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#42
Bah, I had a concept in my mind for a solo, and did it and (for me anyways) sounds pretty good...

But it's only a 1:20 long solo, and I would have intended it to be a part of a song (maybe using the same concept too in some parts), but it's kind of difficult trying to make a song out of scratch thinking about how it would fit with the solo. Like, how should I make the chorus? or how should I make the song?
But mostly the question I make myself is if I should make the song at all. I want to so as to make the solo have a backup "story" let's say, make the song climax on said solo. But again, I'm too lazy to do one

Hmm, anyways I'm off for a few days, but I'll try to at least start the song in some time, but I'm off to other places for holidays in January, so it may take a while, anyways...
#43
Quote by gonzaw
Bah, I had a concept in my mind for a solo, and did it and (for me anyways) sounds pretty good...

But it's only a 1:20 long solo, and I would have intended it to be a part of a song (maybe using the same concept too in some parts), but it's kind of difficult trying to make a song out of scratch thinking about how it would fit with the solo. Like, how should I make the chorus? or how should I make the song?
But mostly the question I make myself is if I should make the song at all. I want to so as to make the solo have a backup "story" let's say, make the song climax on said solo. But again, I'm too lazy to do one

Hmm, anyways I'm off for a few days, but I'll try to at least start the song in some time, but I'm off to other places for holidays in January, so it may take a while, anyways...


Cool story bro.

Tab it (if you already haven't) and then send it to us.
You'll receive your brand new Dell XPS laptop in 4-6 weeks. All you need to do is send $100 monthly and we'll get back to you. Or maybe not.

Now tab the song foo!
#46
Quote by salamander121
Really need a transition as I just stuck in a lame-ass rallentando that doesn't sound great at bars 15 - 16. Anybody got any ideas? Add or change it
ok I played around with a bit and have some suggestions for you:
1. Let only 1 or 3 gutiars or the bass play a little like there, you can use some of the little legato shapes you had before.

1. b) scrap the rallentando and end the likc or whatever you do there with a whammy bar dive.

2. Drum fills are always perfect for stuff like that.

Also, it felt like an 3/4 time would be in orde rin that bar and not 4/4.

@ Lord O Donuts
Try out A#m, sounds good to me.
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#47
Quote by huevos
Cool story bro.

Tab it (if you already haven't) and then send it to us.
You'll receive your brand new Dell XPS laptop in 4-6 weeks. All you need to do is send $100 monthly and we'll get back to you. Or maybe not.

Now tab the song foo!


Okay here it is...

I was thinking of making the song mellow, and in A major. And maybe apply the same gimmick to the chorus, both in vocal, guitar and bass melodies, I dunno, I won't work too much on it now since I have exams, christmas parties and family reunions and then holidays anyways...
Attachments:
Solo.gp5
#48
Quote by thorbor
ok I played around with a bit and have some suggestions for you:
1. Let only 1 or 3 gutiars or the bass play a little like there, you can use some of the little legato shapes you had before.

1. b) scrap the rallentando and end the likc or whatever you do there with a whammy bar dive.

2. Drum fills are always perfect for stuff like that.

Also, it felt like an 3/4 time would be in orde rin that bar and not 4/4.

@ Lord O Donuts
Try out A#m, sounds good to me.


Thanks brah' - I'll try that whammy bar dive idea .
#49
Quote by gonzaw
Okay here it is...

I was thinking of making the song mellow, and in A major. And maybe apply the same gimmick to the chorus, both in vocal, guitar and bass melodies, I dunno, I won't work too much on it now since I have exams, christmas parties and family reunions and then holidays anyways...

alright, overall this thing sounds very nice, but it gets boring after while. let's say not really boring, but after you've heard the 9th fret like 50 times you want to hear something new.

I played around with it made some little changes. I'd write more but I don't really gt that much time.
what you did was basically very good and I enjoyed the solo, but it just wants to go up a few frets after like 16 bars, but that never really comes.
From bar 31 on you should just move everythng up one octave as I did.
Attachments:
Solo.gp5
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#50
Quote by thorbor
alright, overall this thing sounds very nice, but it gets boring after while. let's say not really boring, but after you've heard the 9th fret like 50 times you want to hear something new.

I played around with it made some little changes. I'd write more but I don't really gt that much time.
what you did was basically very good and I enjoyed the solo, but it just wants to go up a few frets after like 16 bars, but that never really comes.
From bar 31 on you should just move everythng up one octave as I did.


