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Hello everybody. I just wanted to see if anybody shares my opinion, or has anything to say to this.

Metal, and the more rare, underground metal mainly, has suffered a fatal blow from websites, in the vein of youtube. The music we listen to has become a commodity, where it before was hard to obtain, and great to have, you can just go, write in the name, and up it pops.

Too many times have i seen records, that has been worldwide limited to 200-500 copies worldwide, in full length on youtube. These records used to be for the people who really WANTED the music and the containments, it used to be something special and rare, which later grew to be one of the traits that personified Underground Metal.

It just, in short, tears me up from the inside, that people who have no dedication, no love, and no feel for the genre, can sit back in their chair, press a button, and listen to some of the most rare and hard-to-obtain recordings that has been released at all.

Does people agree, or do i just not go with the times? It should of course be mentioned that i am an eager Vinyl collector, and truly do value these rare pieces of art of which i speak.
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#3
2 sided knife there buddy, 1 side, your point. The other, the fact that all these bands are getting boatloads more exposure.
#4
Stop being such a little pansy.
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#6
You sound like you're jealous. I highly doubt any of those bands are getting mad about the exposure they're getting. It's helping their success. Be happy for them.
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#7
Only kvlt black metal bedroom kiddies purposefully release albums in small amounts because they're too good for the masses.
#8
I think its fine honestly, its not like its alowed on youtube though. Eventually those tracks get taken down but i think that its a good system. As an artist myself if my music got out there like that and had fans world wide thanks to some guy ripping my disc onto a computer then thats an amazing thing. Music shouldn't be so comercial.
its a great thing to have someone listen to your music and actually enjoy it, as an artist THAT should be your goal, not the paycheque. If your good enough they'll still buy your album
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#11
Completely agreed man, the people in the bands I enjoy are probably seething with anger over the fact that they're getting more exposure now, and maybe even selling a few more records as a result. F***ing bullshit is what I call that. Speaking for myself, I can only say that it would be a tragic blow to my spirit if more metal bands from overseas had the financial support and name recognition to come over here and tour the US.
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#12
In all seriousness, I think it's the fact that the once hard-to-obtain music that you worked so hard to get is now available to the masses at the click of a button. That makes you feel like your grueling search for the limited-release underground music has been nullified by some moron who posted the entire thing on YouTube for regular jerkoffs like me who aren't as motivated as you to obtain such hard-to-get records. That's probably it.
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#13
You're silly.
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#14
for one, nothing will beat owning the album. besides, it's more downloading that is killing music than youtube, seeing as people want 10,000 albums they will never listen to on their ipod.

it does piss me off that entire albums are on youtube, but there is a point to a few songs being on there; people like me, who can't afford many cd's, like to check bands out before we buy albums.

also, if they're listening to it, but on youtube, that doesn't mean they don't have a 'feel for the genre.' if they like it, they like it. for example, i don't see why i should have to know every single major black metal band before i get into a lesser-known one. if i like the band, i'll listen to them.
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#15
The only thing I understood from your post is that you don't think there's any good out of marketing music on the internet.

However, Youtube and Myspace are awesome. I don't know any music group that doesn't aim for exposure and you DEFINITELY get exposure that way.
#16
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Oh my god, stop.
You sound like an ANUSite, minus the half-logical reasoning behind your half-witted statements.
Do you have any facts? Any ratios, precentage, rough estimate, an unofficial survey, ANYTHING beyond what you read on the MA/MS forums about the average metal fan's attitude to deathcore?
Do you have any idea how idiotic your statements sound, what with half the bands that come from Sweden promoting this whole "metal as a state of mind" attitude, that is obviously so different than an offshoot scene. I mean, they wear fringes, your friends have long hair, you both think each other suck and need to get bashed in, and both of you think that you are a deadly social toxin to each of your respective precious scenes?
THE METAL SCENE IS BULLSHIT! THERE IS NO IDEALOGY! Varg preaches hate, Masvidal preaches love, Jourgensen is left-wing, Hetfield is right-wing, Petrozza tells us to stand together against the common enemy, Anselmo tells us that only you can save yourself, Gojira save the trees, Destroyer 666 destroy the world, Slayer promote sticking to your roots, Opeth encourage you to experiment, prog evolves, doom devolves, WHERE IS THE UNITY? There is none! There never was! Venom turned the whole bowl upside down because they didn't understand what Sabbath were trying to say, and it's been going on like that ever since!
Deathcore doesn't have any message other than "play music, it's good for you, and very fun", just like every other genre, in every other music, all around the world! Shove this whole metal ideology thing up your ass, because you clearly don't know what the **** it isn't about!
Deadit: For the record, I can't stand deathcore, I do think it should be here rather than the hardcore forum.
Magero, sorry for further derailing.


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#17
Quote by Northernmight
Hello everybody. I just wanted to see if anybody shares my opinion, or has anything to say to this.

Metal, and the more rare, underground metal mainly, has suffered a fatal blow from websites, in the vein of youtube. The music we listen to has become a commodity, where it before was hard to obtain, and great to have, you can just go, write in the name, and up it pops.

Too many times have i seen records, that has been worldwide limited to 200-500 copies worldwide, in full length on youtube. These records used to be for the people who really WANTED the music and the containments, it used to be something special and rare, which later grew to be one of the traits that personified Underground Metal.

It just, in short, tears me up from the inside, that people who have no dedication, no love, and no feel for the genre, can sit back in their chair, press a button, and listen to some of the most rare and hard-to-obtain recordings that has been released at all.

