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#1
Hello Pit!

This is my first pondering to you guys so I'm bound to get shat on, but it's Christmas so what the hell?

As we're a hour into Christmas here in the UK and Ireland, I was wondering, should atheists really celebrate Christmas? Silly ponder I know, but I thought I'd ask you guys since your opinions intrigue me.

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#2
Should christians really celebrate christmas? It is ,when you get down to it, a pagan festival.
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#3
Christmas is a stolen holiday that is not about Jesus. While it has it's roots in pagan tradition, the fact remains that the celebration is because this is the time when the days start getting longer again. Atheists tend to like this just as much as the rest of you.
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#4
no. its a christian holiday. if they are true atheists they won't celebrate a "silly" day celebrating the birth of christ. but thats how i see it.
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#5
Should? No one really has the right to say who should or not. Anyone can if they want and they dont need a reason.
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#6
I'm not an atheist, but in a way I'm also not religious. But the way I see it is why should the giving of gifts be resigned to one cold day of the year, even if the event might of/might not have happened some 2,000 years ago?

It belongs with the same old addage about Valentines Day, why should couples declare their love for one another once a year? Why not everyday?
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#7
Christmas turns into more and more of an economic holiday every year rather than a Christian holiday. I know people of other religions and a few atheists who celebrate it.

There are also many people who never though Christmas was a Christian holiday in the first place because one, Christ was not born on the day, and two, it has roots in pagan holidays, like the posters above have said.
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#8
I'm atheist and I celebrate it as a time of gathering with my family and sharing gifts and memories. For me, it has nothing to do with religion. So yes.
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no. its a christian holiday. if they are true atheists they won't celebrate a "silly" day celebrating the birth of christ. but thats how i see it.

pfft, what's wrong with having a few days off work/school, eating too much and giving presents? that's universally a good thing.

Also, it's very well known to ALL that Christmas day is the day of the sun from pagan times and Christians just chose that day to over-shadow their celebration.

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#11
I'm an atheist and I celebrate Christmas. Not in the usual Christian way of making it all about Jesus or by going to mass or anything. I just like to have a day every year with my whole family. I think of it as more about the family than that Jesus lad anyway.
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I'm not an atheist, but in a way I'm also not religious. But the way I see it is why should the giving of gifts be resigned to one cold day of the year, even if the event might of/might not have happened some 2,000 years ago?

It belongs with the same old addage about Valentines Day, why should couples declare their love for one another once a year? Why not everyday?

Symbolism is lost on you, I gather.
#13
Atheists giving and receiving presents on Christmas is just fine. It's like a Canadian lighting off fireworks of July 4th -- not celebrating Independence Day, just wanting to blow shit up.
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#14
Ya. There have been winter celebrations at this time of year for millennia before Christianity came around, and it'll probably continue long after Christianity is long forgotten.
I celebrate it as a time to be around family and friends, it holds no religious significance for me.
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Christmas is a stolen holiday that is not about Jesus. While it has it's roots in pagan tradition, the fact remains that the celebration is because this is the time when the days start getting longer again. Atheists tend to like this just as much as the rest of you.

1st reply and bang on the nail.

I don't celebrate the Jesusy part of it, but I like having my family around and eating and drinking too much, so ****ed if I'm gonna stop celebrating christmas.
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I'm atheist and I celebrate it as a time of gathering with my family and sharing gifts and memories. For me, it has nothing to do with religion. So yes.


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"Good for goodness' sake"

Why should Christians be the only ones who can celebrate a holiday that focuses on giving to others?
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#18
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no. its a christian holiday. if they are true atheists they won't celebrate a "silly" day celebrating the birth of christ. but thats how i see it.

Jesus wasn't born on December 25th and Christmas wasn't always a Christian holiday.

And even if it was a t one point, can anyone really argue that it's currently more a religious holiday than a commercial holiday? I think not.
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#21
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Should christians really celebrate christmas? It is ,when you get down to it, a pagan festival.

I'm what you would call a Christian, and don't celebrate Christmas because of that amongst other reasons. It has surprised me how people completely uninterested in religion are taking so full a part in such a festival, purported to be Christian when really all I see is a big facade. It's hard not to be sucked into it all though, as it absolutely saturates our culture at this time of year, so I can see why people participate despite lacking belief.
#22
Am I the only person who thinks that 'it's a Pagan festival' is a stupid argument?

