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#1
There seems to be so much metal and post-rock threads in the forum, but theres very little on hardcore, post hardcore, and so on- (From autumn to ashes, alexisonfire, silverstein) on UG GG+A.

Any suggestions on rigs/pedals/amps for this sound?

Stuff like this-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Ivt-ikYIk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNDJey8mIA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JcdX17si9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pejvzJZSLpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In_bIiOoMUA
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#2
I don't think it's a very hard tone to get..
Medium gain, etc..

Why don't you just look up what amps those bands use?
I'd guess Mesa, Peavey, Marshall..
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#3
A good high-gain amp.
I've heard a lot of hardcorebands use Marshall JCMs, Mesa/boogies, ect.
Pedals im not too sure, a distortion/overdrive for solos, a delay, chorus possibly.
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#4
this isn't really hardcore...it's more like commercial metalcore...

either way, a 5150/jcm 900/dual rectifier/boosted orange AD30 could get you that metalcore sound.

also i suggest you check out converge.
#5
i know thursday use AC30s and telecasters though. would that require a large amount of pedals to get his tone?
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#6
yeah..this isnt hardcore...you can dial in their tones with a fender frontman.
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#7
must we turn this into a "this isnt _______, this is ______".....
its just a waste of everyones time.
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#8
try for an egnater rebel, its capable of both modern and vintage tones. the 6l6s inside of it can go for your "hardcore" and modern stuff and the el34s for older stuff.
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#9
this isnt hardcore, this is patrick.
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try for an egnater rebel, its capable of both modern and vintage tones. the 6l6s inside of it can go for your "hardcore" and modern stuff and the el34s for older stuff.


I would not recommend this for the music I heard up there, it's a great amp but definitely doesn't have the gain on tap, I didn't think anyway.
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#12
Uhhhh, I'm probably not very helpful on this subject, but I know ADTR uses Recto's. From a musical standpoint I'd say they're pretty hardcore.
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#13
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Uhhhh, I'm probably not very helpful on this subject, but I know ADTR uses Recto's. From a musical standpoint I'd say they're pretty hardcore.


I don't want to turn this into that kind of thread either, but I think this deserves a lol.

Anyways, TS, what rig do you have now?
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#14
Quote by tr3nt
I don't want to turn this into that kind of thread either, but I think this deserves a lol.

Anyways, TS, what rig do you have now?

I know all the vocals are pop-y, but I mean their older stuff, and just the guitars n such. But again, I really don't give a flying **** about what sub-micro-genre they belong to. Just trying to be helpful, though I doubt I was. Haha. Oh well, win some lose some.
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#15
Converge use a Bad Cat Lynx and a THD Flexi. This is all you need to know for hardcore or metalcore. If you're playing emo or post-hardcore influenced metalcore, you're already ripping off Converge anyways.
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#16
im using a valvetronix and a tiny terror. not too hardcore i know.
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#17
Why don't you just research the gear that they use?

No, you don't need that high of gain because chord definition seems to be a must (I don't actually listen to much Hardcore stuff but being around my best friend I may as well be an expert in it because he is) Anyways, it's even possible to get those tones out of a fuzz box that you can set to low, almost only overdriven level.

It seems to my ears though, if you're going to do hardcore, note and chord definition and a tight tone is more important than high gain.
#19
anything with the gain that gets the palm mutes you need.
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#22
Quote by greeny23
what about peaveys?

That's what I was going to mention. It seems like whenever I see those screaming lunatics hardcore bands call frontmen I see more 6505s behind them than anything else.
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#23
Quote by -Nickel-
That's what I was going to mention. It seems like whenever I see those screaming lunatics hardcore bands call frontmen I see more 6505s behind them than anything else.


theres an art to being a screaming lunatic my friend.
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#24
Quote by greeny23
theres an art to being a screaming lunatic my friend.

