#1
hey guys I currently own a jackson RR1 and play it through a marshal mg 100hdfx with a handful of pedals. I have a Ibanez tubescreamer, metal zone, compression sustainer, noise suppressor, and a morley bad horsie wah. At first the MT-2 was cool for the palm mutes but now I can actually play and the tone in my solos sound like garbage b/c of the mt-2 im guessing. Anybody know of some mods that could help me out.

I just dropped 3g on tuition and rent (should just bought a trip rectifier ha).

Also welcome any input on the MT-2. At first I read it was like one of the most purchased pedals but after using it for a year I dont know how
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#3
No offense, but you have a $2000 guitar and a $600 halfstack.


...sell it and buy something worth playing that nice of a guitar through.
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#4
Quote by MatrixClaw
No offense, but you have a $2000 guitar and a $600 halfstack.


...sell it and buy something worth playing that nice of a guitar through.


+1

You also got alot of money in pedals. Besides the Mt-2 those other pedals could be useful down the road with nice head.
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#5
Playing an RR1 through an MG is like putting bicycle tires on a Corvette. It also won't take pedals very well, being a modeler.

If you sold it, you could use the money to fund a significant portion of a cheaper combo that might be a better fit for you.

What sort of music do you play? (metal, I'm assuming, with an RR1)
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

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#6
No offense taken I got tuition to pay though. I got the RR1 off a friend for only 1300 so I jumped at the chance. I bought the half stak when I only owned my schecter s1. Ya i play metal with this guitar. I use the schecter for anything else. I want to get either a jcm or a mesa boogie (triple or double rectifier) any suggestions
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#7
It's your amp that's mainly creating the bad tone, I would think, but the MT2 probably isn't helping things.
Try selling your MG and getting some kind of nicer amp, if that's possible?
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#8
Quote by VicRR1
No offense taken I got tuition to pay though. I got the RR1 off a friend for only 1300 so I jumped at the chance. I bought the half stak when I only owned my schecter s1. Ya i play metal with this guitar. I use the schecter for anything else. I want to get either a jcm or a mesa boogie (triple or double rectifier) any suggestions

Sorry, reading the post again I realize it's unclear.

What I meant was that you should sell your amp. Don't sell the RR1.
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#9
Quote by bubb_tubbs
It also won't take pedals very well, being a modeler.




No.

The MG is not a digital modelling amp. It is an analog solid state amp.

Anyways, op, be like Scott Hull, run the MT-2 in the FX loop with the gain at 0, as a semi-parametric EQ.
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#10
^ So noted. It'll still sound like a piece of shit, being an MG.

Better?
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I'd hold onto the metal zone. That thing is pretty versatile. I think it's all about what you do with the thing. Maybe buying a new amp is the best idea. There are some high gain amps out there that sound great with the metal zone but you might need to buy an equalizer to boost the bass and an overdrive pedal might help too. You will definitely need a noise suppressor ISP Decimator G String or ISP Rack for absolute silence. Don't waste your money on boss noise suppressor. Those things bite into your tone and don't even eliminate all the feed back. Already having a great guitar with nice pickup's will take you a long way as far as noise control is concerned so you can have all the gain you want with absolute silence with both hands not touching your guitar. Don't scoop the mids if plan on playing live because you won't hear shit and even if you find a way to hear with scooped mids it still sounds like crappy nu-metal shit. Also you might want to try putting an overdrive in your effects loop and mt2 in the front. I tried my ml2 with blues driver in effects loop and it sounds like a chainsaw from hell but i still need equalizer. Just ordered the mt2 today by the way and already know it's going to be a bitch finding the right eq but i know some heavy bands that use it and sound great.

"Dystopia" is one of them! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsLCtVI0h8E
#14
It's shit in my opinion. I've recently been shopping for a great metal pedal and I tried the MT2, and it sucked big time, like playing through a micro cube. In the end I settled on the MXR Fullbore, it's superior in every way
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#15
^ nice to hear some support for the metal zone. i have had one for a while now, and find it pretty versatile. the 4 band EQ is useful, and contrary to some opinions it's not mandatory to turn the distortion level all the way up to max.
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#16
It's shit in my opinion. I've recently been shopping for a great metal pedal and I tried the MT2, and it sucked big time, like playing through a micro cube. In the end I settled on the MXR Fullbore, it's superior in every way


