#1
I've got the choice between buying each of these guitars. Which one would be the better choice if you were in the same position?

Both have Active EMG's (81/85 on the Jackson, 81/89TW [modded 85 with push/pull pot] on the Schecter) and Fixed Bridges (TonePro's on the Schecter, Jackson Low profile on the Jackson.)

Thank you for any help..
Last edited by CBroderick at Dec 25, 2009,
#2
Go with the scheter. That guitar is built for metal, and schecters craftsman ship is just outstanding.
#3
^What he said. Schecter hellraisers are fantastic.
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Jackson. MIJ and the neck profile, for me at least, is very comfortable.
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Are you implying that the Schecter necks aren't comfortable? So far everyone says the Schecter, but some people tell me the neck is baseball bat like and gets hard to use after a while. Is this true?
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Are you implying that the Schecter necks aren't comfortable? So far everyone says the Schecter, but some people tell me the neck is baseball bat like and gets hard to use after a while. Is this true?


To a certain extent it is. But basically it just comes down to how you like your neck. So it's best you try it out yourself.
#7
Whatever feels nicer to you, but in this case I'd go for the Schecter because of the coil taps and it has a fantastic fixed bridge.

If you haven't had the chance to try them, I can give you a little detail about the necks.

The Schecter neck will be a medium thickness, sort of rounded with a lacquer finish. Sort of wide, too. Very flat on the higher frets.

Jackson neck is flat. Reminds me of the Wizard neck. The lower end will be a little rounded, while the high up will be pretty flat. I'm pretty sure there's no paint on the Jackson neck. There's the clear coat finish, which you can easily sand off if you don't like it. Somewhat wide.
#8
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So far everyone says the Schecter, but some people tell me the neck is baseball bat like and gets hard to use after a while. Is this true?


Yeah, they’re like bats, but there’s something about them that just works. Anyway, neither brand makes bad guitars, so get thee to Guitar Center and try both.
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Are you implying that the Schecter necks aren't comfortable? So far everyone says the Schecter, but some people tell me the neck is baseball bat like and gets hard to use after a while. Is this true?

No, not at all. I just prefer Jackson necks to Schecter necks.
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Whatever feels nicer to you, but in this case I'd go for the Schecter because of the coil taps and it has a fantastic fixed bridge.

If you haven't had the chance to try them, I can give you a little detail about the necks.

The Schecter neck will be a medium thickness, sort of rounded with a lacquer finish. Sort of wide, too. Very flat on the higher frets.

Jackson neck is flat. Reminds me of the Wizard neck. The lower end will be a little rounded, while the high up will be pretty flat. I'm pretty sure there's no paint on the Jackson neck. There's the clear coat finish, which you can easily sand off if you don't like it. Somewhat wide.


Someone else is getting it for me, that's the thing. I live in a country where Schecters aren't really available anywhere so I can't try it out myself. Wish I could.

Can the necks be so rounded and wide that someone would think they are unplayable? Would most people have lots of trouble playing on a Hellraiser?

Thanks a lot for the help, man.
#11
If you get a Schecter and set it up correctly, it will play like butter. I've played some very nice Jacksons, but Schecters are just awesome guitars.
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#12
hmm you should go try both of them out. Schecters feel weird to me and the jackson is kind of limited with what you can do IMO. Or maybe im just used to 24 3/4 scale
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Can the necks be so rounded and wide that someone would think they are unplayable? Would most people have lots of trouble playing on a Hellraiser?


It probably depends on what one is used to playing on. If all you know are really flat necks you’re probably going to have trouble adapting to a round neck and vice-versa.
#14
for some reason, I think the baseball neck comparison with Schecter necks is blown out of proportion. they're really not that thick. They're thinner than Fender and Gibson necks, and about the same as ESP/LTD necks.

I personally dont like the hellrasiers. I don't like the sound of EMGs, but I like the looks.

if you're looking for Actives, try the Schecter Blackjack ATX series. They have SD Blackouts, which I find a lot better and sound better than EMG's.
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It probably depends on what one is used to playing on. If all you know are really flat necks you’re probably going to have trouble adapting to a round neck and vice-versa.


