#1
So we need a P.A. for our basement to use for practicing, how much wattage is appropriate?
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i hav a 15 watt line six spider 3 and it gets loud but prob not loud enough u may wanna look at sum 30's or even 50's
#4
PA wattage should be a lot more than amp wattage...as far as I know anyway...

What 311ZOSOVHJH said looks right.
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i hav a 15 watt line six spider 3 and it gets loud but prob not loud enough u may wanna look at sum 30's or even 50's


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i hav a 15 watt line six spider 3 and it gets loud but prob not loud enough u may wanna look at sum 30's or even 50's


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#9
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i hav a 15 watt line six spider 3 and it gets loud but prob not loud enough u may wanna look at sum 30's or even 50's


Addim809, i think you are the most oblivious dumb **** in the godamn world. You retarded kids who cant spell and play with ****ing Line 6 spiders make me want to kill people like YOU over and over again. I hope you do realize he said a PA system. Let me repeat this clearly.. a PA system. Open your eyes and actually read next time (if your capable), thank you and go die, your parents hate you.
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#10
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Addim809, i think you are the most oblivious dumb **** in the godamn world. You retarded kids who cant spell and play with ****ing Line 6 spiders make me want to kill people like YOU over and over again. I hope you do realize he said a PA system. Let me repeat this clearly.. a PA system. Open your eyes and actually read next time (if your capable), thank you and go die, your parents hate you.



Dude, not cool, you dont need to be flaming like this, he could of been jokeing.
#12
I'm a noob but let's assume you have 2 guitarists each with a 100w amp. Then 1 bassist with a 300w amp.

100 + 100 + 300

I agree that 600 watts for a PA in a basement sounds huge but it depends on what you are doing too right? Why do you need a PA in the first place? Is it to add vocals and drums and other stuff?


(I'm going to shut up now because I have no idea)
#13
You guys are right.. that was rude, and not reasonable. Addim809, your parents dont hate you, They just LOATHE YOU! because you say dumb ass stuff on a guitar forum that doesnt help anyone. At all.
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#14
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
I'm a noob but let's assume you have 2 guitarists each with a 100w amp. Then 1 bassist with a 300w amp.

100 + 100 + 300

I agree that 600 watts for a PA in a basement sounds huge but it depends on what you are doing too right? Why do you need a PA in the first place? Is it to add vocals and drums and other stuff?


(I'm going to shut up now because I have no idea)



Its ok man, but its a PA in a basement, makes me think this thread is a troll thread or something. I already explained what TS needs though, just a vocal amp, not a PA system, unless they want to play at large gigs.

Learn something new ever day eh?
#15
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Um, if your playing in a basement, your not gona want a PA, you just want a voice amp, so prolly 30 to 50 watts would do fine. PA systems are for large venues and gigs and usually have over 1000 watts, and cost pertty penny.


Completely wrong.

They make lower wattage PA systems (I've seen them around 100 watts before) that don't cost more than a couple hundred dollars.

Also, most bands (not all, but most) practice with a PA system.
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You guys are right.. that was rude, and not reasonable. Addim809, your parents dont hate you, They just LOATHE YOU! because you say dumb ass stuff on a guitar forum that doesnt help anyone. At all.


*Reported*

If your just going to flame noobs and not help with the thread then GTFO.

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#17
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I agree that 600 watts for a PA in a basement sounds huge but it depends on what you are doing too right? Why do you need a PA in the first place? Is it to add vocals and drums and other stuff?


Good point. A club-worthy P.A. system would deafen you if used in a basement, but to determine how much power you need requires that you first decide what you are going to run through it. If you will use it only for vocals, then 100 watts is plenty for practice. But if you plan on running drums and perhaps even the bass through it, then you will need more power. You will also need more power if you are running large cabinets, and if you are running monitors in addition to the main cabinets.
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Addim809, i think you are the most oblivious dumb **** in the godamn world. You retarded kids who cant spell and play with ****ing Line 6 spiders make me want to kill people like YOU over and over again. I hope you do realize he said a PA system. Let me repeat this clearly.. a PA system. Open your eyes and actually read next time (if your capable), thank you and go die, your parents hate you.

That post was sadder than the one you quoted. You. Need. To. Get. A. Life.

And you shouldn't be telling others to spell correctly when you can't tell the difference between your and you're. Or remember to put an apostrophe in can't. Moron.
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Good point. A club-worthy P.A. system would deafen you if used in a basement, but to determine how much power you need requires that you first decide what you are going to run through it. If you will use it only for vocals, then 100 watts is plenty for practice. But if you plan on running drums and perhaps even the bass through it, then you will need more power. You will also need more power if you are running large cabinets, and if you are running monitors in addition to the main cabinets.



Thank you. Logic prevails. I actually missed the basement part before
#20
Messed up thread is messed up.


acdclandon: You'll get more useful replies if you put more info in your OP. How much power the other amps have, if they're cranked, if there are only vocals or if there are also keys, etc that will be run through the PA. Things like that.