Did you try the pedal along with any of the recommendations I listed above. You can't just use the mt2 alone and expect it to be balls to the wall you know. It's more complicated than that. Even if you find the right EQ for the MZ, you might need an Equalizer pedal to add more tone along with bass. Try mixing the pedal with an overdrive/distortion pedal or maxon overdrive, ts9 tube screamer, or blues driver to push it a little harder. Also you'll never know the full potential of any pedal unless you play it through a half stack which is what you will be using in a gig. Having a guitar with emg or demarzio pick-ups. The mt2 is a complicated pedal as well. It takes hours to find the right eq on the mz and patients. The knobs are super sensitive to every touch.
#17
Quote by VicRR1
hey guys I currently own a jackson RR1 and play it through a marshal mg 100hdfx with a handful of pedals. I have a Ibanez tubescreamer, metal zone, compression sustainer, noise suppressor, and a morley bad horsie wah. At first the MT-2 was cool for the palm mutes but now I can actually play and the tone in my solos sound like garbage b/c of the mt-2 im guessing. Anybody know of some mods that could help me out.

I just dropped 3g on tuition and rent (should just bought a trip rectifier ha).

Also welcome any input on the MT-2. At first I read it was like one of the most purchased pedals but after using it for a year I dont know how

I would sell the MG halfstack, compressor (unless you like compressed tones) and MT-2 and buy a 6505 112 combo. Keep the Tubescreamer for a boost/OD if you like that kind of thing, and the noise suppressor because metal amps can be noisy.
#18
Quote by Sludgedoo\m/
Did you try the pedal along with any of the recommendations I listed above. You can't just use the mt2 alone and expect it to be balls to the wall you know. It's more complicated than that. Even if you find the right EQ for the MZ, you might need an Equalizer pedal to add more tone along with bass. Try mixing the pedal with an overdrive/distortion pedal or maxon overdrive, ts9 tube screamer, or blues driver to push it a little harder. Also you'll never know the full potential of any pedal unless you play it through a half stack which is what you will be using in a gig. Having a guitar with emg or demarzio pick-ups. The mt2 is a complicated pedal as well. It takes hours to find the right eq on the mz and patients. The knobs are super sensitive to every touch.




That was so dumb, I'm going to have to break it down.

You can't just use the mt2 alone and expect it to be balls to the wall you know

Why? That's a perfectly reasonable expectation. You buy a pedal to do something and this is called a 'Metal' pedal why should it not do 'metal' on it's own?

Even if you find the right EQ for the MZ, you might need an Equalizer pedal to add more tone along with bass. Try mixing the pedal with an overdrive/distortion pedal or maxon overdrive, ts9 tube screamer, or blues driver to push it a little harder.


Surley if you had an amp that worked with an OD you wouldn't need to buy the MT-2? If your amp is SS putting an OD in front of it with the MT-2 is a surefire way to get feedback & butt load of unwanted noise.

Also you'll never know the full potential of any pedal unless you play it through a half stack which is what you will be using in a gig. Having a guitar with emg or demarzio pick-ups.


This is the major moment. A pedal can reach it's potential at any volume, with any amp (so to speak..) There's no need to get a half stack to gig unless you're playing stadium shows even then you don't need one. EMG's & Demazrio p/ups isn't going to make or break a pedal or necessarily improve your tone. Making this a moo point.

The mt2 is a complicated pedal as well. It takes hours to find the right eq on the mz and patients. The knobs are super sensitive to every touch.


I was there for about 2 months and never found anything I was happy with.

Listen to imicius up there. That's the best suggestion. Other than that, Keeley mod the MT-2 and make it into a pedal you'll want to use.
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#19
Quote by bubb_tubbs
^ So noted. It'll still sound like a piece of shit, being an MG.

Better?


Not really. The MG series actually take pedals fairly well, your point is still incorrect.

IMO you can get okayish sounds out of an MT2 if you run a ten band eq after it to fine tune. Nothing to write home about. The twilight mod makes it pretty usable.

