#1
My next guitar is going to be a white ESP Eclipse with EMGs. BUT, i dont know whether its worth going for the ESP standard or just buying the LTD deluxe version.

So i turn to you UG'ers, to tell me whether the ESP is worth it, or if the LTD will get the job done just fine.
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#2
I had an LTD EC1000 deluxe, and I can honestly say that I felt it was better than an ESP standard EC.
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It's defiantly worth it mate I used to have a ltd ec-1000 and I'm so glad I ungraded to the ESP it's just better in every way =]
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#4
It depends, I love my LTD, and most of the ESP's I have played havent really come close to it. But the quality of the materials they use on the ESP is better, and they aren't machine made. I would just go down to the store and play them both. They are very similar guitars as far as sounds go, it's basically up to looks and how each one feels in your hands.
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It depends, I love my LTD, and most of the ESP's I have played havent really come close to it. But the quality of the materials they use on the ESP is better, and they aren't machine made. I would just go down to the store and play them both. They are very similar guitars as far as sounds go, it's basically up to looks and how each one feels in your hands.

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#9
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buy a ltd and get a new amp


if you're insulting my MG! no one who has heard mine in person says it sounds bad. i throw my EQ on it and it sounds magnificent. granted it is not a concert amp, but it makes a great practice amp. i am going to get a Mark V. Eventually.

But thanks for the suggestions everybody. think i'll go with the LTD. But i'll compare them side by side eventually.
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#10
For the love of god, do not get a guitar with active pickuips if you're using a solid state amp like an MG. You're just entirely defeating the point of having active pickups; you're getting all of their disadvantages with none of their advanatges. I can not stress this enough, if you don't have a naturally high-gain, all valve amp, or if you use pedals for your distortion, do not use active pickups. If you do, all you'll be doing is crippling your rig. They are a highly specialised piece of equipment that only a tiny, tiny minority opf people will get any use out of, and you certainly are not anywhere close to being one of those people. When active pickups are used right they're fantastic, but used wrong and they're terrible - in your case, they will be terrible.

As far as LTD 1000 series vs ESP goes, the ESP is the better choice. It's simply all-round a superior instrument in every way. Also note that the LTD 400/401 series really aren't any different to the 1000 series; they don't have the abalone binding and inlays and the Floyd bridges on the 400/401 models have a smaller zinc sustain block, but those are the only differences. The options are pretty clear; get the ESP if you can afford it and you want top quality, get the LTD 400/401 if money is more of a concern for you.
Frankly with your amp, you might as well just get the LTD EC-401VF with passive Seymour Duncan pickups, it will sound much better than the ESP on your current amp. Hell, you could get the LTD EC-256 and it will sound better through your amp than the EC with active EMGs will. Of course the real answer is to upgrade your amp. And before you whine, yes, it is worth doing. Everyone thinks their first little solid state practise amps sound great when they get them, and yes your family and friends probably do say it sounds great, but they don't know jack and you're clearly inexperienced. There is a reason why you don't see people like Jimmy Page, Slash, or **** even Zakk Wylde, who endorses and has his own signature MG, using MGs on stage. You don't see Clapton get up there with a Fender Frontman. Aside from a very, very select group of elitist jazz musicians, you will never see a solid state amp being used on stage, let alone with active pickups.
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For the love of god, do not get a guitar with active pickuips if you're using a solid state amp like an MG. You're just entirely defeating the point of having active pickups; you're getting all of their disadvantages with none of their advanatges. I can not stress this enough, if you don't have a naturally high-gain, all valve amp, or if you use pedals for your distortion, do not use active pickups. If you do, all you'll be doing is crippling your rig. They are a highly specialised piece of equipment that only a tiny, tiny minority opf people will get any use out of, and you certainly are not anywhere close to being one of those people. When active pickups are used right they're fantastic, but used wrong and they're terrible - in your case, they will be terrible.

