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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/22/uk.priest.sermon.shoplift/index.html

What does the Pit think of this? I personally agree. Mom and pop stores that rely on the income to live should not be stolen from, but taking stuff from big businesses is OK with me for some reason. They screw so many people over, feels kinda like pay back. Discuss.

EDIT: For those of you who are too lazy to click the link, basically this priest says that stealing from a large corporation is OK if you're completely out of other alternatives.
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He's not really advocating theft. He's saying that stealing is never ok, but if there's no other option, then stealing from a large corporation is the option that does the least direct harm, which I guess I could agree with.

OR we could do something to help the homeless get jobs so they don't have to steal, but that's just a naive fantasy of mine.
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#7
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Honestly, stealing is from anywhere is absolutely okay as long as you don't get caught.

Right...


...let's see where that mindset gets you in ten years.
#8
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Right...


...let's see where that mindset gets you in ten years.


I don't steal anything, because there's too much of a risk of being arrested.
#11
Stealing is wrong. Period. (According to Christianity)

He's saying if you have to steal, steal from big companies. It's sort of like what sex ed has done. It's gone from "don't have sex before marriage" to "if you're gonna do it, use protection."
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#12
A lot of people really seem to be missing the point he's trying to make. I've heard him being called a lunatic, an idiot... but he's completely right. Burglaries and muggings affect individuals, whilst shoplifting only minutely harms a large corporation. If the homeless and the poor are not helped as they should be, then they need to survive somehow. As long as they only take what they need, I think I'm ok with it.
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Am I the only one who thought dirty things after reading this?
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#14
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Honestly, stealing is from anywhere is absolutely okay as long as you don't get caught.

Then it becomes cool.

But seriously, stealing is a really good way to get stuff. I approve.
#15
Stealing may be a crime but a crime is just the violation of a set rule you abide to because someone told you from birth that you have to.
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Am I the only one who thought dirty things after reading this?




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#17
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I don't steal anything, because there's too much of a risk of being arrested.


a coward and a douche? what an unusual combination


you could never steal anything, but you're still a horrible person for thinking like that.

stealing is only ok if you steal to survive, not because you won't get caught or because you want a new ipod
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#18
Stealing is wrong no matter who your taking from. I'm sick of people hating big businesses. Too ****ing bad most mom and pop stores don't have the shit I need. I like buying from big businesses because they usually are cheaper as well.

This doesn't mean I hate small businesses. Pizza from independent restaurants are the best.
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Stealing is wrong no matter who your taking from. I'm sick of people hating big businesses. Too ****ing bad most mom and pop stores don't have the shit I need. I like buying from big businesses because they usually are cheaper as well.

This doesn't mean I hate small businesses. Pizza from independent restaurants are the best.

Mom and pop stores are more affected economically if you steal one item as compared to a large corporation, which is why the priest is saying "don't steal, but if you have to, steal from the big guys, not the little guys"
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Stealing may be a crime but a crime is just the violation of a set rule you abide to because someone told you from birth that you have to.



Mostly Harmless: What a beautiful day. I think I'll put my clothes on.
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Mostly Harmless: What?! Why, they're mine!
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Thug Two: Yeah punk, and don't you know that this isn't wrong?
Thug Three: Yeah see, yeah! We're only just violating a set of rules that somebody told you from birth to have, so relax eh?
Mostly Harmless: Hey. That makes logical sense. I guess I don't have a say in the matter then. Alright. Take all you need guys. Thanks!
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Mom and pop stores are more affected economically if you steal one item as compared to a large corporation, which is why the priest is saying "don't steal, but if you have to, steal from the big guys, not the little guys"


I understand what the priest is saying, and I agree. I was just talking about how most people act like big corporations are terrible. A lot (note: a lot, not all) of big businesses started off small. They grew because their product was good. A lot of small businesses die because they suck.
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a coward and a douche? what an unusual combination


you could never steal anything, but you're still a horrible person for thinking like that.

stealing is only ok if you steal to survive, not because you won't get caught or because you want a new ipod


Oh, I've stolen many things, I've just realized it's too risky. But good use of personal insults to get your points across, it makes you seem very intelligent. All I was saying is that stealing is not wrong because morality does not exist. What makes the person that I am stealing from own that thing in the first place? If I decide it is rightfully mine, how can you prove me wrong? You can't. You have to resort to petty insults. Good job, bud.
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Oh, I've stolen many things, I've just realized it's too risky. But good use of personal insults to get your points across, it makes you seem very intelligent. All I was saying is that stealing is not wrong because morality does not exist. What makes the person that I am stealing from own that thing in the first place? If I decide it is rightfully mine, how can you prove me wrong? You can't. You have to resort to petty insults. Good job, bud.


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Oh, I've stolen many things, I've just realized it's too risky. But good use of personal insults to get your points across, it makes you seem very intelligent.

So far, you haven't done anything to redeem yourself and the insults still apply.

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All I was saying is that stealing is not wrong because morality does not exist.


You weren't saying that, not until now.
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What makes the person that I am stealing from own that thing in the first place?

That person either

1 produced it
2 bought it
3 traded for it
4 received it as a gift

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If I decide it is rightfully mine, how can you prove me wrong? You can't. You have to resort to petty insults. Good job, bud.

Did you produce it?

Did you pay for it?

Did you trade for it?

Was it stolen from you?

