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#1
I'm usually on the side of the police when things like this happen, but I am having a hard time believing that this wasn't a bit over the top...

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=11677066#

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http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=11683007

EDIT: Sorry... She was 62...
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#3
She was an old woman with a weapon that is only effective at close range. Use of firearms is definitely not justified in this case. At most rubber bullets or something.
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#5
Should have aimed for the legs if they were going to shoot at all.
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#6
Yeah, this was just a bit over the top.
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The Blade reports Murphy had her hands under a pillow. Police eventually used a taser on her, which did not work. The newspaper reports that police say Murphy lunged at them with scissors, and then four shots were fired.

Family friend Michelle Tate says the woman suffered from schizophrenia, depression, bi-polar disorder and also had a bad heart.


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#8
I'm more distracted by the fact you've been here over 8 years...
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#10
Wow. That seems a bit excessive, but I guess she did try to attack them. Still, she probably didn't even know what she was doing.
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#12
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It sounds to me like the woman was having a schizophrenic episode...

More like scissorfrantic.
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#13
After seeing the trailer for Legion, I don't trust old ladies anymore.
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#14
oh well. and when i say oh well. i mean oh well. if a police officer has to shoot, they should shoot to kill since their lifes are endangered, and if they do not act, other lives will be too. yes, she was 62, and it is sad, but what must be done must be done. the taser didnt work, so they at least tried to use non lethal weapons. and if you think im a heartless bastard, i agree, i dont have much faith in humans as people as it is.
#17
If it said "62 year old woman kills cop with scissors" people would probably wonder why the cop didn't shoot her. It's a lose-lose situation.
#18
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If it said "62 year old woman kills cop with scissors" people would probably wonder why the cop didn't shoot her. It's a lose-lose situation.

You can shoot someone in the legs, or elsewhere other than the torso and it will both immobilize them and leave them with a good chance of surviving the wounds.
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#19
She lunged at them from close range with a weapon that could have badly injured or killed them. They had already tried to reason with her and then taser her. What the fuck else should they have done?
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#20
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She lunged at them from close range with a weapon that could have badly injured or killed them. They had already tried to reason with her and then taser her. What the fuck else should they have done?

1. Shoot her legs

2. Use the batons they have.
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If it said "62 year old woman kills cop with scissors" people would probably wonder why the cop didn't shoot her. It's a lose-lose situation.

Except no.

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She lunged at them from close range with a weapon that could have badly injured or killed them. They had already tried to reason with her and then taser her. What the fuck else should they have done?


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#22
why would you need to shoot a 62 year old woman? if she had a bad heart then you'd be able to outrun her
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#23
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You can shoot someone in the legs, or elsewhere other than the torso and it will both immobilize them and leave them with a good chance of surviving the wounds.


Except for the fact that any competent shooting instructor will tell you that you always aim at center mass, i.e. the chest. Shooting someone in the legs is for the movies, which aren't terribly good sources of accurate information.
#24
Shoot her in the legs? Rubber bullets??? Y'all watch too many movies...
#25
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Should have aimed for the legs if they were going to shoot at all.

No. There's a few of these in every shooting thread. Using a gun is using lethal force, no matter where you shoot the person. Shooting for center mass has a much higher chance of stopping the person, therefore that is the shot law enforcement officers are trained to take.

I don't know enough about the shooting to personally pass judgement on the officer, but it takes very little time to run to someone and stab them. 62 year old or not.
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That is VERY over the top.
She should have been in the clear. She had the excuse.
She suffered from a bad heart.


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#27
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Except no.

Oh, well when you make a point that strong it's hard for me to argue...
#28
ummm anyone who thinks cops are justified are idiots. Cops are almost never s,pose to use their guns except in rare cases which endangers other. Shes a 64 yr old woman. How the fukn hell did she survive a tazer? bull *SHIT*. most army rangers go down from a good tazer so no, shes not a superhuman. And shes prolly not atletic so I could prolly take her down. Some crazy 17 yr old bitch ran at me w/ a knife & I took her down. not gf
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You can shoot someone in the legs, or elsewhere other than the torso and it will both immobilize them and leave them with a good chance of surviving the wounds.

