#1
I was over a friends house earlier today and we decided to listen to ...And Justice for All for the first time in forever. We got on the topic about how the bass is basically in-audible. He was saying that the album should just stay the way it is like that. Do you guys think that it should be remastered with bass turned up? or just keep it the way it is?
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Check it out! If you do listen, ignore the bass playing on the songs. I recorded them when i was alot worse then i am now.

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#2
Depends if the bass is good or not. Like, seriously, the album needs a remastering on the guitar tone and drum kit alone. I wouldn't mind hearing it, but you gotta figure, save for a few segments in songs, Cliff never really had any audible basslines. For Whom The Bell Tolls, Seek and Destroy, Orion, Call of Ktulu... and Anesthesia if you want to count that.
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#3
I'd like to hear a remaster as long as they kept the original available, because like it or not, it's a unique mix that captures their sound at that time
#4
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Depends if the bass is good or not. Like, seriously, the album needs a remastering on the guitar tone and drum kit alone. I wouldn't mind hearing it, but you gotta figure, save for a few segments in songs, Cliff never really had any audible basslines. For Whom The Bell Tolls, Seek and Destroy, Orion, Call of Ktulu... and Anesthesia if you want to count that.


Cliff wasn't playing on ...And Justice anyhow. The bass is there, but it plays along to exactly the rhythm guitar, and is muffled, so it sounds just like the guitar has a LOT of bass to it. I wouldn't mind hearing some alternative bass lines to that album, but what's done is done, and I still like it.
#5
Well then you run into that problem where they really don't like messing with tracks that were recorded by someone that is now dead. For some reason I find that those are the ones that hardly ever get a true remaster. But I don't mind those albums the way they are.
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Cliff wasn't playing on ...And Justice anyhow. The bass is there, but it plays along to exactly the rhythm guitar, and is muffled, so it sounds just like the guitar has a LOT of bass to it. I wouldn't mind hearing some alternative bass lines to that album, but what's done is done, and I still like it.

Obviously. Just saying Metallica in general has never really given the bass enough of a place within their music
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#7
There is a torrent somewhere of it remastered by some guy. The drums sound sooo much better and the bass is more prominent. I replaced the original because I prefer the remaster.
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#8
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Depends if the bass is good or not. Like, seriously, the album needs a remastering on the guitar tone and drum kit alone. I wouldn't mind hearing it, but you gotta figure, save for a few segments in songs, Cliff never really had any audible basslines. For Whom The Bell Tolls, Seek and Destroy, Orion, Call of Ktulu... and Anesthesia if you want to count that.


I mean, you can hear nearly every bass track on Kill Em' All. RTL and Master is a bit like that too.
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Check it out! If you do listen, ignore the bass playing on the songs. I recorded them when i was alot worse then i am now.

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#9
This whole thing bout the bass being in too similar a frequency range as the guitar is ridiculous, as is the excuse that Newsted just followed the rhythm guitar. Check out the rips of the bass tracks from Justice on youtube. There's some very cool stuff in those basslines.

They buried him in the mix - the bass track just wasnt turned up. Ive read the same articles with Hetfield where he defends it, but its blatantly not true after you hear the tracks.
#10
I think they should. It sucks how you can't hear the bass on that album. I've heard rumours it was because James was still bummed about Cliff so he turned down Newsteads mix because he couldn't bear hearing anyone else play bass at the time on their records.
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#11
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There is a torrent somewhere of it remastered by some guy. The drums sound sooo much better and the bass is more prominent. I replaced the original because I prefer the remaster.

PM me a link? The drums are terrible on the album.
#12
I have a version called And Justice For Jason which sounds like a positive improvement. You guys could search for it if you like.
IMO there never will be a remastered version. It would have been great, though. The production on the album is terrible, to put it mildly.
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PM me a link? The drums are terrible on the album.


If I could have a link too, that would be great.
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Let me find it.
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#17
I have the bass tablature book for And Justice For All. The parts resemble what the rhythm guitar is playing for a majority of the songs, but Jason plays a lot of chords and octaves in some parts too that sound interesting. It definitely would sound better with the bass more audible. That being said, Blackened is one of my favorite Metallica songs to play and Jason made a really cool bassline in that song.
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#18
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Well then you run into that problem where they really don't like messing with tracks that were recorded by someone that is now dead. For some reason I find that those are the ones that hardly ever get a true remaster. But I don't mind those albums the way they are.


When did Jason die? lol

I wouldn't mind that link as well, I love Jason, would love to hear him lol
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#22
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There is a torrent somewhere of it remastered by some guy. The drums sound sooo much better and the bass is more prominent. I replaced the original because I prefer the remaster.


dude could you send me via PM the link ?

on topic its a shame that a good record was bad mixed and it sucks the songs are great but they lack of bass IMO
#23
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Obviously. Just saying Metallica in general has never really given the bass enough of a place within their music



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#24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnatnzxxtFE

Hmm this version is a little over kill with the bass levels, but i guess it gives people an idea of what they're missing.

My favourite tone for Metallica will always be the tone used on Four Horsemen, it was punchy and audible..can't think of any other 'Tallica songs I can describe like that.