#1
Hi Everyone,

I'm in need of some help in picking a new guitar. I have been playing on an OLDDDDD ibanez GRX20 or something like that, its old - i got it about 10 years ago when i first started playing. I was hoping to pick out a new guitar but i'm not sure what to pick.

BTW - excuse anything i say below, i'm definately not a music expert so if something i say sounds wierd or irrelevant that is prolly why..

I am a big fan of metal and hard rock so a guitar that has picks with good distortion would be great. Some of my favorite bands are Lamb of God, Pantera, Down, Metallica, Black Label Society and more.

I played on a guitar before that seemed to have a softer neck, it was easier to move up and down the neck with.

My main goals would be to have a guitar that really fits my love of metal/rock, has a softer wood for the neck so its easier to move up and down the neck faster and is within a price range up to $900. Any recommendations would greatly be appreciated.

I was checking out the B.C. Rich Assassin PX3T and it looked nice, i like the body style, i'm not into the super flashy crazy/looks like it could also be a weapon guitar body style. My friend (a drummer) said he heard B.C. Rich guitars were pretty good for metal but honestly i have no clue how accurate that is, they definately have some metal looking guitars tho.. heh

One more thing - I kinda live out in the sticks and there is only 1 music store near me that never really stocks anything, so for me to go and test play them is really hard, thats why i'm here asking for advice.


Thanks for anyone/everyones advice in advance.
#2
I haven't played a bc rich in a few years, but last time I checked, they were pretty bad quality.

When looking for a guitar fitting hard rock or metal, you can't go too wrong with ESP, Schechter, or Ibanez. The mid to high end LTD sub-brand from ESP has some great models with emgs that handle distortion pretty well. Same with ibanez and some schechters, though I have considerably less experience with those.

Do a bit more research to find some pickups that you think will suit you. EMG and Seymour Duncan are good places to start when looking for high output pups. When you get that, find a guitar loaded with that type of pup, or consider buying them separately and putting them on yourself. Look for a guitar with a rosewood fretboard, if you want soft, and a thin neck profile. something with a neck-through or set neck build would probably also be preferable for you, to give you good sustain, and woods like alder or mahogany.

Also keep in mind that your amp has a lot to do with tone. If you want crushing distortion and aren't getting it or something, it's probably your amp that isn't up to par with your playing style.

Overall, it really comes down to personal preference...there's no end-all metal guitar brand. Do a bit of research on the ones I mentioned, and I think you'll find something good for yourself. If you can't try them yourself, look for some soundclips on youtube or find artists that use those guitars.
#3
Awesome man - thanks for the great advice, I will start looking into the ESP brand - i was actually considering ESP - i'm glad you told me about BC Rich - my buddy is definately not a guitarist but a killer drummer, thats why i figured i'd ask here first before buying the first BC i found.

Also, i'm not sure if this matters but I use a Line 6 Spider II amp.

Thanks again for your advice - looking forward to any others as well.
#4
One quick question, i'm checking out these two guitars here:

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Deluxe-EC1000-Stealth-Electric-Guitar?sku=476287

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Deluxe-MH1000-Electric-Guitar-with-EMGs?sku=512954

I really like the EC-1000 for the following reasons:

1. EMG 81's
2. The price
3. Mahogany neck (as recommended above)
4. Really love the color and body style

The thing that i'm not sure about is that it says it has 24.75" scale - not sure if that is good or bad - also, it doesn't have the rosewood fingerboard but it has an ebony fingerboard, is ebony not as soft as rosewood?
#5
As a owner of an EC-1000 I can tell you they really are great guitars. you wouldnt be dissapointed.
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#6
I wish the EC-1000 had a floyd rose on it, it would be perfect then (imho)
#9
Erm.. well everyone has their preferences. To find the right guitar for YOU, I would reccomend a bit of research

The reams of text below is the method i used to choose mine. Im not saying it is the best way, just the way i thought best to approach the task. If it is too much just write it down in bullet point form (also i tend to refer to ibanez a lot simply because of past experience choosing a guitar, i do not think ibanez is a superior brand nor am i suggesting this must be the brand you choose)


The golden rules i can really give you is....

1)IGNORE OPINIONS, especially on the INTERNET. One person's dream guitar can also be another's nightmare.

2)What you pay for is the quality you get.

If you are unsure about a specific guitar, TEST THEM out at the local guitar store. (If they dont sell the specific guitar test a similar one that has the same features you are testing whether it be the pickups, or fretboard or something else)


Ok here goes..

First list the features you want from your guitar on some paper (24 or 22 frets?, floating, fixed or no tremolo, humbuckers or single coils, preferred colours, price range etc)

Search your favourate band on wikipedia.com and look at their gear setup. Most well recognised bands have a history of guitars, amplifiers, drums and effects used on the site. This should give you a fairly good idea of at least 2 or 3 brands (Ibanez, Schecter, Jackson, BC Rich etc) you want to check out.

Next check out the official websites of these guitar brands (eg ibanez.com).