As far as LTD 1000 series vs ESP goes, the ESP is the better choice. It's simply all-round a superior instrument in every way. Also note that the LTD 400/401 series really aren't any different to the 1000 series; they don't have the abalone binding and inlays and the Floyd bridges on the 400/401 models have a smaller zinc sustain block, but those are the only differences. The options are pretty clear; get the ESP if you can afford it and you want top quality, get the LTD 400/401 if money is more of a concern for you.
Frankly with your amp, you might as well just get the LTD EC-401VF with passive Seymour Duncan pickups, it will sound much better than the ESP on your current amp. Hell, you could get the LTD EC-256 and it will sound better through your amp than the EC with active EMGs will. Of course the real answer is to upgrade your amp. And before you whine, yes, it is worth doing. Everyone thinks their first little solid state practise amps sound great when they get them, and yes your family and friends probably do say it sounds great, but they don't know jack and you're clearly inexperienced. There is a reason why you don't see people like Jimmy Page, Slash, or **** even Zakk Wylde, who endorses and has his own signature MG, using MGs on stage. You don't see Clapton get up there with a Fender Frontman. Aside from a very, very select group of elitist jazz musicians, you will never see a solid state amp being used on stage, let alone with active pickups.


Did you read what he wrote?

Quote by pantallica95
if you're insulting my MG! no one who has heard mine in person says it sounds bad. i throw my EQ on it and it sounds magnificent. granted it is not a concert amp, but it makes a great practice amp. i am going to get a Mark V. Eventually.

But thanks for the suggestions everybody. think i'll go with the LTD. But i'll compare them side by side eventually.


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#12
Yeah, ''eventually''. In the mean time he gets to throw away money on a pickup change that will do shit-all for him.
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#13
Quote by MrFlibble
Yeah, ''eventually''. In the mean time he gets to throw away money on a pickup change that will do shit-all for him.


Where did he say he would be doing a pickup change? I would think if he's getting a Mark V then he'd realise that amp makes the majority of tone.
#14
Quote by MrFlibble
For the love of god, do not get a guitar with active pickuips if you're using a solid state amp like an MG. You're just entirely defeating the point of having active pickups; you're getting all of their disadvantages with none of their advanatges. I can not stress this enough, if you don't have a naturally high-gain, all valve amp, or if you use pedals for your distortion, do not use active pickups. If you do, all you'll be doing is crippling your rig. They are a highly specialised piece of equipment that only a tiny, tiny minority opf people will get any use out of, and you certainly are not anywhere close to being one of those people. When active pickups are used right they're fantastic, but used wrong and they're terrible - in your case, they will be terrible.

As far as LTD 1000 series vs ESP goes, the ESP is the better choice. It's simply all-round a superior instrument in every way. Also note that the LTD 400/401 series really aren't any different to the 1000 series; they don't have the abalone binding and inlays and the Floyd bridges on the 400/401 models have a smaller zinc sustain block, but those are the only differences. The options are pretty clear; get the ESP if you can afford it and you want top quality, get the LTD 400/401 if money is more of a concern for you.
Frankly with your amp, you might as well just get the LTD EC-401VF with passive Seymour Duncan pickups, it will sound much better than the ESP on your current amp. Hell, you could get the LTD EC-256 and it will sound better through your amp than the EC with active EMGs will. Of course the real answer is to upgrade your amp. And before you whine, yes, it is worth doing. Everyone thinks their first little solid state practise amps sound great when they get them, and yes your family and friends probably do say it sounds great, but they don't know jack and you're clearly inexperienced. There is a reason why you don't see people like Jimmy Page, Slash, or **** even Zakk Wylde, who endorses and has his own signature MG, using MGs on stage. You don't see Clapton get up there with a Fender Frontman. Aside from a very, very select group of elitist jazz musicians, you will never see a solid state amp being used on stage, let alone with active pickups.


I've heard people play EMGs into my amps, and for your information one of them has been gigging for 20+ years, and loves my amp. With my guitar (Explorer with 500T and 496R.) and his (Flying V with EMG 81s.)

You havent heard my amp+guitar+effect+me combination, so dont talk shit about something you know jack about.

Dimebag used solid state amps until the very end, and he had a great metal tone.

