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#41
Quote by Absent Mind
Less sterile sound people associate with EMGs, better for cleans.



I'm a bit skeptical on this, I've heard people tell me that the 18 volt mod destroyed their cleans and made it sound overdriven, but I've heard the same about the stock 9 volt as well. Cause I know I get amazing cleans with my stock set up, especially when I mix the 81's together and back off on the volume knobs.

I'll have to try it myself, I think I'll buy a soderless wiring system for my 81 81 set up on my Squier Strat, and do the toggle switch for 9v to 18v, and see what happens. The toggle switch thing seems like a grand idea that everybody should employ. Only thing I have to do is figure out how to put 2 battery in that tiny cavity . Maybe there's room in the trem cavity.

Nice thread btw Kudos to you Zakk
#43
I have a bunch of clips on my profile of me using my Squier with EMG 81's and the cleans on them sound pretty great, the 81 by itself sounds bad for cleans, but when its mixed with the neck 81 it gives it a lot of life that the bridge 81 was missing. I use the KH-21 EMG pickup set with just 1 9 volt from a Valveking 112 preamp direct in to my soundcard and cleaned up in Reaper, and the cleans that I can make sound very clean, I've surprised many people with my cleans. Idk about when the volume is pushed, I've never had to push it that hard with cleans, plus I don't think the crappy stock Valveking speaker would handle it very well.

I would still like the option of choosing between 9 and 18 volt. Even though the 18 volt is clearer, I like the extra distortion I can get with the 9 volt, despite it being slightly muddy.
#45
Anyone know if there's a way to bypass the solderless connector system and wire up modern EMGs to 2 conductor like they used to make them?

I understand they're epoxy potted, so my guess would be that my answer is no, and that I 'd have to go to the EMG Custom Shop.
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#46
The actual wires that come out of the solderless pups are still the same arent they? Red, white and black? So you can choose to just solder that traditionally.




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#47
Shinozoku, EMG has used the quick connect system on the back of the pickups for several years now. The quick connect would just slide on the pins on the back of the pickups but the other end still had to be soldered to the pots. In 2009 they started the solderless install system which adds quick connect style connectors to the other end of the quick coonect cables so they just slide on to the pins on the pots. If you don't like that set up you can get the old style pots from EMG and clip the connectors off of the pot end of the quick connect cables and solder everything the old way. It's either that or buy some used old stlye EMGs. That's pretty much your options. I'm pretty sure they don't make the old style pickups at all anymore.
#48
Quote by Shinozoku
Anyone know if there's a way to bypass the solderless connector system and wire up modern EMGs to 2 conductor like they used to make them?

I understand they're epoxy potted, so my guess would be that my answer is no, and that I 'd have to go to the EMG Custom Shop.
Should be easy. The quik connects are the same. The cables are the same. The only difference in the solderless system is the addition of little plugs at the other end of the pickup cables. Cut off the plugs (the two little ones, not the 3 pin quik connect) and wire them up like the older versions.
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#49
Ah, what I meant wasn't the solderless thing (I misused the word ), but it's the quik-connect. Please see this pic for what I'm talking about
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#51
Quote by zakkwyldefan79
Shinozoku you're probably gonna have to buy some used ones then. I don't think EMG has a custom shop. I could be wrong though. Why don't you like the ones with the quik connect system?

I've heard that the 58 model is no longer available regularly, but is still available through their custom shop. Therefore, I would imagine they could make all of their pickups like they did in the old days through their custom shop for people who ask as well

And It's basically a mojo thing. I've heard from more than a fair share of people who have compared modern quick-connect EMGs to the old 2 or 4 conductor ones and cited the quick-connect system as a reason for the "sterility" that people associate with the pickups.

I know a guy with an old 85 and would love to swap it out with a modern one in a guitar and hear the difference myself. My question is posed merely for information gathering
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#52
Quote by Shinozoku
I know a guy with an old 85 and would love to swap it out with a modern one in a guitar and hear the difference myself. My question is posed merely for information gathering
Yeah, do that. Or save yourself the trouble and let your brain work for you.

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And It's basically a mojo thing. I've heard from more than a fair share of people who have compared modern quick-connect EMGs to the old 2 or 4 conductor ones and cited the quick-connect system as a reason for the "sterility" that people associate with the pickups.
Oh, God.

Must ... stop ... laughing ... before ... I ... fall ... out ... of ... my ... chair.
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#53
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Yeah, do that. Or save yourself the trouble and let your brain work for you.

Oh, God.

