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damn so last night my friend and i had a bon fire in his backyard and we got high so we decided to put on some meshuggah and since we were trippin balls we discovered that they are ATONAL math metal, well not on all their songs but that shit was a trip .
what do you guys think?
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I've never listened to Meshuggah but I doubt they are atonal and I doubt you know what atonal means.
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to be honest i couldn't tell you if it is genuinely atonal or not, although i've only ever heard of atonality being attributed to classical music


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Does atonal mean boring and random?

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atonal music is music which has no key, & therefore no cadences etc.
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What does atonal mean? And yes, i read 'anal music.'
It means the song lacks a tonal center (It doesn't belong to any certain key because it has nowhere to resolve).
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Now that I think about it, pretty sure Meshuggah is atonal, but that doesn't mean they aren't the sh*t.
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Quote by Toolshed#9
Atonal in fact or not, they make some amazing fairly unorthodox music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzIBI3jkKY&feature=channel
Thanks for the link. The rhythm and dissonance makes for a very interesting listen.
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Now that I think about it, pretty sure Meshuggah is atonal, but that doesn't mean they aren't the sh*t.


for the love of god Meshuggah are not atonal composers. look up atonality.
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damn so last night my friend and i had a bon fire in his backyard and we got high so we decided to put on some meshuggah and since we were trippin balls we discovered that they are ATONAL math metal, well not on all their songs but that shit was a trip .
what do you guys think?

I wouldn't say Meshuggah are atonal.

You may be thinking atonal=polyrhythmic, which is incorrect. They are jazz influenced extreme metal, so the guitar solos may sound like random nonsense in the way that atonal music can be called random nonsense. However, atonal music is something different altogether.

And I assume you smoked weed to get high. You don't trip on weed. Unless of course it was laced shit.
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Quote by maXterbat0r
I wouldn't say Meshuggah are atonal. You know be thinking atonal=polyrhythmic, which is incorrect. They are jazz influenced, so the guitar solos may sound like random nonsense in the way that atonal music can be called random nonsense. However, atonal music is something different altogether.

And I assume you smoked weed to get high. You don't trip on weed.


What? that doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense, and I fail to see how anyone with the slightest bit of musical knowledge could confuse the two.
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I'm tired, gimme a break.

I meant more towards 'woah random shit at random intervals of time' sorta feeling. I'm fairly awful with words, to be honest.

and maybe TS doesn't have much musical knowledge. Also they were high as a kite, if I read that right.
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I'm tired, gimme a break.

I meant more towards 'woah random shit at random intervals of time' sorta feeling. I'm fairly awful with words, to be honest.


lol so all this was was you using an incorrect word.
they are crazy as shit but aren't atonal.

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I know they aren't.

Are you mistaking me for TS, or did I really mess up what I was trying to say?
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Some of it doesn't stick to any particular key (that I know of). But it definitely has a tonal center...that low G# or whatever it is they use.
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I know they aren't.

Are you mistaking me for TS, or did I really mess up what I was trying to say?


yes, yes i am lol.

my /thread stands though.
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Quote by stephen_rettie
lol so all this was was you using an incorrect word.
they are crazy as shit but aren't atonal.

/thread
I agree with this.

Dissonance + time signatures that aren't 4/4 or 3/4 + cool rhythmic ideas + heavy riffs =/= atonal
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I agree with this.

Dissonance + time signatures that aren't 4/4 or 3/4 + cool rhythmic ideas + heavy riffs =/= atonal
That's pretty much the point I tried and failed to make.
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I agree with this.

Dissonance + time signatures that aren't 4/4 or 3/4 + cool rhythmic ideas + heavy riffs =/= atonal


Actually, I recall reading somewhere that to the ground most of their stuff is in 4/4... but they have guitars play in a different signature that mathematically adds up with the drums, that are 4/4. E.g polyrhytm. Don't quote me on this though.
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Actually, I recall reading somewhere that to the ground most of their stuff is in 4/4... but they have guitars play in a different signature that mathematically adds up with the drums, that are 4/4. E.g polyrhytm. Don't quote me on this though.
I looked at a tab of one of their songs and it said it changed time sig like halfway through to something weird that I forget.

I wasn't generalizing all of their songs as I have only heard that one song you linked me to. It was more of a generalization of all music that could be confused as atonal.
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Quote by Toolshed#9
Actually, I recall reading somewhere that to the ground most of their stuff is in 4/4... but they have guitars play in a different signature that mathematically adds up with the drums, that are 4/4. E.g polyrhytm. Don't quote me on this though.


I also recall reading this somewhere, in the song someone linked to, it sounds like 4/4 but then changes in odd places to time signatures maybe one or two beats extra, it isn't atonal, but they probably use strange scales or the odd note or two outside of the key to make it sound unusual.
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damn so last night my friend and i had a bon fire in his backyard and we got high so we decided to put on some meshuggah and since we were trippin balls we discovered that they are ATONAL math metal, well not on all their songs but that shit was a trip .
what do you guys think?


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Atonal music is in my opinion subjective, more than other 'genres' if it could be labeled that, however, if musicians who employ experimental and non-conventional composition techniques try to emulate those that have done so in the past, is not this arguably defeating the point of composing such in the first place?
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Atonal music is in my opinion subjective, more than other 'genres' if it could be labeled that, however, if musicians who employ experimental and non-conventional composition techniques try to emulate those that have done so in the past, is not this arguably defeating the point of composing such in the first place?


The problem is it isn't, it is a musical term like poly rhythmic. It is not a genre.
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listen to in death is death
thats a good example of it. my friend has really good music theory and he agreed
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The problem is it isn't, it is a musical term like poly rhythmic. It is not a genre.

Although as I stated, people mislabel musicians who use atonal composition techniques in the genre un-conventional or experimental music, as composing in the 'genre' of atonal, like TS.
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Although as I stated, people mislabel musicians who use atonal composition techniques in the genre un-conventional or experimental music, as composing in the 'genre' of atonal, like TS.



i wasnt saying that meshuggah is completely atonal. i guess i was trying to say what you said and use "atonal composition techniques"
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I've thought of atonal music sort of as the socialism in music.

Why should only those notes which agree with the dictatorial tonic get all the glory?

/random thought
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