Previously played an Ibanez RG and a Jackson Kelly. I found the the necks rather thin.

Also, what's your opinion on the painted finish of the neck on the back of the neck thru body of Schecters?
#16
I would go with Jackson I have the one with the LFR and it is just amazing guitar, you wont be disappointed with it
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#17
They're both amazing although I'll vote for Schecter. I own the non-active "version" of the Hellraiser and it's a beast. Check the sustain test on my profile; I recorded it with the C-1 Classic, no pedals or sustainers.
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#18
The necks really aren't that rounded or wide. The Schecter is more rounded and a little thicker than the Jackson. The Jackson is thin, and they're both about the same width. I prefer the more rounded necks over flatter necks because when I play guitar, I find rounded necks more comfortable.

It's like there's something "there." Where a flat neck feels so "empty." Its hard to explain, but if I don't feel the life from my fingers transferring to the neck, it's not just worth it.
#19
I'd personally go with the schecter. The craftsmanship is outstanding and it sounds and plays great.
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Are you implying that the Schecter necks aren't comfortable? So far everyone says the Schecter, but some people tell me the neck is baseball bat like and gets hard to use after a while. Is this true?


i've heard that as well, but i've been playing my hellraiser for 2 years and i wouldn't consider playing anything else. as for the neck, my first guitar was a squier strat, so i guess a fatter neck is just what im used to. i have had comments by others who have played it about how smooth it plays

as for TS, unless you can try them out, it might be best to find as many reviews as possilbe, possibly even find bands who use those instruments and listen to there music to get an idea of the tone
#21
This depends solely on hand size and fit now your going to want to thoroughy try them both oppinions aren't going to tell you what's right. If u have a smaller hand like me u will want the Jackson I honestly think it just sounds better too
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This depends solely on hand size and fit now your going to want to thoroughy try them both oppinions aren't going to tell you what's right. If u have a smaller hand like me u will want the Jackson I honestly think it just sounds better too


I'm in a situation where I can't try it out or that's the first thing I would have done really. Is it really SO wide and SO round that people consider it to be a MAJOR impediment? Like, is it like the neck on an acoustic or something?

Why is the hellraiser a production line guitar then if it's suited only to some people, it doesn't make sense.
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#23
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i've heard that as well, but i've been playing my hellraiser for 2 years and i wouldn't consider playing anything else. as for the neck, my first guitar was a squier strat, so i guess a fatter neck is just what im used to. i have had comments by others who have played it about how smooth it plays

as for TS, unless you can try them out, it might be best to find as many reviews as possilbe, possibly even find bands who use those instruments and listen to there music to get an idea of the tone


I've listened to some bands that use them. Saw Jeff Loomis playing one.

I like the tone but I have two questions:

a) Does the tone have some kind of treble to it? I've heard it's a beast when it comes to heavy rhythms but falls short on the lead lines.

b) How's the string seperation? Is the tone muddy in any way?

Thanks a lot for helping a noob out man.
#24
I played a Schecter C7 Hellraiser (7 string equivilent of C1) and found the finish pretty meh imo. Neck is about the same as a ltd or so. Played nice though
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I played a Schecter C7 Hellraiser (7 string equivilent of C1) and found the finish pretty meh imo. Neck is about the same as a ltd or so. Played nice though


Meh as in rubbish or not what you expected?

Oh, and I'm buying this in the UK for £749 or in simpler terms about $1300. We have to pay through the nose to get one of these beasts.

The DKMGT is for £649 with the original Jackson hardshell case.
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Meh as in rubbish or not what you expected?

Oh, and I'm buying this in the UK for £749 or in simpler terms about $1300. We have to pay through the nose to get one of these beasts.

The DKMGT is for £649 with the original Jackson hardshell case.


Well, i expected more for the guitar
The build quality was great, but i found the push/pull on the one i was playing a bit loose.
The C1 i played had the old grovers, but i played a ATX C7 beforehand and the locking tuners were great.
Both of the schecters played well and had been set up nicely. Only problem is, is that its kinda hard getting to the 23/24fret IMO.
The EMGS also did sound a bit dark/ muddy for my liking.
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Well, i expected more for the guitar
The build quality was great, but i found the push/pull on the one i was playing a bit loose.
The C1 i played had the old grovers, but i played a ATX C7 beforehand and the locking tuners were great.
Both of the schecters played well and had been set up nicely. Only problem is, is that its kinda hard getting to the 23/24fret IMO.
The EMGS also did sound a bit dark/ muddy for my liking.


