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Hey folks. I've got a question...

There's this event that started in Seattle a few years ago called "Ignite."

http://www.igniteseattle.com/

The deal is, you get a bunch of people together who are passionate about some topic to give a Powerpoint presentation to a large audience. The catch is, each topic/presenter only gets 20 slides and the slides automatically advance after 15 seconds. The topics can range from "Save the Engineers: A Cause for a Dying Breed" to "How to Jump Off of a Rock (Twice)" -- anything and everything.

The idea is to have fun and make the audience laugh. Profanity is most definitely allowed. (There was one topic about the f-word.)

This event moved to my current hometown of Boulder, CO. I went to the Boulder Ignite in December and had such a good time that I wanted to submit a topic idea for the next event in February. My idea is this...

"How to Survive the Impending Musical Apocalypse"

... because we all know it's coming.

I've already got a decent outline of the presentation and know what I want to say. I've run into an interesting section, though, wherein I propose that in order to survive said apocalypse, you need to become a music snob. Which inevitably makes us ask this question:

"Is it okay to be a music snob?"

So. What do you guys think? What are the best reasons to become passionate about music? What are the advantages of being a snob in a world of shitty music? What can we possibly gain from trying to spread the word about the things we like (and dislike)? Is "snob" a misnomer?

Any answers accepted. I will choose the best ones -- I'm willing to take up to 3 or 4 if you guys have good ones -- and post back with the ones I chose. I will also direct you all to the presentation and website for Ignite Boulder 8 if I get chosen to speak.



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#3
Snob is a misnomer. Us what like metal are better than everyone else because they are shit.

Seriously speaking, Snob isn't really a good term for it. I don't really agree with people forcing their tastes on anyone, and people saying "XYZ is Shit" are not really people I tend to get on with. Admittedly, I am a little judgemental about my tastes and I feel that unless a piece of music sounds good, then it's not really that good, but then that's hardly being a nazi about it. For example, Rap is good in some ways, but only certain pieces with a good beat or good lyrics (Rarely ), And Metal is good in some ways, For instance intricate guitar wankery and screaming. *Shrug*
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Music Evolving =/= Musical Apocalypse
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Music Evolving =/= Musical Apocalypse

Have you listened to the stuff that's coming out ?

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#10
People that know nothing about music call people that are knowledgeable snobs. I never quite got that.

And it is like that for everything. I was called a beer snob once after I ordered an IPA at a bar... Didn't quite get why.
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Music Evolving =/= Musical Apocalypse

I fully admit to this, and am a strong proponent of this belief.

But come on. Look at the shit that sells.
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Quote by tr3nt
Have you listened to the stuff that's coming out ?

3oh3
brokencyde

rap on the warped tour ??????????

electronic metal

First of all, you really aren't meant to take them seriously. Their music is just messing about and having fun.

Second of all, that's what people who listened to jazz in the 30s and 40s said about The Beatles and the other rock music of the 60s. Music's just changing, because we have new technology, and it always will. Infact, the 60s was probably the worst for manufactured music really.
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#14
For the sake of the thread, just presume I have good reasons for assuming there will be a "Musical Apocalypse."

Again, this is just about having fun and making people laugh. It is not intended to be a thoroughly conclusive essay/
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There's no apocalypse coming.
What in gods name do you mean by this?

Please explain it so that I may tell you why you're wrong.

Don't worry about it lol. He's just got his panties all in a bunch casue the music he likes isn't on the mainstream charts. One day he'll get over it.
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Don't worry about it lol. He's just got his panties all in a bunch casue the music he likes isn't on the mainstream charts. One day he'll get over it.



Clearly you're missing the point.
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First of all, you really aren't meant to take them seriously. Their music is just messing about and having fun.

Second of all, that's what people who listened to jazz in the 30s and 40s said about The Beatles and the other rock music of the 60s. Music's just changing, because we have new technology, and it always will. Infact, the 60s was probably the worst for manufactured music really.


Yes, I agree with you very much in what you have said but there are a few flaws that I see with your explanaton. I believe that the reason music is changing is because the people are changing. When people change over periods of time which is completely natural, so do their opinions and preferences. 30's and 40's jazz musicians probably thought The Beatles weren't very good etc. but that was most likely because they were exposed to different types of music their entire life not necesarrily because the music was bad. How good music is can only be a persons opinion, this is why I usually do not argue over what music is better than others.
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Build a music fallout shelter.
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#22
The Musical Apocalypse: Starring Satan with lead vocals on such songs as "rising from hell to take over the world"...

I just don't see the apocalypse being a musical =/
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Boulder, Lol. Never thought I'd hear about rich hippies.
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#24
Musical apocalypse only refers to the decline of creativity. Everything is becoming the same, and we need somebody to become inventive and not just make the media and record companies to get money and get laid. That will happpen anyways, if your creative. In example: slipknot. They sing about absolutely nothing and have no musical creativity. if jim root had any respect for his instrument, he wouldnt put it down into a bass' octave range and thump on it randomly. Or nickelback- they completely lack creativity and just make the record companies happy. thats all they want to do. Yes all genres of music are amazing (yes even some rap). ill listen to almost anything at any time. Its just a bland mix of crap that is given to fifteen different artists with the words changed. Im sure that this exactly what redwing_suck means
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Yes, I agree with you very much in what you have said but there are a few flaws that I see with your explanaton. I believe that the reason music is changing is because the people are changing. When people change over periods of time which is completely natural, so do their opinions and preferences. 30's and 40's jazz musicians probably thought The Beatles weren't very good etc. but that was most likely because they were exposed to different types of music their entire life not necesarrily because the music was bad. How good music is can only be a persons opinion, this is why I usually do not argue over what music is better than others.