I had some trouble making changes to the solo, since some parts of the solo are symbiotic...

For instance, you can't change bar 15 without changing bar 23. You can't change bar 16 without changing bar 22. You can't change 30-33 without changing 5-8....

Meaning, if you think bars 21-24 sound good, then you can't change bars 14-17, even if you think they would need some little improvement (if they are boring, etc).

That's the problem I had: for instance, the last bars sound kind of dull, like without closure, but I can't change them without changing the beginning of the solo, meaning if I change them to have some closure or some nice phrase the solo would begin horribly. But since it's the end of the solo, I can always fade out (since it would be the end of the song) or bring other instruments on top of it and end with some Outro of sorts....
#51
yeah I see what you did there, but the main problem is, if the whole solo consists of 5 notes, you can't really distinguish those parts.
Let me put it this way: with recurring themes in a solo you can make it awesome, but in this solo it's hard to actually see those themes. And even if you recognise them, they aren't that special and wont stick into ones head.
This solo always stays on the same level of tension and you have to change that.
Sure, there are some nice bends in there, but they wont make the solo.

You have to extend the range of notes (time and tonality) you use, otherwise the recurring themes wont be awesome, but boring.

also, the B is starting to piss me off big time. I mean didn't yo realize while listening to/writing this song that you use this note way too often?
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Last edited by thorbor at Dec 20, 2009,
#52
Quote by gonzaw
Okay here it is...

I was thinking of making the song mellow, and in A major. And maybe apply the same gimmick to the chorus, both in vocal, guitar and bass melodies, I dunno, I won't work too much on it now since I have exams, christmas parties and family reunions and then holidays anyways...


Well. from 1-12 is good (aside from one note in bar 9, and from 29 until the end is good as well, but everything in between is pretty awful. I'm not really sure what you were trying to do, but between the choice in chords and the choice of lead notes and the somewhat choppy phrasing just sounded bad to me. I think you really need to go back and re-work your chord progression, and pay a little closer attention to chord tones in your lead playing.
#53
I have to say I couldn't find a good chord progression for it since I made the melody first, but i don't see what the problem in the progression from 12-28 is.
Hell honestly I don't see what's so awful about that part, it's a A B A ternary phrase, while the reversed one two binary phrases. It was kind of difficult working with the order of the semiphrases, that's why I made that part at 11-12...

Anyways, my problem wasn't about the solo itself, but about how to make the song....

EDIT: I put all those B since the whole thing is played backwards too, so for any B starting the semiphrase there has to be a B ending the semiphrase (since the thing is in B minor).
Last edited by gonzaw at Dec 20, 2009,
#54
Quote by gonzaw
I have to say I couldn't find a good chord progression for it since I made the melody first, but i don't see what the problem in the progression from 12-28 is.


Well, I'll tell you what's wrong. First however, I know I'm being harsh. Just take my word that I'm trying to be semi-helpful in the process, and not just an ass

Bar 12 D to E bend. You're bending out of a chord tone. This rarely works.
Bar 13, the D note and the B note are bad, and both actually imply Bm instead of F#m, which then makes the E to F# bend sound out.
Bar14 D to E bend again throws the chord off.
Bar 15. the way your phrased is implying E and B are the main tones, and the F# is a passing tone. This doesn't compliment the chord, and infact it actually makes the A note you ended on sound off, despite the fact that it is a chord tone.
16 and 17 are the same as 12 and 13

Bar 18 I guess that would be an E7 with a Diminished 5th. Either way, your tones are E A# and D. Oddly you've got lots of A notes instead of A# in your lead, and only a couple Es and Ds, and most of them are placed in weak positions.
Bar 19 is fine (horray)
Bar 20 same as bar 18

The next 8 bars are more of the same.

It's tough to write a chord progression behind an already written melody. All you can really do is analyze each bar, see which notes are the most prevalent, and which notes land on the strongest beats in your rhythms and see which chords they make. All you can really do is either go back and try to re-do your progression to fit your melodies, or alter your melodies to better fit the chord progression.

Also, while you may not be looking for help with the solo, it's impossible to really make suggestions on where you can take your song, when the portion you've shown is as it is.
#55
And in a new post, something I've just started working on.

