#1
hello i'm a political science student and a voter but i realized today that i have no political party, i voted Liberal in the last election but i feel less and less connected to the party every day. I couldn't support the Conservatives or the NDP becasue i fundamentally disagree with their current platforms. Some days i wish the Progressive Conservatives were still around.

so has anybody else found themselves in a predicament like this?
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#4
The woes of being independant
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#5
I choose not to associate myself with a party
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i associate myself with the bull moose party
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#7
The only time I feel up to affiliating myself with political parties is when I feel the need to piss people off.
Hence, the hammer and sickle in sig.

The political parties here in Canada are all ridiculously stupid anyway. It's not abnormal to hate them all despite having any right/left wing leanings.
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The political parties here in Canada are all ridiculously stupid anyway. It's not abnormal to hate them all despite having any right/left wing leanings.


I only wish the PCs were still around at least they had a sense of history while at the same time as their name suggests being progressive
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#9
What do you hope to get out of being a political science student?
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#10
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What do you hope to get out of being a political science student?


a degree i enjoy taking and am genuinely interested in then going to Law school
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#11
I get what you mean. There's no real process to spoil a vote, either... not that it would matter. I just vote Green *shrug*
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a degree i enjoy taking and am genuinely interested in then going to Law school

Take it from a lawyer: get an English degree and/or a philosophy degree.
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Take it from a lawyer: get an English degree and/or a philosophy degree.


why exactly if i may ask?
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why exactly if i may ask?

I majored in history and political science in undergrad because I was "interested" in it. Come to find out, yes it's interesting, but the most I get to use my degree is arguing on internet forums. English and philosophy focus more on what you need to do a lot of as a law student -- read critically and write a lot. Philsophy, too, can get you to see many sides of what you're talking about, which is really a vital skill. Either that, or if you're interested in a particular area of the law, it's better to go in with a technical degree such as a science, accounting, or something along those lines.
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I majored in history and political science in undergrad because I was "interested" in it. Come to find out, yes it's interesting, but the most I get to use my degree is arguing on internet forums. English and philosophy focus more on what you need to do a lot of as a law student -- read critically and write a lot. Either that, or if you're interested in a particular area of the law, it's better to go in with a technical degree such as a science, accounting, or something along those lines.



interesting, i'm actually interested in constitutional law and have focused my poli-sci degree so far more on that area, such as my last paper was on the implications of the Charlottetown accord (1992 proposed constitutional change) on the federation. All of the classes i take are real world as well and usually have to deal directly with the constitution or central institutions.

i have taken some English courses as well, philosophy is not as interesting to me beyond the concrete applications of ideas.

Edit: it's funny you should mention history because that is my minor, Canadian politics major (i'm planning on writing my honours thesis on the mega-constitutional era of politics), Canadian history minor
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hello i'm a political science student and a voter but i realized today that i have no political party, i voted Liberal in the last election but i feel less and less connected to the party every day. I couldn't support the Conservatives or the NDP becasue i fundamentally disagree with their current platforms. Some days i wish the Progressive Conservatives were still around.

so has anybody else found themselves in a predicament like this?


Don't associate yourself with a party. Associate your socio-political values with whichever party best represents those values at any given time. It is contradictory to the whole purpose of liberal democracy and indeed politics itself to continuously vote for one party just because they are that party.

Of course you may find yourself more often associating with one particular party because you share a set of interconnected values, but no party will ever fully represent your views on everything, hence your current problem.

Don't work for politics. Make politics work for you.
#19
What? ?? You're not a communist like the rest of this site, who insists on labeling all of America as a Texan-accented redneck? You don't think capitalism is garbage? Obama's not your god?


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What? ?? You're not a communist like the rest of this site, who insists on labeling all of America as a Texan-accented redneck? You don't think capitalism is garbage? Obama's not your god?


Dude, what's wrong with you?

What, are you talking to me or TS?
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What, are you talking to me or TS?


he's probably talking to me and no i am not a communist. Though i believe in a strong welfare state i also believe in the sense of history that we have and free-market capitalism
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#22
I'll vote Liberal, because their values are less far from me than the Conservative's.
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I'll vote Liberal, because their values are less far from me than the Conservative's.


oh i'll vote liberal as well becasue the new Conservative Party is far too right wing for me, it's just i do not like Iggy as the leader and kind of wish there was still a progressive conservative party as a reasonable alternative, in the style of Deifenbacker, Clark or Mulroney
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#25
Yeah.


I identify most readily with the Libertarian party, but when my views are analyzed closely, some of my views could be deemed socialistic.

So I guess I'm a Left-Wing Libertarian.
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Yeah.


I identify most readily with the Libertarian party, but when my views are analyzed closely, some of my views could be deemed socialistic.

So I guess I'm a Left-Wing Libertarian.


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Unfortunately Liberal Democracy is a contradiction of liberalist ideals. If liberalism is about maximising the freedoms and liberties of the individual - the smallest unit of society, then how could democracy possibly enable this if its most outstanding principle is to rule in favour of majorities over minorities?

For now social liberalism is where it's at, but if there's a better way, then I'll be the next in line.
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Unfortunately Liberal Democracy is a contradiction of liberalist ideals. If liberalism is about maximising the freedoms and liberties of the individual - the smallest unit of society, then how could democracy possibly enable this if its most outstanding principle is to rule in favour of majorities over minorities?

For now social liberalism is where it's at, but if there's a better way, then I'll be the next in line.


i disagree on the fundamentals of liberalism

i do not believe liberalism is about "maximising the freedoms and liberties of the individual - the smallest unit of society." i believe liberalism is about three things Liberty, Equality and Property and primarily relates to freedom of individuals in the private sector with little government interference. however; this is not the politics thread, this is the political malaise thread.
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i disagree on the fundamentals of liberalism

i do not believe liberalism is about "maximising the freedoms and liberties of the individual - the smallest unit of society." i believe liberalism is about three things Liberty, Equality and Property and primarily relates to freedom of individuals in the private sector with little government interference. however; this is not the politics thread, this is the political malaise thread.


Aha, if you're telling me not to discuss politics in this thread then you shouldn't have responded yourself.
#29
I say screw political parties and support whoever you personally beleive is doing the most good regardless of what party. I wanted McCain to win in, and I generally like Conservative veiws more, and everyone hates me for not worshipping Obama. And I think Bush was a good president, just made a few dumb mistakes.
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Aha, if you're telling me not to discuss politics in this thread then you shouldn't have responded yourself.


i'm not saying that i just don't want some jackass to report the thread and have it closed, which is why i was responding and emphasising the purpose of the thread for any interlopers
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Yeah.


I identify most readily with the Libertarian party, but when my views are analyzed closely, some of my views could be deemed socialistic.

So I guess I'm a Left-Wing Libertarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

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#32
Start Your own party. With Hookers. And Booze.

In fact, screw the party. And the booze. Fuck it, screw the whole thing.
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#33
No party really reflects my views. I once voted for an independant candidate just to try and help the poor bugger get his deposit back.
He didn't.
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I say screw political parties and support whoever you personally beleive is doing the most good regardless of what party. I wanted McCain to win in, and I generally like Conservative veiws more, and everyone hates me for not worshipping Obama. And I think Bush was a good president, just made a few dumb mistakes.


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