Does people agree, or do i just not go with the times? It should of course be mentioned that i am an eager Vinyl collector, and truly do value these rare pieces of art of which i speak.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsxoei6OykM

Maybe you're onto something...
#18
If you were trvlly kvlt, the music you listen to wouldn't even be on Youtube
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#20
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It just, in short, tears me up from the inside, that people who have no dedication, no love, and no feel for the genre, can sit back in their chair, press a button, and listen to some of the most rare and hard-to-obtain recordings that has been released at all.



because metal should not be handed out to the masses, it is for only the select few
#22
Quote by Northernmight
records, that has been worldwide limited to 200-500 copies worldwide, in full length on youtube. These records used to be for the people who really WANTED the music and the containments, it used to be something special and rare, which later grew to be one of the traits that personified Underground Metal.

Mm-hm, mm-hm, yes, yes.

And what if, bear with me now, 501 people really WANTED the music?

On a more serious note, seriously, what the hell people, sharing music with people who may want to listen to it and giving bands free promotion, thereby increasing record sales and concert attendees? Have you no sense of honor?
#23
Don't worry. All this does is expose the scene to people, and the ones who really like the song will probably go and buy the material even if it cost 80 bucks on ebay because only 500 were printed.We can romanticize about the glory days of tape trading and metal being something you have to spend hours mailing back and forth notes and driving for 3 hours to obtain.But believe me one of two things will happen when that random person stumbled upon it on youtube. Either A.they'll dismiss it, or B It'll spark their interest to get more involved with the underground and probably even go buy some albums,see shows and support these bands( the ones who are still around at least).
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#24
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2 sided knife there buddy, 1 side, your point. The other, the fact that all these bands are getting boatloads more exposure.

Exactly.

Crazy stupid OP.
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#26
No, you're an idiot and I disagree and shit.

People who don't love the music won't bother looking for less popular bands on youtube. Underground bands getting more exposure is the opposite of "killing metal". And how is it more of a commodity if it's available for anyone to appreciate, instead of being a limited physical thing that has to be found and bought to be heard?

Your argument is made of fags
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#28
I don't care, I get the vinyls cheaper if it's a big problem! (original 2x LP of Sodom - Mortal Way of Live in original plastic sleeve for $50. win) This issue with the net and exposing underground metal has been going on for a long time. Anyone remember Audiogalaxy when it was a web based p2p thingy where you had a little 3rd party program to monitor your downloads? That was the shit, because you would just click on "other users also listened too..." and you would follow on and find heaps of stuff. It was heaps easier than what we did before that - tape trade.

And metal on youtube is handy. My band covers Pestilence - Parricide live (among a few others) and I don't have Malleus Maleficarum. First thing I did was look it up on youtube and now I practice to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4313Ih-etE

hell, I can even find shit that people have uploaded of my old bands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy_DdESzG8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtRlWwB9WuY&feature=related

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#29
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If you were trvlly kvlt, the music you listen to wouldn't even be on Youtube


My band is so underground, we have no songs, no recordings and no fans, just a riff that we hum to each other. We don't wanna sell out by playing it on our instruments!
#30
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Get with the times, Grandpa.

I agree with TS but that was ****ing hilarious to see as the first post.
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#31
I'm so Kvlt I saw a band by myself in an underground venue and then when they finished I killed them so I'd be the only one who saw them.

If YOU really cared about the music, you would be happy for the band getting exposure and actually making a bit of money for their efforts from increased show attendence. You clearly only care about having something rare you can gloat about.
#32
Youtube sound is shit, it's all compressed, I can't stand to listen to music on there for too long.
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#33
My band is so kvlt, all of the other members are guys who work on a construction site I walk past every day.

I haven't asked them to join yet.
#34
Well I always thought as a musician, you would be happy that more people heard your music.

The only people that aren't benefiting from obscure material being uploaded on youtube is the grim, kvlt black metal warriors who sits in their moms basements and flexes their e-penises on various forums, because they know of a band that only three people have heard of.
#35
its all about the increased flow of information in this day and age, a sign of the times and something we all have to live with.
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#36
I'm perfectly content with how things are going, I'd "the glory days of metal" are just as much now, as they were then. Well, if I believed in the whole "glory days" bs
#37
Personally, I think the internet is great for finding out about music. I don't really care if some snot nosed kid finds Von on Metal Archives and goes "Wow wee, I'll be so kvlt when I tell my friends about this!". The music still means the same thing to me, even if some idiot is just skipping through a phase in their life. Most people like the ones that are complained about don't last, so I wouldn't worry about it.

The only thing that bothers me is the glut of crap I have to wade through to find one damn good thing because a billion idiots decided to make a band and slap it up on Myspace/Youtube. It's a pretty big waste of time to flip through page after page of some fourteen year old's black metal project in the middle of Wisconsin.

Either way, trend hoppers don't last. That's why they're called trend hoppers.
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#38
Well. I could voice my opinion on this, but it has already been voiced by the rest of you. Very unbalanced discussion ^^

I'm just waiting for the OP's comeback :P
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#39
.. Wow, i see that there is not many people who agree. Quite a surprise actually..

But, i can ensure you that it is not all bands who wish for every jerk and their half-witted brother to listen to their music. You are completely misguided if you think that everyone wants more "exposure", some does actually make music for the sake of making music, and not to get people to listen to it.

You may not understand that at all, but i still say.. Music, in general, is an art, and not a commodity, and it should not be.

it has nothing to do with tr00-kvlt-pisstake thing that half of you are going on about. It has something to do with the value of music, and being true to the music that you are creating.

It really has something to do with two very basic things. Dignity and honor.. Well, that and just bloody sense.


Life is simple, huh?
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#40
The threadstarter is special. Special people need their special needs tended to.

All has been said that needs to be said by everyone here. I think exposure is great too, and youtube is one of those tools that allows that to happen. It's important for most bands who aren't Devil Doll.
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