Pretty rough still. Mostly interested in comments on the last little bit. I'm really not sure if I should just scrap it or what. Or where to go with it for that matter.
Attachments:
Mr cool.gp5
#56
Hiya!

Problem: Well.. I think the intro is very dull and boring. I don't know if it's the lack of drums and bass or if it's just poor phrasing, but there's definitely something.

So I wonder if anyone would have any input on how to make the intro more interesting! Feel free to do anything with the song though, not just the intro.

As you guys can see it's not finished in any way, but it's nice to get some tips for better writing. Thanks!

Edit: I guess it could have something to do with the straight eights, but still. Anyhow, I'm not a good guitar player nor writer, so don't bash me too hard.
Attachments:
Halp me!!.gp5
Halp me!!GP4.gp4
I've heard it both ways
Last edited by Siggelump at Dec 20, 2009,
#57
Quote by Siggelump
Hiya!

Problem: Well.. I think the intro is very dull and boring. I don't know if it's the lack of drums and bass or if it's just poor phrasing, but there's definitely something.

So I wonder if anyone would have any input on how to make the intro more interesting! Feel free to do anything with the song though, not just the intro.

As you guys can see it's not finished in any way, but it's nice to get some tips for better writing. Thanks!

Edit: I guess it could have something to do with the straight eights, but still. Anyhow, I'm not a good guitar player nor writer, so don't bash me too hard.


Well first you should use the let ring option for the first 8 bars. That'll help a lot. Other than that you can add little flourishes. Some triplet or 16th note ho/po kinda stuff on the E and B strings.
#58
Thanks for your input!

The let ring option really made it feel nicer, can't believe I didn't think of that. And I'll try to add something more interesting note value-wise. Thanks again.
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#59
Quote by icronic
Well, I'll tell you what's wrong. First however, I know I'm being harsh. Just take my word that I'm trying to be semi-helpful in the process, and not just an ass

Bar 12 D to E bend. You're bending out of a chord tone. This rarely works.
Bar 13, the D note and the B note are bad, and both actually imply Bm instead of F#m, which then makes the E to F# bend sound out.
Bar14 D to E bend again throws the chord off.
Bar 15. the way your phrased is implying E and B are the main tones, and the F# is a passing tone. This doesn't compliment the chord, and infact it actually makes the A note you ended on sound off, despite the fact that it is a chord tone.
16 and 17 are the same as 12 and 13

Bar 18 I guess that would be an E7 with a Diminished 5th. Either way, your tones are E A# and D. Oddly you've got lots of A notes instead of A# in your lead, and only a couple Es and Ds, and most of them are placed in weak positions.
Bar 19 is fine (horray)
Bar 20 same as bar 18

The next 8 bars are more of the same.

It's tough to write a chord progression behind an already written melody. All you can really do is analyze each bar, see which notes are the most prevalent, and which notes land on the strongest beats in your rhythms and see which chords they make. All you can really do is either go back and try to re-do your progression to fit your melodies, or alter your melodies to better fit the chord progression.

Also, while you may not be looking for help with the solo, it's impossible to really make suggestions on where you can take your song, when the portion you've shown is as it is.


Well, firstly I wasn't desperate for a suggestion I just kind of pointed it out so maybe someone could have a tip or something.....

Anyways, I thought you said the melodies were awful so I was kind of like "wtf?"
Yeah, I made the chords in like the spot and didn't think too much about them, I was only trying just to see if something fit and then continue doing the song, since the rhythm of the chord progression could be decided by the rhythm of some parts of the song (or if the chords are played with distortion, or a piano, whatever)...

Anyways, I'll try fixing the chord progression (just from bars 12-19, I will just simetrizise the rest, well, at least try and see what happens)
Last edited by gonzaw at Dec 20, 2009,
#60
Quote by Siggelump
Hiya!

Problem: Well.. I think the intro is very dull and boring. I don't know if it's the lack of drums and bass or if it's just poor phrasing, but there's definitely something.

So I wonder if anyone would have any input on how to make the intro more interesting! Feel free to do anything with the song though, not just the intro.

As you guys can see it's not finished in any way, but it's nice to get some tips for better writing. Thanks!

Edit: I guess it could have something to do with the straight eights, but still. Anyhow, I'm not a good guitar player nor writer, so don't bash me too hard.