Cops are trained to aim for the torso. As somebody else said, aiming for the legs usually only works in movies and would be a horribly stupid decision in real life. If somebody is running at you, the chances of you actually hitting the legs is extremely small. If my life is in danger, I'm not going to risk getting killed just to maybe save some lady who's trying to kill me.

It's not like they ran in and started shooting. They tried to reason with her, then tried to use nonlethal weapons to subdue her. THEN she lunged at them with scissors. They did exactly what they were supposed to do.
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ummm anyone who thinks cops are justified are idiots. Cops are almost never s,pose to use their guns except in rare cases which endangers other. Shes a 64 yr old woman. How the fukn hell did she survive a tazer? bull *SHIT*. most army rangers go down from a good tazer so no, shes not a superhuman. And shes prolly not atletic so I could prolly take her down. Some crazy 17 yr old bitch ran at me w/ a knife & I took her down. not gf


Holy shit dude, you're really tough. If I was a girl, I'd want to bear your children.
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damn Thepredster you are sooo badass, remind me not to send my bitch to fight you
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She lunged at them from close range with a weapon that could have badly injured or killed them. They had already tried to reason with her and then taser her. What the fuck else should they have done?

1. Shoot her legs

2. Use the batons they have.
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#33
schizophrenia, depression, bi-polar disorder and also had a bad heart
natural selection, folks.

Actually, I'm fairly sure that people with "mental disorders" are the better ones and us normal folk are the ones with a disability. But yeah, as previously stated, there are plenty of other things that could have been done other than shooting the woman 4 times.
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1. Shoot her legs

2. Use the batons they have.

From the article it seemed like it was a "2 seconds to act or you get stabbed" kinda thing. If she'd been standing, like, ten feet away, yeah shoot her leg or something. But if she's close enough to lunge it won't make a difference until AFTER she's stabbed you.

Also keep in mind they didn't know what kind of weapon she had.
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#35
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Holy shit dude, you're really tough. If I was a girl, I'd want to bear your children.

Since I sense sarcasm. I'm gonna go head and call you a prick. I didn't say that to sound tough but to be realistic about this situation. I was 16 or 15 at the time.
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#36
I think some people are forgetting the cop shot her four times. You think the power of one bullet to the chest would be enough to drive an old woman back.
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please read other post. If your still a douche go fuk urself.
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#38
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ummm anyone who thinks cops are justified are idiots. Cops are almost never s,pose to use their guns except in rare cases which endangers other. Shes a 64 yr old woman. How the fukn hell did she survive a tazer? bull *SHIT*. most army rangers go down from a good tazer so no, shes not a superhuman. And shes prolly not atletic so I could prolly take her down. Some crazy 17 yr old bitch ran at me w/ a knife & I took her down. not gf

First of all, get off of this site and do some homework or something. It's like you're trying to spell everything wrong. It's impossible for anybody to take you seriously when you type like a 5-year-old with cerebral palsy.

Cops are allowed to use guns when their lives are endangered. A lady with scissors was running at them. That's a life threatening situation.
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#40
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Except for the fact that any competent shooting instructor will tell you that you always aim at center mass, i.e. the chest. Shooting someone in the legs is for the movies, which aren't terribly good sources of accurate information.

Nobody can run with a blown kneecap.

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Cops are trained to aim for the torso. As somebody else said, aiming for the legs usually only works in movies and would be a horribly stupid decision in real life. If somebody is running at you, the chances of you actually hitting the legs is extremely small. If my life is in danger, I'm not going to risk getting killed just to maybe save some lady who's trying to kill me.

It's not like they ran in and started shooting. They tried to reason with her, then tried to use nonlethal weapons to subdue her. THEN she lunged at them with scissors. They did exactly what they were supposed to do.

Well then they should be trained to be good shots period and use their judgment on the best location to shoot at in each situation.

The chance is only small if you aren't trained for it.
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