#1
Well first, I am LOVING my JH200 over my BC Rich. So, I am deciding to change the pups on whatever one I prefer more (the BC Rich has got a very wide neck, and I am loving my ESP super thin neck) when I get the BC Rich fixed.

Ok, so onto the pickups. The BC Rich has got an unusually good neck pickup but not the bridge, so I wanna change out the bridge pup on that, or the JH200 BOTH.

I am playing, no other one way of saying, In Flames, At The Gates kind of tone.

I am thinking the DiMarzio X2N, I am liking that but I have finally found a place thats reliable that has a bunch of them, but which one should I match?
Or the Seymour Duncan, Invader/Distortion and obviously matched with the SH1.

What is best for me?
Last edited by Banana Wedgie at Dec 4, 2009,
#4
EMG`s :P

but i`m sure you knew i was gonna say that.

i`d go active... EMG`s/blackouts. but i`ve heard the X2N is a wicked metal pickup i`m pretty sure chuck from DEATH used them in his BCR Stealth, i think BC Rich uses them in his sig guitar. i could be wrong though.

which BC Rich do you own?? as for me i like the wide neck that BCR uses my KK sig V has a WAYYY better neck (to me*) then my nephews ESP LTD alexi 600.
#5
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EMG`s :P

but i`m sure you knew i was gonna say that.

i`d go active... EMG`s/blackouts. but i`ve heard the X2N is a wicked metal pickup i`m pretty sure chuck from DEATH used them in his BCR Stealth, i think BC Rich uses them in his sig guitar. i could be wrong though.

which BC Rich do you own?? as for me i like the wide neck that BCR uses my KK sig V has a WAYYY better neck (to me*) then my nephews ESP LTD alexi 600.


The specs of the X2N have changed since Chuck used them. If you want a Chuck tone, I understand you'd need to change the conductor wires to low AWG conductor wires (i.e. you need thicker hookup cables).

If the TS wants a gothenburg tone, you need pickups with good clarity and chording definition. Then get a metal voiced amp, use moderate gain and let the voicing of the amp do the tonal work.
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#6
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The specs of the X2N have changed since Chuck used them. If you want a Chuck tone, I understand you'd need to change the conductor wires to low AWG conductor wires (i.e. you need thicker hookup cables).


Ah man, I'm not too keen on his tone but the X2N with thicker hookup cables.... hmmmm....
How good is the X2N now?
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Ah man, I'm not too keen on his tone but the X2N with thicker hookup cables.... hmmmm....
How good is the X2N now?


Like I said in another post... its BAD for everything else other than Death.

Over a year ago, I was really into the grinding, buzzsaw death metal tone, and it was great... but once i got over it, it is a meh pickup. The X2N can make kittens cry.

Good:
Gain coming out the wazzo.
Very harsh sound for death metal
Pushes your preamp section like mad.

Bad:
No note or chord definition
Sterile sound
Pushes your clean channel into OD easily
Doesn't play well with OD pedals
Even on the cleanest setting, you can hear the gain bleeding through.
Not a very reactive pickup, even when you pick lightly, it sounds like your punching your way through the strings.

I understand that the thicker hookup cables really opens up the tone of the X2N and makes it a more responsive pickup, however, I have no personal experience there.

I find that a good Gothenburg sound can easily be obtained with

Neck:
DiMarzio PAF Pro
DiMarzio Norton
DiMarzio Humbucker from Hell
Seymour Duncan '59 (SH1 as you mentioned)

Bridge:
Seymour Duncan Custom (SH5)
Seymour Duncan Distortion (SH6)
DiMarzio Super Distortion (for brighter guitars)
DiMarzio Super 2 (for darker guitars)

That said, if you want something like the inFlames tone, the formula can be very complex (matching pickups and amps) or simple (more than 1 amp).
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#9
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Heh, so what is mahogany? Brighter or darker?

Darker.

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Darker.

Oh, and don't bump your threads within a space of 20 minutes. Especially 4 times.


I don't find mahogany a very dark tone wood, but I find that it doesn't take to overly bright pickups very well

Just get the 4 conductor version. You can use it for parallel/serial mod later.
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#14
Basswood tends to be balanced, leaning very slightly darker than brighter.
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So, its just slightly darker than balanced?


Mahagany is like basswood in the sense that is a very mid-dy wood. Not as much of the highs and lows come through.

Basswood is a very mid range heavy instrument. The wood absorbs a lot of the highs and lows.

Because of the frequency hump towards the mid range on both these woods, they tend to sound darker, although in reality they really accentuate your mid range.

