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#1
We all know about the cheap-o's that don't sound so great (the MGs, Spiders, Valvetronix, etc.), but...


...anyone ever try and expensive amp and HATE IT?


I know I have.

I jammed on a Classic 50 that belonged to a friend of mine and I really, really didn't like it. It seems really "honk-y" and weak to me; definitely not an amp I'll be perchasing.

Another friend of mine has a XXX and while it does achieve some pretty good modern tones, I can't stand the "raspy-ness" of the amp. It seems like there's a constant "hissss" underneath everything played on the amp....ugh.

Anyone else play through expensive/nice amps and hate them?
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#3
Fender Super Reverb. I didn't exactly HATE it, but I can't imagine why anyone would buy it, given its price tag. Maybe I'm not quite the 'cleans' sorta guy
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#4
Mesa Boogie MarkIIB 1X12 Combo from 1981.

Definitly not an amp I want to play again.
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#5
Quote by HellBoy9393
Fender Super Reverb. I didn't exactly HATE it, but I can't imagine why anyone would buy it, given its price tag. Maybe I'm not quite the 'cleans' sorta guy


I loved my super reverb.


I hate the triple rectifier. It sounded terrible.
#6
Vox AC30 only because I can't afford it
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#7
Bogner Alchemist 1x12 combo. The alchemist head is very nice but this combo, even with the vintage 30 in it blargh. Maybe it was just a bad day but I hated it.

Oh and the Marshall JVM410C. When another kid was trying it I enjoyed the sound. When I plugged in it sounded so bad I wanted to kill myself.

And that sucks, because everybody seems to love those amps.
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#8
mesa mark IV. just sounded flubby and weak as piss.

probably just the set up tho.. only got to try it for about 30 minutes.
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#10
Quote by HellBoy9393
Fender Super Reverb. I didn't exactly HATE it, but I can't imagine why anyone would buy it, given its price tag. Maybe I'm not quite the 'cleans' sorta guy
Um, that's because you buy it for the incredible overdrive sounds that it yields.


Outside of the Mesa lonestar, I have never played one that I've liked.
#11
pretty much any mesa Recto. they all suck for the most part.
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#13
Quote by al112987
Um, that's because you buy it for the incredible overdrive sounds that it yields.


Too bad I couldn't even turn the volume past 9 oclock during band practice
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#14
i didn't hate it but the ac30cc2x was very underwhelming. for an amp which costs $3500 i would expect a whole lot more from it.

i also played some sort of mesa nomad or something like that, pretty dodgy to me.
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#16
^ There aren't a large number of tube amps that sound great with the volume lower than noon.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

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#17
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pretty much any mesa Recto. they all suck for the most part.


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#19
i once tried a Dr.z, couldn't get a good overdriven sound at all, but then again its supposed to be a low-gain amp. i was mislead by the name
#20
All JVMs. I have no idea how Mustaine get those sounds from his. Also a Triple Rec today, just didn't do it for me. Teh Rectoverb was pretty good though.
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#21
I wasn't thrilled with the Orange Thunderverb through an Orange 4x12 that I tried. It wasn't bad, but it didn't strike me as anything to write home about. Between the price and they hype, I was expecting a lot more.
#22
Tried a Mesa Mark V combo the other day and WOW was that ever stupid.
Cleans were on par or worse than my Valvekings, and I couldn't get a single tone heavy enough for good chuggy stuff with the gain dimed.
I mean I know Mesa's (and especially Mark V's) are meant to be EQ'd for hours and the volume should be above 1-2 but COME ON. Not a single usable tone after 25 minutes of turning every single knob and switch? It was ridiculous. And so much for "most versatile amp ever", couldn't get high gain tones at all.

Kind of the same with dual rectifiers. I thought they sounded .. pretty good but not worthy of being the staple of modern metal when you look at its price.

I think with Mesa you're just paying for a whole bunch of knobs.
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#23
ac30cc2x was very underwhelming. for an amp which costs $3500

? more like $1200... the AC30HH isn't even that much
#24
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#25
Quote by bubb_tubbs
^ There aren't a large number of tube amps that sound great with the volume lower than noon.

Most non master volume amps sound great below noon IMO.
As for me, it's the Mesa Dual/Triple Rectifier Solo. There are several bands that use it whose tone I love, but the amp sounded awful pretty much every time I've used/heard it.