You might wanna go larger than necessary so you can use it at small gigs when the time comes. You can use something much larger than necessary and just turn the volume down on it, in the basement.


SilverWing101: You have a grand total of 3 posts on UG. The 2 in this thread are hideous. Maybe you need a vacation or smth? idk.

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TS, I would say that 200W should be plenty for most practice situations.

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#23
Double the amps usually works out about right, but going bigger can help, and not just with volume.

We practice in a pretty small room, with about 100 total watts of UN-cranked guitar, and 200 watts of bass, and we use a 2000 watt board.

+1 to SYK's suggestion of getting bigger than you need, it's also our gig PA.
But the difference was HUGE compared to using our ratty 600 watt box.

With the larger units, not only are you not pushing what it can do, you're upgrading pretty heavily on specs and features.
A little guy may be loud enough, but it also may suck...
Pretty de-motivating.

All comes down to the dollars, I guess.
#24
We'll use it for vocals at least, and possibly guitars/bass if needed.

We have two SoundTech speakers which are 300 watts Peak, could we just get a 200 too each side powered mixer?
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#25
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We'll use it for vocals at least, and possibly guitars/bass if needed.

We have two SoundTech speakers which are 300 watts Peak, could we just get a 200 too each side powered mixer?


That sounds good for vocals, but I don't think it's going to run your guitars/bass.

An acoustic plugged straight in, no prob, but when you say guitars, are you talking micing your amps? If so, no way. Or just going to the board for practice purposes? That might work (ick), but not over a loud drummer.
#26
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That sounds good for vocals, but I don't think it's going to run your guitars/bass.

An acoustic plugged straight in, no prob, but when you say guitars, are you talking micing your amps? If so, no way. Or just going to the board for practice purposes? That might work (ick), but not over a loud drummer.


Yeah micing the amps.

Our drummer is very loud. It's just for practice and to be heard, but we'd like to make it so we can halfway gig at smaller venues with it too if possible.
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#27
Urk, no good advice for you here, man.
At a gig, we have 2 smaller 15" JBL 3-ways on poles, 2 big EV 2x18" 3-ways on the ground, plus 2 15" Samson 2-ways for monitors run by the 2000 watt board, and we have trouble being heard over an un-mic'd drummer...
There's no way we could mic our amps even with this rig.

Keep in mind, we're LOUD, and also have halfstacks for gigging, but 400 watts would get you vocals, very little else.
#28
I don know what your set up is, but mine at my church is for a 200x100 foot room, respectivly, and we have 2 power amps, one 500 watt for monitors, and 1 1000 watt for 2 15 in PA speakers running through a 16 channel mixer board, but we run everything through the PA, guitars, panio, vocals, bass. It works fine, so you prolly dont need something as drasitc as what were using.

But looking through my magazine, found some neat small portable PA systems, one is an Peavey Escort 3000, 150 watts per channel, with a powered mixer for about $700.

Yamaha Stage pass 300 or 500, has a power mixer also, but is 300w or 500w total depending on which one you buy.

You dont need anything too big unless you plan on running guitar or bass through them also.
#29
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You dont need anything too big unless you plan on running guitar or bass through them also.


I believe he does.
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I believe he does.



Well, I can reccomend a tone of great PA set ups, I have my Sweet Water Progear magazine handy so I can name them and give modle numbers. I just to know TS's Budget and what he wants to use it for exactly.
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Well, I can reccomend a tone of great PA set ups, I have my Sweet Water Progear magazine handy so I can name them and give modle numbers. I just to know TS's Budget and what he wants to use it for exactly.


Like I said:

-mainly in basement for practice
-also want to be able to use it for small gigs
-for 2-3 mics for vocals, more like 1-2
-possibly micing guitar/bass/drums if we need too balance the sound
-Our budget isn't too great but here's the catch


We already have some stuff.

We just don't know:

-how to work it
-if it will work

A crest audio 1500 watt power amp. (750 to both channels)

And 2 12" Soundtech speakers, with a peak wattage of about 300.

Any recommendation?
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Like I said:

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A crest audio 1500 watt power amp. (750 to both channels)

And 2 12" Soundtech speakers, with a peak wattage of about 300.

Any recommendation?


What you have is perfect, my church uses a 850watt Yamaha power amp, with a chunck of sodder acting as the main fuse .(dont do this btw)

But all you need now is some cables to power the speakers, you can use either heavy guage speaker wire and rig jacks on them, or spend some money and get actual speaker cables. Then you need some 50ft XLR cables for the mics, and a mixer.

For the mixer, look for anything by Mackie, or any of the high end companies, but it seems like you might want an 8 channel mixer, just in case.

Theres a couple of em fro about $200, like the 802-VLZ3 by Mackie for one, might be good, and you should get some Sure SM57 and SM 58 if you can afford them. The SM57 is for micing up drums, bass, guitar and the SM58 is for vocals.

You have a big chunck of what you need already, but your going to have to spend prolly another $500 to 1000 to get the rest.