Must ... stop ... laughing ... before ... I ... fall ... out ... of ... my ... chair.

I'm sure you've heard more ridiculous things in your time And I said ONE of the things that contributes to the belief I've heard people say that the super low output of EMGs being boosted kills tone, I've heard them say the super high output of something like a DiMarzio X2N kills tone, and I've heard that EMGs really let true wood tone shine through due to the low DCR, and that the super high output of the X2N helps capture the wood tone the most I'm doing my own tests to see, definitely. Or to hear, rather
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#54
Quote by Shinozoku
I've heard that the 58 model is no longer available regularly , but is still available through their custom shop. Therefore, I would imagine they could make all of their pickups like they did in the old days through their custom shop for people who ask as well

And It's basically a mojo thing. I've heard from more than a fair share of people who have compared modern quick-connect EMGs to the old 2 or 4 conductor ones and cited the quick-connect system as a reason for the "sterility" that people associate with the pickups.

I know a guy with an old 85 and would love to swap it out with a modern one in a guitar and hear the difference myself. My question is posed merely for information gathering

The 58 is still listed on their site. So I guess it's still available regularly just like the other pickups. It's just not a commonly used as their other pickups. I've searched their site and it doesn't say anything about a custom shop like the sites of other companys. I've never heard of anyone having a custom active EMG. All the big names just use regular EMGs. The only artist pickup that EMG has is the new Alexi Laiho model which is passive.

I don't think a company like EMG would switch to the quick-connect if it had negative affect on the tone of the pickups. My friend has a guitar with old style EMGs and I can't tell a difference between them and the new ones in his other guitars or the ones in my guitars.
#56
^It's likely a mojo thing, then. Still, I'd like to compare two identical models with the two different kinds of connectors in the same guitar

Ahh, a project for some time in the far away future...
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#57
Hey guys im hoping this is the right place but since it doesnt involve wiring or anything I hope it is. Anyways im going good getting everything in my Dean and then I come to install the input jack and I realize that the battery clip that connects to the 9-volt wont fit through the input jack hole that runs into the cavity on back. The input is on a V so think Gibson V input placement if you need a visual. And since I dont think I could route that hole from the backside to make it fit at that angle what other option is there? Where the clip connects to the jack has a little rubber piece over it keeping me from getting to it. Any ideas.....
#58
Quote by Shinozoku
^It's likely a mojo thing, then. Still, I'd like to compare two identical models with the two different kinds of connectors in the same guitar

Ahh, a project for some time in the far away future...

i had a old 85 in my viper for a long time, looks exactly like that picture up there. i recently gave it to my brother for his guitar and put a solderless 85 in mine. sound is identical.
i used to be a mod, then i took an arrow in the knee.
#59
Quote by ARThriller
Hey guys im hoping this is the right place but since it doesnt involve wiring or anything I hope it is. Anyways im going good getting everything in my Dean and then I come to install the input jack and I realize that the battery clip that connects to the 9-volt wont fit through the input jack hole that runs into the cavity on back. The input is on a V so think Gibson V input placement if you need a visual. And since I dont think I could route that hole from the backside to make it fit at that angle what other option is there? Where the clip connects to the jack has a little rubber piece over it keeping me from getting to it. Any ideas.....
I thought EMG would have had the foresight to put a connector in there.

Maybe cut the black wire and use some crimp-on connectors like this?



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i had a old 85 in my viper for a long time, looks exactly like that picture up there. i recently gave it to my brother for his guitar and put a solderless 85 in mine. sound is identical.
Missed opportunity. You could have sold it to Shino for double the list price.
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#60
So, i was wondering, if i take 2 12 volt batteries ( i have an emg 89/81tw setup, and their max voltage supply is is 27) and house them in where my 9 volt usually goes, (giving them 24 volts) would this be similar to the 18 volt mod, and give me more headroom on cleans, or would i have to through in a resistor to get just the 18 volts?
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#61
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So, i was wondering, if i take 2 12 volt batteries ( i have an emg 89/81tw setup, and their max voltage supply is is 27) and house them in where my 9 volt usually goes, (giving them 24 volts) would this be similar to the 18 volt mod, and give me more headroom on cleans, or would i have to through in a resistor to get just the 18 volts?
As long as the voltage is less than 27, you're good. No need to drop it down to 18.

12V is still gonna get you more headroom than 9v, so maybe just use a 12v? idk.
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#62
EMG say you wont notice much above 18V, but I guess it cant hurt to do 24V...




