#1
Hey all, ive just been having a bit of an argument with the other guitarist in the band im part of.. I have been using a 4x12 (and 5150II) for a while now and im pretty sick of lugging round a massive 4x12 (the 5150 4x12 weighs a TON) and to be honest i just think its total overkill! I have decided to go back to a 2x12 as its easier to move and is more useable at home.

Problem is the other guitarist I play with in the band will still be using his 4x12 marshall stack and seems to think its a huge mistake me ditching mine to make life easier. We only really play pubs and mid-sized clubs atm, and as im sure you all know any bigger venue will usually mic up your amp anyway!

So I was just wondering what you guys prefer and if you think im crazy haha. Although my mind is pretty much made up .
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#2
Shouldn't be a problem... if you guys play at small pubs you don't make you 4x12 stacks too loud.... the 2x12 could get loud enough for small pubs... so I don't think it will be a problem
#3
That's fine, you'll get different, arguably worse, bass response from a 2x12, but it's really not that big of a deal. Invest in a quality 2x12 and you may actually notice a positive improvement over the 5150 cab.
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Yeah, a good oversized closed back 2x12 sounds pretty much like a 4x12. The only difference is that the speakers start to distort a little sooner and it's a tiny bit quieter. But you're probably not running your 5150II on 11 in a small club anyways, so quieter bit can be made up by turning up.

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#6
Cheers guys, yeh to be honest I used to have a marshall 1936 2x12 and I prefered the sound of that to the 5150 cab. Been looking at these http://www.zillacabs.com/2x12cabs.html but am also considering just getting another marshall 1936 (cheap secondhand) and maybe trying out some v30's in it so it cuts through more.
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#7
Kings of Leon played 80,000+ person festivals last summer with matchless 2x12 combos. 'Nuff said.

EDIT: If you're looking down the V30 road, then have a look at thomann.de They do a cab called the Harley Benton Vintage in 212 or 412. The 212 is under €200!!!
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#9
the volume difference is only a couple of decibels and other than that here is a bit of tonal differentiation but that's no reason not to switch.
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EDIT: If you're looking down the V30 road, then have a look at thomann.de They do a cab called the Harley Benton Vintage in 212 or 412. The 212 is under €200!!!


Exactly! I do wonder if the other guys only kickin up a fuss because he doesnt think 2x12's look as cool. LoL.

RE: Harley Benton Vintage in 212 ; yeh i was reading about that earlier but I read someone saying they A/B'd one with a Marshall 1936 and apparently the Harley Benton sucked. Kinda put me on the fence, plus although I dont wana go throwing money around, cheapest doesnt always mean best buy! (as im sure you know!). I am still considering the V30's though just because they should cut through better than other heavy rock speakers.. but im a bit concerned I would find them a bit harsh as im more used to GT12-75's which have slightly scooped mids. But can only try I guess!

Thanks for the input guys!
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Exactly! I do wonder if the other guys only kickin up a fuss because he doesnt think 2x12's look as cool. LoL.

RE: Harley Benton Vintage in 212 ; yeh i was reading about that earlier but I read someone saying they A/B'd one with a Marshall 1936 and apparently the Harley Benton sucked. Kinda put me on the fence, plus although I dont wana go throwing money around, cheapest doesnt always mean best buy! (as im sure you know!). I am still considering the V30's though just because they should cut through better than other heavy rock speakers.. but im a bit concerned I would find them a bit harsh as im more used to GT12-75's which have slightly scooped mids. But can only try I guess!

Thanks for the input guys!


It's all about the looks for some people, man.

Personally, I can't fit my current rig in my car so I need to change down from 412 to 212. I think everything'll be quite a bit neater looking as a whole when I do, plus my 412 has very cheap speakers in it so tonal quality should take a serious jump too.

I've never seen or heard a HB cab in person but was hoping to buy one in march. For the quality of the speakers and what looks like a very solid box, they still seem like a steal. I've only heard great things about the HB cabs so far, but if they are a bit dodgy, I'd like to hear more. I'll be doing a little more research before buying now. You're right though... V30's could definitely sound weird for you if you're a mid scooper, so maybe this wouldn't be the best cab for you.
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#13
i personally miss the feel of a 4x12 but it was pretty annoying carrying that bastard around. go to the store and play a 2x12 and see what you think. eventually though you can buy another 2x12 and have a more portable 4x12.
#14
The volume difference will be hardly noticeable. Don't worry about it.
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unless you're measuring with an SPL meter...you're not going to notice. the more full sound and better bass response that some 412 cabs can offer over a 212 maybe perceived by your ears as more volume...but its minimal. 212s are great. I use mine at practice so I don't have to lug my heavy ass mesa 412 back and forth.