#1
I'll start off by saying that I can't play fast. The fastest I can downpick thrash style is at the speed of Tornado of Souls by Megadeth, or in other words, a little under 200 bps, doing eighth notes. The fastest I can alternate pick is the speed of Redneck by Lamb Of God (not in metal thread, I know, but my best example), about 130.

My question to you is: Do you personally think a metal artist can succeed and be heavy while lacking the ability to write good songs? Can a metal band not have a blazing song and still have their song be considered awesome? If so, can that apply to their entire catalogue of material?
#2
A bit confused by that. Are you asking if a metal band can have succes, even though their music isn't technically difficult to play?

If so. Then yes, I think and hope so
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My question to you is: Do you personally think a metal artist can succeed and be heavy while lacking the ability to write good songs?

Slayer's done it for the past 20 years or so. As far as a catalogue goes, every album they've put out sounds the same, and they're one of the most successful metal acts in existence. Know why? Because they write to please the people who hate any band that does something not like their last LP. So here's my take on it -

Write to please yourself and the band, not to please the people who want to hear your first album seven times under a different title, or otherwise. If you're not satisfied with your skill/music, work harder. That's all it takes.
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#4
lots of great metal is not technically demanding.

but you have to be able to write a good song.. if you cant do that then you are ****ed.
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Slayer's done it for the past 20 years or so. As far as a catalogue goes, every album they've put out sounds the same, and they're one of the most successful metal acts in existence. Know why? Because they write to please the people who hate any band that does something not like their last LP. So here's my take on it -

Write to please yourself and the band, not to please the people who want to hear your first album seven times under a different title, or otherwise. If you're not satisfied with your skill/music, work harder. That's all it takes.

Slayer plays fast. I'm not talking about their albums sounding the same. I'm asking whether a metal band thrive even though they don't play any pieces breakneck speed.
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Slayer plays fast. I'm not talking about their albums sounding the same. I'm asking whether a metal band thrive even though they don't play any pieces breakneck speed.

Do you listen to any successful metal bands who don't play at breakneck speed? Most metal bands don't play at pace with Batio or Yngwie. There are plenty subgenres and derivitives of metal that aren't thrash and speed.

Per example - Meshuggah.
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There is a lot of metal which isn't played at breakneck speed. Doom, Drone, Stoner etc
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#9
Well, the bands I listen to don't all play at 250bpm, but majority of them play just a hair bit faster than I'm capable of.

But you're all right. I think I'm being a bit naive.


EDIT: I really don't like doom or stoner of sludge metal much either. For the music I like (Bodom, Gojira, Lamb Of God, Megadeth, Arch Enemy) it requires chops.

And Meshuggah is very technical...
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EDIT: I really don't like doom or stoner of sludge metal much either. For the music I like (Bodom, Gojira, Lamb Of God, Megadeth, Arch Enemy) it requires chops.

And Meshuggah is very technical...


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Well, the bands I listen to don't all play at 250bpm, but majority of them play just a hair bit faster than I'm capable of.

But you're all right. I think I'm being a bit naive.


EDIT: I really don't like doom or stoner of sludge metal much either. For the music I like (Bodom, Gojira, Lamb Of God, Megadeth, Arch Enemy) it requires chops.

And Meshuggah is very technical...

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#13
I don't know about that, they can't play at 13nps above 200 bpm

not very metal imo
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#14
Damn, neither they can.

Must be hip-hop then, god damn ******s.
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A bit confused by that. Are you asking if a metal band can have succes, even though their music isn't technically difficult to play?

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Sorry, I worded that wrong. Not chops. But you know what I mean.
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My question to you is: Do you personally think a metal artist can succeed and be heavy while lacking the ability to write good songs? Can a metal band not have a blazing song and still have their song be considered awesome? If so, can that apply to their entire catalogue of material?


Can they succeed while producing terrible music at the same time? It's been going on for a very long time in every genre. Can they be heavy and succeed? Don't know.
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#21
I play doom because I can't play fast lol.

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#22
You can succeed without playing fast, yes, but what's the actual problem here? You can't play fast, and have given up trying and still hope that there's some chance you can play metal? Every guitar player you listen to was not born with the ability to play fast. They all started at the bottom and worked their way to their great technique. There's no reason why you can't either.
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Sorry, I worded that wrong. Not chops. But you know what I mean.


no I don't think anyone does

being fast doesnt mean you are automatically heavy

in fact, general concensus is slower = heavier

can you be extremely popular and troo at the same time? no, I think not. but that's my opinion, obviously

And I'm with Eminus, I blow on guitar, unless we are playing doom, in which case I'm just a riff machine
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I'll start off by saying that I can't play fast. The fastest I can downpick thrash style is at the speed of Tornado of Souls by Megadeth, or in other words, a little under 200 bps, doing eighth notes. The fastest I can alternate pick is the speed of Redneck by Lamb Of God (not in metal thread, I know, but my best example), about 130.

My question to you is: Do you personally think a metal artist can succeed and be heavy while lacking the ability to write good songs? Can a metal band not have a blazing song and still have their song be considered awesome? If so, can that apply to their entire catalogue of material?

You've evidently heard very little metal. Ever heard of doom metal?

The idea that you can not be able to write a good song, but still be heavy, is simply silly. Heaviness is result of songwriting, not some amp setting. If your songs are spectacularly heavy, you've done something right at least. The idea that technical talent = good music = shit on a stick.
#27
mastodon, baroness, high on fire, doom metal, ahab, funeral

They play slow a lot and are full of chops.
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#28
can I just say, playing fast is in no way a measure of technical prowess, let alone knowledge of the instrument?

My teacher runs circles around anything I do, and he doesn't play very fast; he plays in many different styles, knows theory backwards and can play fingerstyle or with a pick in his sleep. Considering metal playing is more or less a more intense variation of all of those things, you have the cart before the horse.

Know your instrument closer than your family; to be able to write in any language, you must first know the language - the letters, syntax, grammar rules and the language character - as in slang, cultural terms and so on. Same applies to guitar and music in general. Having "chops" isn't only relevant to how fast you play

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can I just say, playing fast is in no way a measure of technical prowess, let alone knowledge of the instrument?

My teacher runs circles around anything I do, and he doesn't play very fast; he plays in many different styles, knows theory backwards and can play fingerstyle or with a pick in his sleep. Considering metal playing is more or less a more intense variation of all of those things, you have the cart before the horse.

Know your instrument closer than your family; to be able to write in any language, you must first know the language - the letters, syntax, grammar rules and the language character - as in slang, cultural terms and so on. Same applies to guitar and music in general. Having "chops" isn't only relevant to how fast you play

This.

To me, it isn't the technical abilities of the band that is important. It's the ability to write a good song. In fact I think a lot of the time, speed is used a crutch for lack of ability to be "heavy", or to write a good riff/song.
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#30
There's so many ways to be successful without speed. You can do some pretty groovey stuff without playin fast and you can play like sluge and doom stuff. And if picking is your problem you can learn ways to apply tapping for technical stuff.
#31
slow>fast
but if you want to improve your speed buy a metronome and spend hours practicing.