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#26
Quote by Faux~Affliction
Tried a Mesa Mark V combo the other day and WOW was that ever stupid.
Cleans were on par or worse than my Valvekings, and I couldn't get a single tone heavy enough for good chuggy stuff with the gain dimed.
I mean I know Mesa's (and especially Mark V's) are meant to be EQ'd for hours and the volume should be above 1-2 but COME ON. Not a single usable tone after 25 minutes of turning every single knob and switch? It was ridiculous. And so much for "most versatile amp ever", couldn't get high gain tones at all.

Kind of the same with dual rectifiers. I thought they sounded .. pretty good but not worthy of being the staple of modern metal when you look at its price.

I think with Mesa you're just paying for a whole bunch of knobs.


They're really not that complicated once you learn how all of the different EQs work. Most people I've met who didn't like them didn't know how to EQ them.

Mine has to be the ENGL Powerball though. Absolute piece that's not worth the 2k. I also don't like the Single Recto, although I think the Dual and Triple are okay and the 2 channel ones are great.
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#28
Bogner Alchemist 212 and Orange Tiny Terror... And its mainly because no matter what I did with the knobs on them they still sounded like themselves... which is how an amp normally is... but to me was terrible...
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#29
Quote by ShallowEndings
I didn't expect this many people to say they didn't like mesa amps.


It's just certain amps and people's tastes. None of them are 'bad' per se, a lot of people just don't like them or haven't been able to use one to it's full potential.
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#30
Mesa 5:25 was pretty disapointing.
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#31
Quote by mmolteratx
It's just certain amps and people's tastes. None of them are 'bad' per se, a lot of people just don't like them or haven't been able to use one to it's full potential.


True.

You beat me regarding people not being able to EQ them properly. But when i tried the dual rectifier in the start of the year, no matter what i did i just couldn't find anything i liked. And that was a 2 hour honeymoon with it.

And then, he got a bugera
#32
Amps that I HATED:
Jvm 410h
Any new rectifier
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5153
And amps that I was highly underwhelmed by:
Mark V (the mk. III I had = better)
Pitbull 50cl
Diezel vh4

These amps are the suck for their price.
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#33
Quote by ShallowEndings
True.

You beat me regarding people not being able to EQ them properly. But when i tried the dual rectifier in the start of the year, no matter what i did i just couldn't find anything i liked. And that was a 2 hour honeymoon with it.

And then, he got a bugera


I'll admit in an instant that the Dual Rec is a pretty hard to like amp. I only like it under certain conditions. It can't have the OS Recto cab and it's gotta have either an EQ or overdrive with a mid hump in front to tighten it up. Do that and know how to work the EQ on the amp, and you'll have a pretty bitchin tone. Otherwise it's a flabby mess.
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#34
Quote by Kivarenn82
mesa mark IV. just sounded flubby and weak as piss.

probably just the set up tho.. only got to try it for about 30 minutes.


You did it all wrong. ALL wrong. Mark IVs are ballsy and incredibly tight.
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#35
Didn't like the Mesa rectifier series. Marshall JVM, or any other Marshall for that matter (dsl, tsl)... Hughes & Kettner Triamp Mk II: Was really disappointed by it.

Holy-Diver: Diezel VH4 is the most versatile amp i've ever come across. With not the impossible amount of knobs... It will be my next amp, mark my words.
#36
EVH 5150. Not really bad, but not great and what's the point when you can get a Peavey 5150 for way less.
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#37
Quote by mmolteratx
I'll admit in an instant that the Dual Rec is a pretty hard to like amp. I only like it under certain conditions. It can't have the OS Recto cab and it's gotta have either an EQ or overdrive with a mid hump in front to tighten it up. Do that and know how to work the EQ on the amp, and you'll have a pretty bitchin tone. Otherwise it's a flabby mess.


Yeah your probably right. But i couldn't be bothered spending too much these days. Id rather get money saved up and spend on multiple items than just one thing. I prefer simple stuff i guess.
#38
I feel vindicated, I've always said Mesas were an "you either love them or hate them" sort of amp and this thread is bearing that out. Personally, not a fan.
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#39
I've never been crazy about the JCM-2000 DSL or especially the TSL series. It sounds very fake and weak and hissy and not distinct. But they were also the combo version.

I also tried a Bogner Alchemist and the cleans where great, but the distortion was muddy and non-distinct.
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#40
Quote by skralan
Didn't like the Mesa rectifier series. Marshall JVM, or any other Marshall for that matter (dsl, tsl)... Hughes & Kettner Triamp Mk II: Was really disappointed by it.

Holy-Diver: Diezel VH4 is the most versatile amp i've ever come across. With not the impossible amount of knobs... It will be my next amp, mark my words.

Marshall's are overblown. I love mine, but the lore and mystery and envy that I had for it the years before my purchase don't match the tone.
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