I personally find that with basswood, its very difficult to use a pickup to enhance your tone to get a balanced tone since the wood inherently absorbs the frequencies. Mahogany takes slightly better to pickups IMO.

For comparison, a really balanced tone wood is alder.
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#17
My bad, I should say basswood is just a pretty 'transparent' wood. Therefore, pickups can be pretty influential to the way it sounds.

I found this, it should answer any questions about tone woods
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1052639&highlight=tonewood+thread
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#18
Quoting myself is a little less of a bad thing when the situation has changed, and now we talk about tone wood... anyway....


Been checking out all the pickups, and the SH-1 has the option of 1 conductor or 4 conductors. Which one is for me?
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My bad, I should say basswood is just a pretty 'transparent' wood. Therefore, pickups can be pretty influential to the way it sounds.


I don't know man, I had a hard time enhancing the lows and highs on my RG with pickups sufficiently to get away from that mid range-y punch inherent to basswood guitars. Best bet is to use the V scoop on the amp to level it out.

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Quoting myself is a little less of a bad thing when the situation has changed, and now we talk about tone wood... anyway....


Been checking out all the pickups, and the SH-1 has the option of 1 conductor or 4 conductors. Which one is for me?


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Just get the 4 conductor version. You can use it for parallel/serial mod later.
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Right, so I have gotta get:

Seymour Duncan SH 6 (place doesn't have the SH 5 so I couldn't compare)
Seymour Duncan SH 1 '59 (Four Conductor)

And put it in my .... BC Rich Jr V?


Get the SH5 if you want more definition, warmth

Get the SH6 if you want more crunch and bite

You will probably have to do some tweaking with the pickup heights to level the output levels.
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#22
whats ur budget?

ur from the UK. dont get seymour duncans or dimarzios. u can get better pickups for around the same price or lower. if ur budget is high, check out bareknuckle pickups or bulldog pickups. if ur budget is low check out irongear pickups.
bareknuckles and bulldog cost like 80-100 pound/pickup. irongear cost like 25 pound/ pickup.
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#24
Quote by Banana Wedgie
But the Duncans are like.... £100 for both....

Unless the Irongear is better....


yeah but bareknuckles sounds a lot better than duncans...

i got irongears in my epiphone les paul and i love them. they sound just as good as seymour duncans, if not better.plus they're cheaper. the reason they're so cheap is bcuz u r paying only for the tone and not the brand name.

i recommend the rolling mills for neck and hammerhead for bridge.

http://www.irongear.co.uk/irongear_032.htm
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#26
Quote by Banana Wedgie
I know about the greatness of Bareknuckles but I don't think that I can afford them...

So, the Irongear... Which one is good for me?


rolling mills for neck
hammerhead or steamhammer for bridge

the hammerhead and steamhammer have the same specs except the hammerhead has big hex Head polepieces. so the hammerhead has better bass response while the steamhammer is slightly better in clarity.
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#27
Right, so you want me to get a Hammerhead in the bridge and a Rolling Mills in the neck?

Does anybody object to my decision? This is a life altering choice? Object or not?

EDIT: I fail. You know it. I know it. Lets just ignore that tiny failure.
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#28
Quote by Banana Wedgie
Right, so you want me to get a Hammerhead in the neck and a Rolling Mills in the neck?

Does anybody object to my decision? This is a life altering choice? Object or not?


hammerhead in bridge not neck
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Fender Blues Junior III Humholdt
#29
Quote by Banana Wedgie
I know about the greatness of Bareknuckles but I don't think that I can afford them...

So, the Irongear... Which one is good for me?


Save up then?
If it was amp you'd save up for it right? Well do the same here. Bare Knuckles will sound awesome.
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#30
Meh, I'm still a bit kind of off about going for a pickup I've never evn used... You know? Not that I will ever know, because they won't get put in anything, but regardless...

The seymour duncan I have used, and it was the only part of the guitar that I liked so I'd rather save up for that....

But onto the important part.... I'm getting a new amp some time after Christmas.... So this is a long way away....
#31
What amp you looking at?

I'm the same with pickups, I'm so wary of blind buying now that buying pickups are kind of very bottom of my list.
With BKP I kind of think the reputation they get is more than enough, but on top of that if you send them an e-mail they'll help you pick some and if you live near them then I'm sure they'd let you try some out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef3kVURwCdw&feature=related

I'm not good at all with gothenburg metal but those are the two BKP's you'd probably be looking at.
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#33
Quote by Banana Wedgie
The nailbomb came on....

I'M GETTING THAT

=P

But then I know that at least 70% of that is caused by the amp... but man that was awesome.