You should use let ring at start, it would help alot and make it memoreable.
Bass&Drums should fix the rest. Also didn't like some parts in solo. Bar 21 is horrible.
Instead of 2x 1/4 A with vibrato you could make something like 8-5-7(7 2/4 with vibrato, little vibrato!) Edit bar 23 same way, the ending sounds like afwul when same note is being overused.
#61
Hey, so this is just some nooby improv over chords that I wrote a while back, but I kinda like where its going. I put in a lot of extra bars so that someone could write in an idea they might have had for a solo or something. I kinda think it needs something acoustic. I don't really think it would be good with drums but maybe you have ideas for that too. Thanks everyone.
Attachments:
Epitaph.gp5
Epitaph.gp4
#63
I'll gladly write some drum tracks on stuff.
the ladies love when i gyrate my ass in front of a graveyard
#65
Not entirely sure if this is the right thread, but anybody know how to have one instrument changing into another at a certain bar in GP5?
#66
Quote by piratemetalhead
Not entirely sure if this is the right thread, but anybody know how to have one instrument changing into another at a certain bar in GP5?
F10 to go to mix table, and there's an instrument option from there.
#68
Alright this song is mads work in progress but, any opinions or ideas would be cool - my main concern is the flow of the song, I would like to know if there are flow issues and if anyone has ideas to resolve them, to make the sections stick together better and the transitions less shitty, so tospeak .
Attachments:
The Cyborg.zip
#69
Quote by JazzDeath
Alright this song is mads work in progress but, any opinions or ideas would be cool - my main concern is the flow of the song, I would like to know if there are flow issues and if anyone has ideas to resolve them, to make the sections stick together better and the transitions less shitty, so tospeak .
haha, typical jazzdeath piece

well, not quite, because this really is a lot more "bulky" if I may say so. but after closing your tab and then reopening it to tell you that the riff starting at bar 43 drags on too long, I first read the actual title. After that, everything basically has fallen into place. It really has weird transitions and doesn't flow that well, but that's what a cyborg is supposed to be.
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#70
Hey there, I usually write metal/rock, but decided to try and write an R&B/Jazzy track. (original R&B not the contemporary stuff).
Using a 12 bar chord progression but not really sure how to add any more dynamic or what could go next.

I only really play bass but know a little music theory so can construct chords and stuff on other instruments. So really any drum ideas, guitar ideas or even Sax ideas would be great. Either to add to the exisiting bars or that could follow. Also opinions would be great.
Cheers,
Josh

Edit: Don't be too harsh, this is my fist song I've written on GP so yeah
Attachments:
RnBstyle.gp5
Last edited by Puppet_616 at Feb 4, 2010,
#71
JD: Problem-The transition at bar 84/85. Switching from melo-death (w/groove) to what I can only call Cynic power metal is always gunna make for a difficult transition.

Solution-Don't go with a fade out here. I'm not really sure what to do here.
I tried a bass intermezzi of the following riff, but that sounds way out of place.
Alright, I got something. Extend that section to 6-8 measures, 8th note bass line, hit a D5 every time the D comes up on the bass line, and do an awkward kick drum rhythm.

Puppet (hey lil Puppet, hehe)-Pretty bog standard, but it does encapsulate the soul of old school R&B, the real shit.
For the jazzy, blues style you're going with here, everything works perfect. I'd say introduce a second (overdriven) guitar line at bar 7, introducing the sax at bar 12. The guitar should play Albert King, ZZ Top licks, while the sax busts out some Coltrane and Davis. Don't have them play the different styles simultaneously, as it could make for a garbled mess.
Instead do a call and response style, finally climaxing with them working in harmony. I'll work on it for a minute so you can see what I mean.


EDIT: There.
Attachments:
RnBstyle_leads.gp5
Last edited by huevos at Feb 4, 2010,
#72
to puppet:
basically what huevos said.
That thing sounds like a rough draft that needs to be filled with triplets, breaks, ghost notes, legato, bends, and mroe instruments.
I can't give any specific advice here since it's just a basis to work from. If you have written some details in a few days I'll glady check it out though.
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#73
Thanks guys, I'll be working on it, and huevos I look forward to seeing your interpretation. I'm pretty new to song writing and instrument playing. (Been playing bass maybe 6months and so far have only ever written Metallica rip off riffs). So this is my first attempt at not only something different, but also a proper song than doesn't just consist of open notes, powerchords and double bass.