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#63
Guys, I wired EMG 81 with one vol on my axe. And it had a lot of hum, on overdrive even more.Then i changed pot, and same thing. I wired it directly to output jack, same again, hum hum hum. Can the cause be bad cable, amp? Or even worse, the pickup itself?
#64
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Can the cause be bad cable
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amp?
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Or even worse, the pickup itself?
yes.
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#65
hey guys i have a question. i recently got a peavey 5150 and when i turn it up my cleans sound distorted even though the gain is low. i have a 81/85 set. what could it be? should i change the battery?
#67
Quote by zakkwyldefan79
Xhale1, The 5150 is known to not have good cleans. That's why they made 5150 II. The 18v mod helps the cleans on EMG's. You could try that. How do passive pickups through it?


ohh i see i see. well i was talking about the 5150 combo not the head sorry about that but ohhh okay. cuz iv heard about how emgs give a muddy tone with the cleans so i was just wondering. how do passive pickups through what?


oh but other than the cleans! i just remembered i ran my gibson v with the emgs through a fender head and my cleans came out distorted and also on my friend's mesa mark iii combo and also came out distorted when i turned it up
Last edited by Xhale1 at Feb 20, 2010,
#69
well passives sound good with the 5150 turned up i used a squier strat. it doesnt come out distorted or anything
#70
Mix your pickups, put it on the center selector and put your bridge pickup volume a little below max and put your neck pickup a little above half way, should get you pretty decent cleans, play with that set up a bit, cause I can get near crystal clear cleans with an 81 81 set up.
#71
Quote by ethan_hanus
Mix your pickups, put it on the center selector and put your bridge pickup volume a little below max and put your neck pickup a little above half way, should get you pretty decent cleans, play with that set up a bit, cause I can get near crystal clear cleans with an 81 81 set up.


i will consider that sir, thanks alot dude!
#73
Hey guys maybe someone over here can help me, I need to know how I would hook up an 81X/60x with just one master vol. using the solderless setup. The instructions didnt come with this paticular setup so I just followed the one pup one vol setup and tryed to add in the second one and it seems as if both pups are on at the same time. So any suggestions or help would be awesome as I dont think this is worth the 45 bucks the guys at the shop would charge me. Thanks again.
#74
Quote by ARThriller
Hey guys maybe someone over here can help me, I need to know how I would hook up an 81X/60x with just one master vol. using the solderless setup. The instructions didnt come with this paticular setup so I just followed the one pup one vol setup and tryed to add in the second one and it seems as if both pups are on at the same time. So any suggestions or help would be awesome as I dont think this is worth the 45 bucks the guys at the shop would charge me. Thanks again.
k, so what kind of pickup selector switch do you have?
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#76
Quote by ARThriller
its a 3 way toggle, its on a jackson kelly.
Use Diagram #6b
http://www.emginc.com/content/wiringdiagrams/H_0230-0106D.pdf

Do you see where the output jack is connected to the tone control?
You don't have a tone control, so plug that cable into the volume control, where the jumper is on that diagram.

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#77
Ok, once more guys I have another tricky question. The situation this time is that I have an older quick connect wire (not from solderless kit) but everything else is from the solderless kit. In the instructions in the solderless kit it says that if you have an older model pickup you just solder the red wire to the lil plastic buss(not big one) that is included, but the white wire coming from the quick connect wire has bare wire with a lil white wire in the middle of it(hope that makes sense) and it doesnt say anything about where to connect it. I have tryed touching the wire to every prong and ground spot on the volume pot but still whenever I hit the pickup with my whammy bar you can hear it nomatter which way I turn the volume. This is a one pickup, one volume guitar and I figured it would be easy but I guess nothing ever is.
#78
ARThriller, In the solderless diagrams they show the big white wire as having a little white wire, same as yours does, and a little black wire, equal to the bare wire on yours, inside it. So you need to sloder the the bare wire to the first prong on the volume pot (going left to right)and the white wire to the second prong. Be careful and make sure that you don't let the solder connect the 2 prongs together because that will short your signal to ground and cause you to not get any sound out of your guitar.
#79
ZWyldefan, I just tryed that but whenever I knock on the pickup with my whammy bar then I can still hear it in the amp. Could it be another problem? I used the solderless wires for the output jack and everything so im sure thats fine and I soldered the red wire from the pickup to that little plastic buss that comes in it. Im lost. lol. And I cant find ANYWHERE that I can just order the solderless quik connect wire that comes from the pickup, cant even find it in the sets, its the only one not included.