Actually if you want thrash you'd want, and particularly for the genres you listed...

Bridge: Painkiller
Neck: Cold Sweats
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#35
bridge - painkiller
neck - mules or maybe emerald if u want it a bit hotter

u should just email bareknuckles and ask them which pickup would be best for u. they know their stuff real well.

if u want to spend a bit less, like 80 pound/ pickup, u can check out swineshead and bulldog pickups.
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#36
Email Tim Mills for HIS own personal recommendation. Nothing beats getting it straight from the source.

Also these are other brands you can consider:

Aero Instrument Pickups
http://www.aeroinstrument.com/pickups.html

Amalfitano Pickups
www.amalfitanopickups.com

Angeltone Electronic
www.angeltone.com

Bare Knuckles
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/

Bartolini Pickups
http://www.bartolini.net/

BG Pickups
http://www.norcalguitars.com
http://www.bg-pups.com/

Brandon Wound Pickups
http://www.brandonwoundpickups.com/

Bulldog Pickups
http://www.bulldogpickups.com/

Chandler Guitars
http://www.chandlerguitars.com/

Copperhead Pickups
http://www.copperheadpickups.com

Curtis Novak Guitars and Pickups
http://www.curtisnovak.com

DragonFire Guitars
http://www.dragonfireguitars.com/

Gadow Hand Wound Pickups
http://www.gadowguitars.com/gadow-hand-wound-pickups.html

GFS Pickups
http://store.guitarfetish.com/pickups.html

Guitarforce Pickups
http://www.guitarforcepickups.com

Harmonic Design
http://www.harmonicdesign.net/

Hanson Pickups
http://www.hansonpickups.com/

Haeussel Pickups
http://www.haeussel.com/

High Order Pickups
http://www.highorderpickups.com/

Iron Gear
http://www.irongear.co.uk/

James Reed Pickups
http://reedjamescustom.com/

Juicy Pickups
http://www.juicypickups.com

Joe Barden Engineering
http://www.joebarden.com

J. M. Rolph
http://www.jmrolph.com/

J S Morre Pickups
http://www.tonefordays.com/

Kloppmann Electrics
http://www.kloppmann-electrics.de/index_en.php

Klein Pickups
http://www.kleinpickups.com/

Lollar Guitar Pickups
http://www.lollarguitars.com/

Manlius Guitar Pickups
http://www.manliusguitar.com/

Mojo Pickups
http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/pickups.asp?id=65960&s=Custom%20Wound

Motor City Pickups
http://motorcitypickups.com/

O.C. Duff Pickups
http://www.ocduffpickups.com/

Patrick McDonald Handwound Pickups
Link unknown

Pure Tone Pickups
http://www.pure-tone.com

Raw Vintage
http://www.rawvintage.com

Rio Grande Pickups
http://www.riograndepickups.com/

Rock Monkey
http://www.rockmonkeyguitars.com/

Rockfield Pickups
http://www.rockfieldpickups.com/

Rocketfire Pickups
http://www.1stgearmusic.com/rocketfirescatterwoundvintagesinglecoilstratpickups.aspx

Rumpelstiltskin Pickups
http://www.rumpelpickups.com/

S.K. Guitar Specialities
http://www.skguitar.com

Sheptone
http://www.sheptone.com/hum.htm

Shed Pickups
http://www.shedpickups.com

Skatterbrane
https://www.skatterbrane.com

Sky Pickups
http://www.guitarparts.com

Sidewynder Pickups
http://www.sidewynder.co.uk

Smit's Hand Wound Pickups
http://www.smitspickups.com/

Stan Hinesley Handwound Pickups
http://www.stanhinesleypickups.com/

Stephen Design
http://www.sdpickups.com/

Swineshead Pickups
http://www.swinesheadpickups.co.uk/

Throbak Electronics & Pickups
www.gundrymedia.typepad.com/

Timpson Music
http://www.timpsonmusic.com/html/tdm_pickups.html

Toneworks Custom Pickups
http://www.toneworks.co.uk/

Toneriders
http://www.tonerider.com/

Torres Engineering
http://www.torresamps.com/pickups.htm

TV Jones Guitars & Pickups
http://www.tvjones.com/

WB Custom Pickups
http://www.wbpickups.com/

WCR
http://www.wcrguitar.com/

Witkowski Guitars
http://www.witkowskiguitars.com

Wizard Pickups Ltd
http://www.wizardpickups.co.uk

Wolfe Tone
http://www.wolfetone.com

Zhangbucker Pickups
zhangbucker@yahoo.com
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