EDIT: Thanks for that, sounded really cool. I'm gonna go and work on it for a bit now and hopefully come up with a newer version in a day or two
Attachments:
RnBstyle2.gp5
Last edited by Puppet_616 at Feb 7, 2010,
#75
Quote by JazzDeath
What does bulky mean? Is that good or bad?
haha, I had to google that one. well generally it's bad but in this case it's rather good because it adds to the atmosphere and feeling of the song.
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#76
This post sort of involves a few songs.
I need help writing a synth/piano part to two songs for my band. You will be credited with it of course. Alternate between piano effects as you wish, as long as it doesn't get radical. Just fit the song

Also, in another one of my songs, I want to find if theres any places to fit a solo. So if you can help with that, please do
Attachments:
A Sad Serenade.gp5
Human.gp5
Rise.gp5
#77
Quote by Vengynce
This post sort of involves a few songs.
I need help writing a synth/piano part to two songs for my band. You will be credited with it of course. Alternate between piano effects as you wish, as long as it doesn't get radical. Just fit the song

Also, in another one of my songs, I want to find if theres any places to fit a solo. So if you can help with that, please do
I know you didn't ask for that, but I couldn't resist changing your solo in A Sad Serenade a bit.
I really liked your solo and in contrast to many other solos around here you have a good phrasing, but some things almost felt like they could need a little bit more help.
You had good licks in there, but they we'rent really connected, or let's say, they were too much connected. I don't really know how to say this, but some licks could not develop their full potential because there were not enough room for them. It's just my opinion that you have to seperate each lick from another, while still keep them connected.
But I guess isntead of reading this bogus you should just look into it and see if you like the things I did.

So all in all, you had good phrasing, but sometimes it was too much. Make more use of triplets, dotted notes and bends.

Oh, and the second riffs chord progression is ultra generic. I think I already critted this song a while back though.

I also looked into the third song and it was a bit strange. The intro was pretty cool but you use that riff and too often and it's too long. Vocals could possibly drag away from that, but still, some variation is always a good idea, but I'm kind of a smartass on here when it somes to that
Concerning the keys, I can't really say much on that topic. Let's just say I couldn't spot any mistakes in that direction.

Aleight, coming to my song. Just started to write that yesterday as a rock song for my band but it turned out to be something completely different >.>
If anybody could make it more jazzy or give some pointers on how to continue that I'd be really happy.
Also, in the last part "not a solo" just have the clean guitar and the bass playing. It sounds pretty good imo and I'm thinking about xutting down the drums and the lead over that part and focus on bass and clean guitars.
Anyway, mixed for RSE as usual, the gp4 mix will be kinda off.

edit: files are up. Another thng concerning my tab: I'll plan on using the main riff agai later on, with an extended bass part and another thing that needs some work is the transition to the last part.

cheers.
Attachments:
A Sad Serenade.gp5
#35.gp5
#35.gp4
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Last edited by thorbor at Feb 6, 2010,
#78
Thank you, I enjoyed the additions you made. I'll probably edit some of the solo a bit more to fit the rest. What exactly is phrasing?
#79
Quote by Puppet_616
Thanks guys, I'll be working on it, and huevos I look forward to seeing your interpretation. I'm pretty new to song writing and instrument playing. (Been playing bass maybe 6months and so far have only ever written Metallica rip off riffs). So this is my first attempt at not only something different, but also a proper song than doesn't just consist of open notes, powerchords and double bass.

EDIT: Thanks for that, sounded really cool. I'm gonna go and work on it for a bit now and hopefully come up with a newer version in a day or two


I like that lounge-y ambience the piano brings in.

In your future song endeavors, you'll definitely wanna stick to this type of streamlined song format before going into the unknown. I did this whole songwriting schtick ass backwards and now I'm really starting to feel the hurt (of lacking structured songs).
Good luck and don't be afraid to post here more often.
#80
Another song I need a bit of help on. This was the first song I ever wrote by myself.
Basically ignore all the backing music in the "solo" section, as I would like someone to help me come up with a guitar solo for the song.

Also the drum beat is fairly simple throughout, so if anyone has any ideas for that, then that would also be great.
Ignore the vocal track, as that kinda messed up a bit lol.

Anyway c4c as always and all help is appreciated
Attachments:
Role Models.gp5