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A young man fired shots inside a Northern Virginia Community College classroom Tuesday afternoon, police said.

A campus police officer heard the shots and contacted Prince William County police on their shared radio system at about 2:40 p.m. in the Main Administration Building on the Woodbridge campus.

An upset student entered a classroom with a high-powered rifle and fired at least two shots, police spokeswoman Sgt. Kim Chinn said. The teacher hit the floor to avoid gunfire, she said.

"I'm hearing that she did make some attempt to identify him to students so, I assume, that if something happened to her, people would know who he was," Chinn said.

A parent of a student who heard a gunshot while inside a fourth-floor classroom told InsideNoVA.com that her 18-year-old daughter saw a gunman walk into the classroom and point the gun at the teacher.

"She said the teacher told the class to run, and when they did, she said she heard two more gunshots go off," said Christine Brown, who rushed from Stafford to be with her daughter.

"When I got to the front of the building, that's when I heard the second shot coming from the building, so that's when I knew it was gunshots," campus police Officer Anthony Mellis said.

People at the school panicked, NOVA student Gael Muteba said, but Prince William County police quickly responded to the campus officer's report -- "A minute or two, at least two to five police cars showed up," Muteba said -- and officers apprehended a young man in a hallway, Chinn said.

"Once the other officers showed up, we formed our team, we went directly to the area, found the individual sitting on a chair outside Room 412," Mellis said. "We were already down the hallway, so when we peered around the corner, we saw him so we challenged him and we had him come toward us, and that's when he confirmed that he was the one who actually fired the shots."

No injuries were reported.

The suspect, 20-year-old Jason Hamilton, of Manassas, is charged with attempted murder and discharge of a firearm in a school zone, police said.

Police tactical teams are performing a room-by-room safety sweep of the locked down school. Police are talking to students and trying to find witnesses to the incident. Students and staff are gradually being released as the sweep is conducted.


It probably isn't significant on a national/international scale but it happened about a mile from my house. I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies.

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I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies.

Presumably so you don't get gunmen on campus.
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"I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies."

How about this situation: The gunman enters the room. Shots fired. Everyone then pulls out their guns and shoots the attacker. Then the police arrive on the scene, notice everyone has guns, and don't know who to question or who was really the attacker.

Or how about if a gunshot is heard, and another person runs into the room with a gun to help save the other people. He gets in, tries to stop it, but then another person runs in with another gun, and shoots the person trying to save the people in the first place.

Or how about if one of the saviors bullets hit an innocent student and kills them?

There should be NO guns allowed on school property unless carried by an officer of the law. Period.

There are too many what ifs to effectively allow anybody else to carry a gun.
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"I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies."

How about this situation: The gunman enters the room. Shots fired. Everyone then pulls out their guns and shoots the attacker. Then the police arrive on the scene, notice everyone has guns, and don't know who to question or who was really the attacker.

Or how about if a gunshot is heard, and another person runs into the room with a gun to help save the other people. He gets in, tries to stop it, but then another person runs in with another gun, and shoots the person trying to save the people in the first place.

Or how about if one of the saviors bullets hit an innocent student and kills them?

There should be NO guns allowed on school property unless carried by an officer of the law. Period.

There are too many what ifs to effectively allow anybody else to carry a gun.


I don't want to make too many assumptions, but I think that (bolded) may have been what he was getting at.
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It probably isn't significant on a national/international scale but it happened about a mile from my house. I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies.

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Ya, I mean having a whole bunch of people with guns would prevent a shooting like this. Especially if they were trained.

Hell, it'd be even better if they were all soldiers.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/fort-hood-texas-shooting

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"I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies."

How about this situation: The gunman enters the room. Shots fired. Everyone then pulls out their guns and shoots the attacker. Then the police arrive on the scene, notice everyone has guns, and don't know who to question or who was really the attacker.

Or how about if a gunshot is heard, and another person runs into the room with a gun to help save the other people. He gets in, tries to stop it, but then another person runs in with another gun, and shoots the person trying to save the people in the first place.

Or how about if one of the saviors bullets hit an innocent student and kills them?

There should be NO guns allowed on school property unless carried by an officer of the law. Period.

There are too many what ifs to effectively allow anybody else to carry a gun.


This exactly. Every word.

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I don't want to make too many assumptions, but I think that (bolded) may have been what he was getting at.

This.

I think the main difficulty with that here in Canada is the fact that so many private companies are hired as campus security and to my knowledge they are not allowed to carry firearms. Personally I see that as a good thing because they are not bound by the same use of force rules that the police are, nor do they receive even close to the same kinds of training.

Also, it is my opinion that allowing people to carry guns on campus (security or not) puts people at even more risk of being shot at school. You're still more likely to be hit by lightning than you are to be shot at school and allowing the carrying of guns on campus may only just increase that risk.
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100% of shootings happened because someone had a gun.



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Okay, I admit to my comment being somewhat loaded and I apologize.

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"I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies."

How about this situation: The gunman enters the room. Shots fired. Everyone then pulls out their guns and shoots the attacker. Then the police arrive on the scene, notice everyone has guns, and don't know who to question or who was really the attacker.

Or how about if a gunshot is heard, and another person runs into the room with a gun to help save the other people. He gets in, tries to stop it, but then another person runs in with another gun, and shoots the person trying to save the people in the first place.

Or how about if one of the saviors bullets hit an innocent student and kills them?