I've heard the exact opposite that it's extremely easy to get to the 24th fret? After all, Schecter themselves advertise the Hellraiser as having 'Ultra access to the 24th fret'.

The back of the neck and the horns are contoured to allow the hand to move all the way to the bottom.

What did you expect really? The finish seems quite nice. What was wrong with it apart from the EMGs? (All the videos I've watched have pretty solid tone)
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I've heard the exact opposite that it's extremely easy to get to the 24th fret? After all, Schecter themselves advertise the Hellraiser as having 'Ultra access to the 24th fret'.

The back of the neck and the horns are contoured to allow the hand to move all the way to the bottom.

What did you expect really? The finish seems quite nice. What was wrong with it apart from the EMGs? (All the videos I've watched have pretty solid tone)


1) It does have insane access and I used to own a Les Paul, a Flying V, Avenger, Strat.

Only the V could surpass it on accessibility.

2) EMGs shouldn't sound "dark" or muddy at all, since they are made for quite the opposite. It's a specialist's tool, so probably some factors influenced the outcome of not being usable as he stated. What amplifier will you be using? If it's not meant for hi-gain, you'll suffer the same fate.
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1) It does have insane access and I used to own a Les Paul, a Flying V, Avenger, Strat.

Only the V could surpass it on accessibility.

2) EMGs shouldn't sound "dark" or muddy at all, since they are made for quite the opposite. It's a specialist's tool, so probably some factors influenced the outcome of not being usable as he stated. What amplifier will you be using? If it's not meant for hi-gain, you'll suffer the same fate.


Randall RH100. Thanks for the information, highly appreciated. Do you have the older 81/85 set or the newer 81TW/89 with the push pull pot? If you've played both, which sounded better?
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Quote by CBroderick
I've heard the exact opposite that it's extremely easy to get to the 24th fret? After all, Schecter themselves advertise the Hellraiser as having 'Ultra access to the 24th fret'.

The back of the neck and the horns are contoured to allow the hand to move all the way to the bottom.

What did you expect really? The finish seems quite nice. What was wrong with it apart from the EMGs? (All the videos I've watched have pretty solid tone)


Hmm. Maybe it was just the C7 then.
The neck through/ ultra access looks really great though.
I also thought the finish would be really nice, but it wasn't what i had expected.

Also check out if your store still stocks C1 Classics, from what i've heard, they are extremelly good!
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Let me add that I have nothing against Schecter, the Neck feels great imo. But in my hands the jackson has the better neck, it has a better feel. But schecter is cool I would of loved to get a C1 Classic before they were discontinued .So my pick still goes to Jackson
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Randall RH100. Thanks for the information, highly appreciated. Do you have the older 81/85 set or the newer 81TW/89 with the push pull pot? If you've played both, which sounded better?


I've played both and I had the equivalent of the 81-85 for my 7th string V. Definitely get the 81TW/89. So much more versatile and you don't miss your cleans until you lack them.
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#34
Schecter it is then. I get mine on the 1st, thanks for all the information giuys! Looking forward to making an NGD thread!
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Wow, thanks man. I still haven't got it yet, mind you. Could still decide not to get it.
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If the Chinese build any bad guitars it is because the American companies give them bad stuff to build them with not the case here. not all schecter is built in china all the high end guitars are built in USA. just like Jackson they are great guitars to but only the high end ones are built in the USA the others are built in japan. that's just the way our American companies work. i am sure they are not as bad as people make them out to be. i mean our companies do put there reputation on the line with them. where is the love at people.


Well, the Hellraiser is in the high end of the catalogue.. I heard they're made in South Korea.
#38
Yep. Schecter's diamond series is made in Korea and assembled/set up here. The custom shop makes everything here, but it's much much much more expensive.
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Well, the Hellraiser is in the high end of the catalogue.. I heard they're made in South Korea.


The ones i played were. Built in Korea, set up in your country
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