Jimmy Page, Slash, and Zakk Wylde also don't have the kind of tone I'm looking for. Nor do they have anything tonal in common. Slash is bluesy, Page is classic rock, Zakk is..Zakk tone haha. I'm not looking for any of those.
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#15
ESP Standard, by far. MIJ beats out MIK, especially 'cause the cuts of wood on the ESP are most likely quite a bit better, and they don't have that god-awful abalone binding.
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#16
ESP Standard hands down. Quality control AND value is superior.
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#17
Quote by pantallica95
I've heard people play EMGs into my amps, and for your information one of them has been gigging for 20+ years, and loves my amp. With my guitar (Explorer with 500T and 496R.) and his (Flying V with EMG 81s.)

You havent heard my amp+guitar+effect+me combination, so dont talk shit about something you know jack about.

Dimebag used solid state amps until the very end, and he had a great metal tone.

Jimmy Page, Slash, and Zakk Wylde also don't have the kind of tone I'm looking for. Nor do they have anything tonal in common. Slash is bluesy, Page is classic rock, Zakk is..Zakk tone haha. I'm not looking for any of those.


You, sir, are using a Marshall MG250DFX. That is a solid-state amp. Solid-State amps+Actives=clipping & dead & sterile tone. So either you buy a guitar with actives and get a decent tube amp, you swap the actives to passives or you do nothing a deal with a shitty(IMO) tone.
Dime used solid state amps with passive pickups(BL500xl) but in the end he changed to tube amps, a modified Krank Rev+ if I recall correctly. The reason he used solid states was because solid states had more gain, that was until Krank offered him an amp with the benefits of both worlds.
What sort of tone are you looking for? If you could try to describe it we could help.
#18
Overall, the LTD will never boast the same specs and quality materials of the higher end ESP. Playing both an LTD horizon and the ESP variant, and this will be very, very clear. The workmanship is light years apart on the ESP and the LTD...

That being said, most LTDs aren't bad guitars by any means, this just goes to show how finely executed the ESPs are.

As for the MG250DFX, the amp isn't as terrible as most people think it is... it'll never be a full tube beast like the other Marshalls, but its a perfect placeholder until hes ready to upgrade.
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#19
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Dimebag used solid state amps until the very end, and he had a great metal tone.


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1. Dime switched to Krank tube amps in the end
2. His PLAYING was superb and godly, but i'm very sorry, his actual tone sucked ass if you ask me. Too scooped, to harsh, unarticulated in the riffs, muddy, ...
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#20
If they are the same price, go for the ESP, if not, go for the LTD.

LTD is more for what your paying...
#21
ESP's are the better guitar but it depends on how you play. go down and try both of them before buying one.
#22
Quote by BandanaWedgie
If they are the same price, go for the ESP, if not, go for the LTD.

LTD is more for what your paying...

May I ask how much experience you, as 13 year old, have with ESP's and high end LTD's?

If my suspicion is correct, i would ask you to not give advice about stuff you dont know shit about.
If you say I'm wrong, i personally still don't believe you, but I apologise.
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#23
Quote by LP_CL
If my suspicion is correct, i would ask you to not give advice about stuff you dont know shit about.
If you say I'm wrong, i personally still don't believe you, but I apologise.


No need to be a dick about this, but I tried an ESP M-II in a store, thought it was amazing.

I also tried a Gibson Explorer Robot (didn't realise what it did at the time), Gibson Flying V 1968, ESP LTD Alexi-600, a Dean Razorback 255, a Dean Razorback standard, an Ibanez Xiphos (the 7 string version) and an LTD EX-400.

So, you still don't believe me, but there is my proof.

EDIT: More about this event, the LTD(s) were good, but I found I would have rather bought the ESP, not too sure why.
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#24
Quote by BandanaWedgie
No need to be a dick about this, but I tried an ESP M-II in a store, thought it was amazing.

I also tried a Gibson Explorer Robot (didn't realise what it did at the time), Gibson Flying V 1968, ESP LTD Alexi-600, a Dean Razorback 255, a Dean Razorback standard, an Ibanez Xiphos (the 7 string version) and an LTD EX-400.

So, you still don't believe me, but there is my proof.

EDIT: More about this event, the LTD(s) were good, but I found I would have rather bought the ESP, not too sure why.

Sure, i DO believe you. You have no experience with high end LTD's and ESP's. Playing 1 esp and 2 ltd's for 15 minutes in a store doesn't really give you a clue tbh.
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