There should be NO guns allowed on school property unless carried by an officer of the law. Period.

There are too many what ifs to effectively allow anybody else to carry a gun.


I am not proposing that schools encourage that everyone in the building carry a weapon. I merely think that those who licensed (if the carrier's state requires) and chooses to be afforded the same rights on campus as they are elsewhere. Considering the relatively small amount of people that CC, I find it overwhelmingly unlikely that a situation would arise where "everyone would pull out there gun" and a Hollywood-esque firefight would ensue. The average "gun fight" lasts less than 10 seconds with less than 4 shots fired (slightly more assuming both parties are armed). Statistics really don't support any of those points.

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Ya, I mean having a whole bunch of people with guns would prevent a shooting like this. Especially if they were trained.

Hell, it'd be even better if they were all soldiers.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/fort-hood-texas-shooting

...oh shit


Have you ever been on a military installation? There aren't gun-toting soldiers everywhere. I grew up on military bases and, with the exception of MPs/security personnel, I can recall ONE occasion where I encountered a soldier with a weapon (and no ammunition). If you recall correctly, Major Hasan carried out his attack without significant resistance, until armed police could respond.
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^^ And I'm pretty sure there were friendly fire casualties aswell.
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I haven't read/heard that in any report regarding the Ft. Hood shooting. Do you have a source or are you merely speculating like you were with you prior post?

Edit: To add to my response to Ur all $h1t's post...

President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Paul Helmke, said that "This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places." However, Lt. General Cone stated the on-base firearm policy: "As a matter of practice, we do not carry weapons on Fort Hood. This is our home." Military weapons are only used for training or by base security, and personal weapons must be kept locked away by the provost marshal. Specialist Jerry Richard, a soldier working at the Readiness Center, expressed the opinion that this policy had left them unnecessarily vulnerable to violent assaults: "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."
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I read the thread title as

"Gundam on Northern Virginia Community College Woodbridge Campus"

I have nothing else to add, besides the obligatory "Good thing no one was hurt" comment.
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I read the thread title as

"Gundam on Northern Virginia Community College Woodbridge Campus"

If that was true I'd drive there right now.
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It probably isn't significant on a national/international scale but it happened about a mile from my house. I still can't understand why college campuses think it's a good idea to enforce "gun free" policies.

Edit: fixed link

Considering the story you just posted here, I've gotta say this is one of the dumbest things I've read in a while.
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Right then, so I don't have anything to add to the off-topic argument, but does anyone know why the guy was after her? Doesn't sound like a mass murder thing or anything.

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Lol at "high-powered" rifle. I seriously doubt this guy had a .458 Lott or .50 BMG. 99.99% chance it was a random deer rifle, those words are entered into every news report about a gun for the shock value.

Most colleges are currently gun-free zones, and obviously laws tend to work only with the law-abiding. As CCW holders are among the best-behaved members of society (more law-abiding than law enforcement as a group, for an example) I wouldn't mind at all if concealed carry was allowed on college campuses. A few do currently allow it, and those definitely don't have more shootings than typical gun-free ones.

It's like when concealed carry in restaurants that serve alcohol was voted into law here in Arizona this year. Typically, a few politicians railed on about vigilantes shooting up bars and mass hysteria everywhere, ignoring the fact that this has been allowed in 40 other states with no such consequences.
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Considering the story you just posted here, I've gotta say this is one of the dumbest things I've read in a while.


Why is that? The only people that are disarmed by "gun-free" policies are law-abiding citizens that carry a firearm for defensive purposes--the "no guns" sign didn't deter this nutjob, did they?

Scenario 1: This guy decides that the only way to fully express his anger is by killing a whole bunch of people. Being that NVCC is a gun-free zone, he is, in all likelihood, the only armed person on campus, thus, he can carry out his plan with minimal (if any) resistance. He goes on executing people for five to ten minutes until law enforcement can arrive and diffuse the situation (studies have shown that, in the case of mass shootings, one can expect an average of 10 casualties per minute of response time. You do the math.)

Scenario 2: This guy decides that the only way to fully express his anger is by killing a whole bunch of people. However, Joe the CHP-holder is allowed to lawfully carry his firearm with him on campus--now the odds for aren't so great for are would-be mass murderer. Joe allowed to take charge and diffuse the situation before law enforcement is able to respond preventing casualties.

I understand those are worst and best-case scenarios but I feel they demonstrate my point. People are quick to portray those who lawfully carry a firearm as vigilantes eager to shoot anything that moves and self defense situations as wild west-style shootouts...neither could be further from the truth.

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Right then, so I don't have anything to add to the off-topic argument, but does anyone know why the guy was after her? Doesn't sound like a mass murder thing or anything.


I don't know specifically, all reports I've heard have only indicated that he was "upset". Personally, I don't care much about his intent. If you're brandishing a weapon, I have no choice but to assume that you intend to inflict harm to me or others in the vicinity. I'm not going to assume that you're "just trying to scare me" and end up dead.
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Fort Hood was a gun free zone...

Clearly it wasn't because, you know, a bunch of people got shot...
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Clearly it wasn't because, you know, a bunch of people got shot...


Are you that ****ing thick?
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Are you that ****ing thick?
No.

EDIT: Wait, how thick exactly?
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No.

EDIT: Wait, how thick exactly?


You tell me. Your initial post regarding the Ft. Hood shooting was completely inaccurate and now you're just trolling. Do you actually have an argument or are you just going to continue with you're nonsense?
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