Oh no I meant that as a term of endearment! I much prefer watching a screaming lunatic than some whiny guy hugging the mic stand all night.
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#25
i play in a post hardcore band that covers a lot of styles to the likes of btbam. i use a JSx and it handles all of it well. i would have gotten a 6505 plus, however the jsx was a steal of a price, and im glad i got it. the clean on this sounds great for those very layered ambient style clean parts.

and its nice having 3 channels. sometimes crunch is all the distortion you need
#26
Quote by xkmattx
i play in a post hardcore band that covers a lot of styles to the likes of btbam. i use a JSx and it handles all of it well. i would have gotten a 6505 plus, however the jsx was a steal of a price, and im glad i got it. the clean on this sounds great for those very layered ambient style clean parts.

and its nice having 3 channels. sometimes crunch is all the distortion you need


that's what I would suggest.

Jsx
6505+
6262
333xl
333
xxx
3120
Mesa dual recto

High gain amps will do. Also contrary to popular belief get a 4x12 for the low end.
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#27
Quote by ChuggyMcBr00tlz
that's what I would suggest.

Jsx
6505+
6262
333xl
333
xxx
3120
Mesa dual recto

High gain amps will do. Also contrary to popular belief get a 4x12 for the low end.



+ 1 to them and also
orange rocker series (maybe)
Boosted AD series i think
rockerverb 50 also
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#29
[quote="'[EricS"]']Refer to my signature?

A medium-high gain with a nice delay for solos.

Also, tune to Drop-D!!!

you modded it?
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#31
[quote="'[EricS"]']No, the ValveKing and the DS-1 is all you need.

...And high-output EMGs.


my mates sound a lot better with a speaker swap and a OD
but he does have EMGs

well EMG
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#33
yeah thats what he has too, got a celestion G12-75 and a V30 in there sounds amazing
and hes gonna be getting a 2x12 soon
no idea what speakers tho
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#35
get a jcm 900/dsl/tsl/jvm/ma or an orange ad30, rockerverb, laney vh100r/tt, peavey 6505 plus or 3120 (valveking with mods will be okish) (you need at least 2 channels for the clean parts of more modern 'hardcore'), an od, a delay (if you're gonna be doing any alexisonfire) possibly a chorus, tune down to drop -d with a les paul or sg. wear a tight t-shirt.
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#36
VK wouldn't even be on my list for Hardcore music. I didn't even add the DSL.. hehe anyways I would suggest a JVM over a DSl. I hated my DSL100.
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#37
[quote="'[EricS"]']No, the ValveKing and the DS-1 is all you need.

...And high-output EMGs.

It would be better if you had a bad monkey though and replaced the valves, speakers and OT to make it sound decent. I agree on the EMG's though but it depends if you're playing proper heavy/death metal stuff.

Basically for a metal/hardcore/death metal/metal-core rig etc. all you need is a peavey 6505/5150 with a mesa cab and a Tubescreamer, noisegate and Eq pedal. A cheaper alternative would be a Bugera 6262 with a marshall 1960a cab perhaps.

If you're playing more punk hardcore stuff like alexisonfire, underoath then I'd say a marshall or orange amp instead

Its best to research what your fave band has but more than likely they'll have a peavey 6505/5150

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#39
Quote by greeny23
im using a valvetronix and a tiny terror. not too hardcore i know.

Are you starting to gig? If no, sell the valvetronix, buy an OD pedal and a 2x12 cab (V30+Celestion that is less mid-oriented) for your tiny terror and call it a day.

If yes, buy yourself a JCM900 and you'll be set for the tones in the youtube vids. When I saw Alexisonfire at warped, both Dallas and Wade had JCM900s. I know Silverstein used JCM900s on Discovering the Waterfront (their best IMO), and the JCM900 is fully capable of achiveving FATA and Chiodos with an OD.
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#40
Quote by _KurtCobain_77
Are you starting to gig? If no, sell the valvetronix, buy an OD pedal and a 2x12 cab (V30+Celestion that is less mid-oriented) for your tiny terror and call it a day.

If yes, buy yourself a JCM900 and you'll be set for the tones in the youtube vids. When I saw Alexisonfire at warped, both Dallas and Wade had JCM900s. I know Silverstein used JCM900s on Discovering the Waterfront (their best IMO), and the JCM900 is fully capable of achiveving FATA and Chiodos with an OD.


Best help yet, thank you!

I am starting to do small gigs, and i have a 2x12 for the TT.
I have a TS9 on the way, good start?
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