I would ditch both the MT2 and the MG and get an amp that does justice to your guitar. Even a cheap 6262 would be worlds better
#20
You also should be messing around with the amp knobs typically high mids, high treble, high bass and high distortion.
#22
Call me a troll when all the tones including the high gain suck on your page and all you listen to is a bunch of mainstream metal garbage. The only good one you like on the list is slayer by the way. I bet you scoop the meds when you try to play metal every time and think your bad shit when YOU ACTUALLY SUCK AT METAL TONE YOU MAINSTREAM NERD. Anybody who disagrees with using equalizers and knows nothing about noise suppressors to eliminate high gain feed back is a total noob who is drunk off his own ago. You shouldn't even have one because you haven't earned the right. You expect one pedal to work magic when I told you it's not always that simple simple Ben, lol. And you said not matter what amp you use the pedal should sound the same. wow. Why don't you buy a tube amp and try pushing it to the limit and mids cranked for once? Don't be afraid to crank the distortion knob all the way for crying out loud and if you can't make the mz work then that's your problem and not the pedal. You don't even like extreme heavy underground metal anyway. This is all you listen to:
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#23
LOL

You are rude and unhelpful. Insulting the bands someone has seen is childish and beside the point. You would be better off using your time to study proper sentence construction.

Quote by Sludgedoo\m/
You also should be messing around with the amp knobs typically high mids, high treble, high bass and high distortion.


If this is the type of advice you give, I am not surprised Ben called troll...I would love to hear the type of sound you get with an amp on those settings and an MT-2
#24
I used to think My Keeley MT-2 was Pretty Good for when I had to Keep the volume down Late night's and early mornings (Wife and Neighbors).....Then I picked up a MXR Fulbore as a filler in a trade and it Kicks the $hit outta the Keeley MT-2 and true bypass to Boot!!
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#25
Quote by bubb_tubbs
^ So noted. It'll still sound like a piece of shit, being an MG.

Better?


No, as already commented, MGs take pedals well.

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#26
Well, as you have discovered, both the MG and MT-2 are some of the most hated gear on UG

However, I will have to say, that RR1 sure deserves a better amp to be played through

My suggestion? Sell the MG. Sell the MT-2. Look into a used tube combo. Your ears will thank you, at least in one way
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#28
Quote by Sludgedoo\m/
Call me a troll when all the tones including the high gain suck on your page and all you listen to is a bunch of mainstream metal garbage. The only good one you like on the list is slayer by the way. I bet you scoop the meds when you try to play metal every time and think your bad shit when YOU ACTUALLY SUCK AT METAL TONE YOU MAINSTREAM NERD. Anybody who disagrees with using equalizers and knows nothing about noise suppressors to eliminate high gain feed back is a total noob who is drunk off his own ago. You shouldn't even have one because you haven't earned the right. You expect one pedal to work magic when I told you it's not always that simple simple Ben, lol. And you said not matter what amp you use the pedal should sound the same. wow. Why don't you buy a tube amp and try pushing it to the limit and mids cranked for once? Don't be afraid to crank the distortion knob all the way for crying out loud and if you can't make the mz work then that's your problem and not the pedal. You don't even like extreme heavy underground metal anyway. This is all you listen to:


srsly?

Quote by denied
LOL

You are rude and unhelpful. Insulting the bands someone has seen is childish and beside the point. You would be better off using your time to study proper sentence construction.

If this is the type of advice you give, I am not surprised Ben called troll...I would love to hear the type of sound you get with an amp on those settings and an MT-2


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#29
Saying an MG takes pedals well is like saying a VW beetle takes a supercharger well. Sure you can bolt one on and it will go faster but it will still be a badly handling beetle with no brakes that can't be driven at the new full speed without hitting a wall.
Get a new amp TS. The MZ can be setup to drive a nice amp ok but plugged into an MG it will all still sound like a pile of smeg.
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#30
Here I am 2 years later reading back at these comments. LOL!

I have learned a lot from the Metal Zone ever since I bought the thing.

I run it into a JET CITY 50 WATT TUBE AMP W/ 4x12 cab non slanted with g12k-85 speakers.

I use a GE-7 in front of the Metal Zone to either boost or cut mids depending on what I'm going for but I never cut the mids so much that I can't be heard in the mix. Cranking the bass on the ge-7 will get you sounding heavy but you'll need to boost mids and make adjustments all over the place to get rid of mud. You can crank everything on your amp but then you'll have to cut hi freq. from either the metal zone or the ge-7. I WILL NEVER USE A METAL ZONE WITH OUT MY BOSS EQ EVER! With a pedal or rack EQ, the MT-2 can do just about anything from rock, heavy metal, punk, thrash, black metal, grindcore and even death metal.

I get extreme deep low end like cannibal corpse. Another well liked metal band that uses metal zone.

Why do you think it's boss's best selling pedal ever? Think about it. Certain things bring it to life. I have yet to find anything that can out perform my guitar tone. I come to find bands I once liked sounding boring just because my sound has improved so much in the past 2 years.