thread suggesting idiotic songs to include in a genre half of these people clearly know nothing about.
#32
Quote by Magero
Boo-hoo. I've never seen a tab book that didn't have the notation included. And I don't know why you'd be wasting your time arguing THAT point, when there's 40,000 terrible posts in this thread suggesting idiotic songs to include in a genre half of these people clearly know nothing about.


its not just about the notation. fake sheets DONT include solos. its just the bare essentials of the song, such as the harmony and the head.

how does that work for metal? i have no idea. metal songs dont have a clear harmony. metal songs (mostly) dont have a head. metal songs dont have improvised soloing. metal songs also dont play the changes, so its really of no use anyway leaving out the solos.

this is what a fake sheet is (a real book is a collection of fake sheets.) saying a real book gives a very, very different vibe than simply saying 'book of tabs and notation.'

anyways, theres no discussion. all of Sad Wings of Destiny would be the first pages of this tab book without a doubt.
#33
And he already clarified his mistake.
Quote by jesse music
Its open to negotiation. Tabs are the norm for metal tunes, so, that's probably what you'd go with.

Simple.

I think it's pretty obvious that tab would be the ideal format anyway. The use of "real book" would just be a slip of the finger to try and sound more important.
#34
probably, although he said its open to interpretation

im sure you would get riled up if someone labelled your favourite band an incorrect genre, its the same here. wrong terminology can cause confusion, and it has done in this thread.

i was looking forward to someone trying to make a real book but ill have to do without
#37
It would go:

Hard Rock/Proto-Metal(Zeppelin,Purple,Blue Cheer)
Heavy Metal/Early Doom(Priest,Scorpions,Anvil,Sabbath,St.Vitus,Witch Finder)
NWOBHM(Maiden,Saxon,Angel Witch)
Early Black Metal(Venom,Bathory,Hellhammer)
Thrash Metal(Metallica,Slayer,Kreator)
Doom(Candlemass,Solitude Aeturnus,Cathedral)
Crossover thrash-Metalcore Chp1-(Hirax,Suicidal Tendencies)
Power Metal(Manowar,Helloween,Gamma Ray)
early Death Metal(Death,Possesed,Fleshcrawl)
Grindcore-Metalcore Chp2-(Napalm Death,Brutal Truth)
Death Metal-(Deicide,Cannibal Corpse,Dismember,Entombed)
Black Metal-(Mayhem,Emperor,Marduk)
Death/Doom-(Amorphis,Autopsy,Swallow the Sun)
Melodic Death Metal-(In Flames,Insomnium,Carcass)
Folk Metal-(Skyclad,Tyr,Korplikaani)
Groove metal-(Pantera,Machine Head)
Funeral Doom-(Thergothon,Evoken,Funeral)
Gothic Metal-(My Dying Bride,Anathema,Tiamat)
Progressive Metal-(Dream Theater,Fates Warning,Pagans Mind)
Sludge- metalcore Chp3-(Isis,Crowbar,Acid Bath)
#38
My Emperor book is a mix of tab and sheet music. Your argument solved.

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#40
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but if you say a metal REAL BOOK, it implies notation, because thats what a real book is about. in the same way, its pretty much common sense to assume



Actually, I think that if we were talking about a 'real book', it would probably be something like this.

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