Was it owed to to you?


If none of these is true, it doesn't belong to you and isn't rightfully yours.


Now, you don't believe in objective morality. You don't believe it's wrong to steal, but I do. So as far as I'm concerned you are a cowardly douche according to subjective moral values and beliefs. I proved you wrong in my moral sphere.
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That was a wonderful reply, I enjoyed it greatly. Thank you

Anyway, I read it and see where he is coming from, and pretty much agree with what he's saying.
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#26
Ah, but I couldn't possibly care less about your moral sphere. So go away.
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#27
When I worked fast food, (KFC)I would would wait for the food to be done before i took money then I would take the money and then another employee would hand out the food and say "have a nice day" and then they would drive off and forget their change, it worked every time. We would then split the change between her and myself. We made so much money from this. But one time a old lady pulled up with a fifty and a breathing thing, and then I felt real bad so I gave her the change and never ****ed anyone out of their money again.

But I would feel bad stealing from walmart or anything.
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Oh, I've stolen many things, I've just realized it's too risky. But good use of personal insults to get your points across, it makes you seem very intelligent. All I was saying is that stealing is not wrong because morality does not exist. What makes the person that I am stealing from own that thing in the first place? If I decide it is rightfully mine, how can you prove me wrong? You can't. You have to resort to petty insults. Good job, bud.

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When I worked fast food, (KFC)I would would wait for the food to be done before i took money then I would take the money and then another employee would hand out the food and say "have a nice day" and then they would drive off and forget their change, it worked every time. We would then split the change between her and myself. We made so much money from this. But one time a old lady pulled up with a fifty and a breathing thing, and then I felt real bad so I gave her the change and never ****ed anyone out of their money again.

But I would feel bad stealing from walmart or anything.

Did anyone ever ask for their change?
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sound convincing enough for ya? bud?


So you're saying that you believe all of the laws in our country are correct? That we should base our morality on the laws we live by? That, my friend, is how totalitarian states begin. If that wasn't what you were implying, then I already stated that I don't steal anymore because it's too risky. Good try though.
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I wouldn't generally steal from anywhere.
However, although I couldn't be bothered doing it, I have little moral objection to someone stealing from a company who have no respect for the rights of their workers. If they don't respect workers' rights then why should I respect theirs'?
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So your saying that you believe all of the laws in our country are correct? That we should base our morality on the laws we live by? That, my friend, is how totalitarian states begin. If that wasn't what you were implying, then I already stated that I don't steal anymore because it's too risky. Good try though.


No, we're just saying that theft laws should be fallowed.

You have to keep in mind that we have laws to live as peaceful as possible.
No laws = anarchy. Anarchy and idiots don't mix.
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No laws = anarchy.

No. Anarchy is the absence of rulers, not the absence of laws.
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Oh, I've stolen many things, I've just realized it's too risky. But good use of personal insults to get your points across, it makes you seem very intelligent. All I was saying is that stealing is not wrong because morality does not exist. What makes the person that I am stealing from own that thing in the first place? If I decide it is rightfully mine, how can you prove me wrong? You can't. You have to resort to petty insults. Good job, bud.

This kids nothing but a dumb shit, a classic UGer, a kid who brags about how "thug" and "punk" he is on the internet. Hell his username is even in l33t. I doubt he ever did anything wrong. I have a friend named Jaye "Bird" and he's a real thug, My own Biology teacher described him as "the Godfather of Shawnee Mission West", Jaye is a criminal, but he at least admits that what he's doing is a crime, he doesnt make up Bull shit about how the money he took is "rightfully" his or how its ok because morality doesnt exist. Grow some balls son.
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#35
I think most people would have no moral objections to people stealing to feed their starving families ect. It's just hard to draw the line of what is life and death, and what is greed.
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So you're saying that you believe all of the laws in our country are correct?

Where the hell did I even say such a thing? You're assuming too much - and the only one looking like an ass if you my friend.
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That we should base our morality on the laws we live by?

You asked how I (anybody reading) could prove you wrong on your outlandish statements. I simply answered with "prison". Clear-cut and dry answer for a simple question. In your question of "how" you never mentioned morality.
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That, my friend, is how totalitarian states begin.

Because somebody stole and went to prison for it?
Go back to school and brush up on your history mate.
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No, we're just saying that theft laws should be fallowed.

You have to keep in mind that we have laws to live as peaceful as possible.
No laws = anarchy. Anarchy and idiots don't mix.


That's what you don't realize; we DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW LAWS. If you choose to break a law, you should understand the consequences if you happen to get caught. But that doesn't mean you should have to follow a law just because it is a law. Too many people base their morality on what the government tells them is right.
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Where the hell did I even say such a thing? You're assuming too much - and the only one looking like an ass if you my friend.

You asked how I (anybody reading) could prove you wrong on your outlandish statements. I simply answered with "prison". Clear-cut and dry answer for a simple question. In your question of "how" you never mentioned morality.

Because somebody stole and went to prison for it?
Go back to school and brush up on your history mate.


So how in any way does prison prove my statements wrong? You are the one who is not making sense sir.
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So how in any way does prison prove my statements wrong? You are the one who is not making sense sir.

I was not proving or disproving. Not everything on UG is a prove/disprove fight-to-the-finish brawl. You asked "how". I gave an answer. An answer you didn't like and began assuming my position on social politics. Grow up.
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