I mean, are you a pagan? I don't get that argument.
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#23
There's nothing wrong with putting a tree in a room, putting presents under it and opening them on Dec. 25th. If they want to do it, then they can. I'm not a big enough dick to tell them they shouldn't.
#24
Christians celebrate the birth of Christ on Christmas, as well as everyday really. But these days its pretty much just a commercial holiday fueled by greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed. For some people heh.
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#25
I don't know what's so hard to get to grips with?
Atheists should do what? demand that no presents be giving to them and demand they go to work?
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not use electricity or watch TV?

The only thing Christmas has to do with Christianity is the name.
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#27
To many people, Christmas is about family. Me being such a loner, I don't see why. But I guess family is as good a reason as any to celebrate. Personally, Christmas rather lost its flavor for me when I found out it was originally a Roman pagan holiday, that Constantine's (the Roman Emperor who declared Christianity the Roman state religion) mother had turned into a "Christian" holiday. Since I'm basically Messianic Jewish, this doesn't really sit too well with me. But I celebrate it anyway, cuz part of my family isn't Jewish; and I don't feel like raining too heavily on their parade. I still think it's bull though.

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Am I the only person who thinks that 'it's a Pagan festival' is a stupid argument?

I mean, are you a pagan? I don't get that argument.

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#29
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1st reply and bang on the nail.

I don't celebrate the Jesusy part of it, but I like having my family around and eating and drinking too much, so ****ed if I'm gonna stop celebrating christmas.

You'll actually find that I posted the first reply
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#30
I think Christmas turned more into a family holiday than a religious holiday. I'm atheist, but my mom is a christian so I grew up with it. Now that I'm older, I think it's a great way to get the family together once a year, including extended family, like the people you don't see alot cause of work schedule or something like that. It gives you a day to be away from school and work, and receive and give gifts that make you happy, and that make other people happy. Christmas to me is more than just religion.

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Am I the only person who thinks that 'it's a Pagan festival' is a stupid argument?

I mean, are you a pagan? I don't get that argument.


its the same arguement the kid who started the thread is asking though, hes saying atheists don't believe in Christ, so they shouldn't celebrate it, when it wasn't even a christian holiday to begin with, so if he's saying why should atheists celebrate it, you have to ask why should christians celebrate it if it's not their holiday?
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#31
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Yeah, but it's like 'Ahh Christians shouldn't believe in it as it's a pagan thing, be ar be while I just open my presents here'. Seems a bit silly. To be honest I don't even care about it too much.
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Am I the only person who thinks that 'it's a Pagan festival' is a stupid argument?

I mean, are you a pagan? I don't get that argument.
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#34
lets be honest, theres no god, it's a ridiculous idea.

HOWEVER, religion has brainwashed billions of people into doing awesome things, like, really awesome selfless acts, why the hell cant ordinary have a nice day once a year and celebrate?
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Am I the only person who thinks that 'it's a Pagan festival' is a stupid argument?

I mean, are you a pagan? I don't get that argument.


The whole point is that Christmas is not exclusive to Christianity, and people have held a winter festival around this time of the year for generations.
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Yeah, but it's like 'Ahh Christians shouldn't believe in it as it's a pagan thing, be ar be while I just open my presents here'. Seems a bit silly. To be honest I don't even care about it too much.

You miss the point, we are not arguing that you shouldn't celebrate it. But if you do argue that Atheists shouldn't then it's quite easy to point out that your technicality can be used against you and that you shouldn't either.
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point is, Enjoying a break from work/school. Giving presents and spending time with family are universally good things.
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#37
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no. its a christian holiday. if they are true atheists they won't celebrate a "silly" day celebrating the birth of christ. but thats how i see it.


You are an ignorant person then. Christmas was originally a pagan thing and it basically got the word 'CHRIST' gaffa taped onto it and therefore its christian? The question should be 'should christians celebrate christmas?'
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#39
I don't see why not.... Christmas isn't really a religious to holiday to everyone anymore.... It's more of just a "holiday" a celebration....just a time to give...
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Yeah, but it's like 'Ahh Christians shouldn't believe in it as it's a pagan thing, be ar be while I just open my presents here'. Seems a bit silly. To be honest I don't even care about it too much.

True, people seem to be forgetting that the nativity story and all the christian aspects of christmas are just as (or probably more) ingrained in what christmas is and means today as the pagan traditions behind it, no matter how it started.
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I'm what you would call a Christian, and don't celebrate Christmas because of that amongst other reasons. It has surprised me how people completely uninterested in religion are taking so full a part in such a festival, purported to be Christian when really all I see is a big facade. It's hard not to be sucked into it all though, as it absolutely saturates our culture at this time of year, so I can see why people participate despite lacking belief.

I hope you don't think that I think that christians shouldn't celebrate christmas, I was just being philosophical

You do have a point, and good for you for not allowing yourself to be controlled by it.
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