Well, I'm not saying that any music is better than any other one (and if I did I didn't mean it ), but I suppose people in this forum are like the jazz musicians; they aren't exposed to as much of the pop music as they could be, and they don't really see what pop music is there for. Fair enough it is partly about money (after all, it is a music business), but it's also there to dance to, and have fun and all that. It's not exactly music to be taken that seriously. People just seem to take music wayyy too seriously on here.
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Quote by tr3nt
Have you listened to the stuff that's coming out ?

3oh3
brokencyde

rap on the warped tour ??????????

electronic metal

Doesn't matter. There is still good music out there.
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Quote by tr3nt
Have you listened to the stuff that's coming out ?

3oh3
brokencyde

rap on the warped tour ??????????

electronic metal



Yes, have you heard the music that Olafur Arnalds is creating? Regina Spektor, Radiohead, The Xx, The Antlers, Luigi Rubino, Explosions in the Sky, Damien Rice, and so on... I agree "mainstream" music is usually music made for tasteless and musically wise uneducated people, but music as as good now as it was 40 years ago, rock music is as good as in the 70's, I think the difference is that 40 years ago there were "Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, The Monkeys, Jimi Hendrix" and that's it those were the big musical acts, now we've got so much music it is impossible for a generation to feel "represented" by a same band.
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Yes, have you heard the music that Olafur Arnalds is creating? Regina Spektor, Radiohead, The Xx, The Antlers, Luigi Rubino, Explosions in the Sky, Damien Rice, and so on... I agree "mainstream" music is usually music made for tasteless and musically wise uneducated people, but music as as good now as it was 40 years ago, rock music is as good as in the 70's, I think the difference is that 40 years ago there were "Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, The Monkeys, Jimi Hendrix" and that's it those were the big musical acts, now we've got so much music it is impossible for a generation to feel "represented" by a same band.

exactly!!! hes got it. i just didnt feel like mentioning any new bands cause im a slow typer as it is lol

and i know that metallica and a7x are the spot under my message, and theyre not the most creative bands ever, but they have good messages. listen to U]ride the lighning ... maiden just rules anyways.[
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Music Evolving =/= Musical Apocalypse



Commercialisation of music =/= evolution.
#31
I agree that there is still great music being created but it still doesn't hide the fact that this music that is really really really popular is terrible.
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Music Evolving =/= Musical Apocalypse

that would be a good comment if music actuallywas evolving.

it really is just turning to sh** before our very eyes
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that would be a good comment if music actuallywas evolving.

it really is just turning to sh** before my eyes


Post changed due to it being an opinion and not fact.


YOU might think it is (and yeah, I kind of do too) but it's an opinion, and nothing more.

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that would be a good comment if music actuallywas evolving.

it really is just turning to sh** before our very eyes


That's your opinion
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#35
^ my opinion? seems a lot of other people in this thread have that opinion too.

just sayin'
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^ my opinion? seems a lot of other people in this thread have that opinion too.

just sayin'


Well, in my honest opinion, music is getting better and better than what it was about 10-15 years ago.

Just because some people don't like the direction music is going in, doesn't mean it's an 'apocalypse'.
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#37
Maybe talk about the growing corporate influences in music. I could draw you a fantastic picture of simon cowell getting the living shit beaten out of him and probably provide myself some therapy at the same time.
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Quote by tr3nt
Have you listened to the stuff that's coming out ?

3oh3
brokencyde

rap on the warped tour ??????????

electronic metal


Have you tried searching for music you like at all?

Warped tour has always sucked, forever (in my opinion, there's been a few bands here and there).

You think because the music on the radio/tv and corporate sponsored concerts sucks, means that music is going to collapse into ruin?

Moronic !

Music is evolving, whether you believe it/like it. Some of it may have even evolved beyond the grasp of your mind that seems to be stuck too far up your anus.

Commercialized popular music has always been this way, it wasn't "better" in the 60s/70s/80s, it was still catered towards the masses, just like today.
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Commercialisation of music =/= evolution.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Music was probably a lot more commercialised (sp?) in the 60s. It's a lot more fashionable for people to write their own stuff, and to help produce their records. In the 60s, people who had half decent voices were picked up, and told to sing songs, and nowadays, people can be picked up at gigs, busking, and even from Youtube for being good songwriters, and getting record deals and all that.

If anything, most people really aren't into all the manufactured stuff these days (a lot of stuff comes from singer songwriters, like Pixie Lott, Little Boots, Florence + The Machine, Coldplay, Kings of Leon, Arctic Monkeys, The Strokes, James Blunt, Frank Turner and just loads of others that do write and produce their own stuff) and almost everybody can start to write songs and things, and they don't even need a record deal to put an album out. This is kinda how music is evolving, and in my opinion, music is a lot more thriving and a lot more of the peoples music than it ever has been.

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Yes, have you heard the music that Olafur Arnalds is creating? Regina Spektor, Radiohead, The Xx, The Antlers, Luigi Rubino, Explosions in the Sky, Damien Rice, and so on... I agree "mainstream" music is usually music made for tasteless and musically wise uneducated people, but music as as good now as it was 40 years ago, rock music is as good as in the 70's, I think the difference is that 40 years ago there were "Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, The Monkeys, Jimi Hendrix" and that's it those were the big musical acts, now we've got so much music it is impossible for a generation to feel "represented" by a same band.


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