Bear in mind they exist to try and sell you their product, focus less on the "opinion terms" such as 'amazing sustain', 'top of the range quality' etc. Some even go as far to say 'unparralelled sustain/quality/tone'. Thats a very far-fetched claim regardless of their reputation

Instead check what each series of guitars are aimed at. Each series will have a range of slightly different guitars. 1 or 2 of them will suit you more than other when cross referenced with those features you jotted down.
Another advantage to this is that you can find out what each series is designed to do.

For example Ibanez have 25 series' on their website each with 2 - 20+ guitars belonging to it.

By selecting a series you know it is specialised in doing what you want. For example the RG series is unique because of it's 'Flat fretboard', 'wizard neck' and 'edge zero floating tremolo' ..... for me, this is ideal for performing genres such as heavy metal and heavy rock

These are cold hard facts which are far more valuble than a description based on opinion.

After many hours of researching these guitar brands and series, you should have a few series of guitars or specific guitars you would like (hopefully it should be in single digits by now!).

Double check your requirements and scrap the guitars that dont fufill these.

Test the remaining guitars. I would reccomend a weekday morning becasue it will be quietest at most guitar stores giving you the most freedom and time to test them.

Any questions, dont hesitate to ask
#10
I think you need to be changing your amp before you buy a new guitar - Line 6's are notorious for their poor tone, as youll probably find out after spending 5 minutes on these forums...

A good replacement amp to look at would be the Peavey Vypyr - very suitable for metal and not too expensive. As far as features go its fairly similar to the Line 6 Spider, but will suit your needs more whilst sounding much better.

As for the guitar, you should also check out Jackson, particularly the Dinky's
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#11
@heavens_cloud - Awesome post/recommendations man - i'm making my list right now to do more research - thanks a ton
#12
Interesting notes on the Line 6 barfrog - I was actually going to pick up their shortboard pedal for it too, maybe i will wait on that and see if a new amp would suit better. I know i really need a new guitar tho. My guitar is such a POS - although it is definatyle a beginner guitar and was originally a christmas gift 10 years ago. The damn thing never stays in tune and i'm not fond of the wood on the fretboard.
#13
I sort of worded my answer poorly, sorry!! You could pick up a nice Jackson DXMG AND a Peavey Vypyr 30 for well under $900...

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jackson-DXMG-Dinky-Electric-Guitar-with-EMG-Pickups?sku=520315

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-Vypyr-30-30W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=482909


That rig would do everything you want whilst sounding great, and youll have quite a bit of beer money left over!!

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Schecter Blackjack ATX C-7
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#14
hahah beer money left over is always good! or pedal money! thanks, i will check them out!!
#15
I notice the jackson have EMG HZ pickups - is there a big diff between the 81's versus the HZ's? What would you guys recommend for my musical tastes - pantera, lamb of god, metallica - i thought that metallica (realy only like justice and previous) used 81's
#16
Obviously the HZ's are used instead of the 81/85 to cut the cost down, but overall i dont think theres a huge amount of difference - the guitar still sounds great. Whatever way you look at it, the DXMG is a great axe for its price, and is ideal for metal and hard rock.

If you really wanted to, you could use some of that left over cash to swap out the HZ's for an EMG 81/85 setup, but personally i dont think it wouldnt make a difference worth the time, effort and money...
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Ibanez RG350MYE
Yamaha Pacifica 012
Tanglewood Evo Exotic TSF CE XFM


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Vox Night Train w/ V112NT
Vox Valvetronix VT30


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MIA Strat
Schecter Blackjack ATX C-7
Diezel VH4



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Last edited by barfrog at Jan 10, 2010,
#18
just thought id let you know ebony is better in most players opinion as a fretboard it is softer and more expensive plus looks cooler that guitar is awesome get it fo shiz cant go wrong with ltd or esp guitars .


Quote by LTY83
One quick question, i'm checking out these two guitars here:

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Deluxe-EC1000-Stealth-Electric-Guitar?sku=476287

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Deluxe-MH1000-Electric-Guitar-with-EMGs?sku=512954

I really like the EC-1000 for the following reasons:

1. EMG 81's
2. The price
3. Mahogany neck (as recommended above)
4. Really love the color and body style

The thing that i'm not sure about is that it says it has 24.75" scale - not sure if that is good or bad - also, it doesn't have the rosewood fingerboard but it has an ebony fingerboard, is ebony not as soft as rosewood?
#19
emg hz's are the passive version of the 81 ie: theyre not battery powered they are really good distortion pickups but arent as hot as then active 81's

Quote by LTY83
great, thanks barfrog
#20
Quote by Lucd
emg hz's are the passive version of the 81 ie: theyre not battery powered they are really good distortion pickups but arent as hot as then active 81's

Erm pretty much yeah

Like i said, the difference isnt worth it. Especially considering youll have to spend $200+ on the two pups, then replace them yourself (if you havent done any modding before, this can be tough). And passives are less hassle - no batteries as Lucd says...
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Ibanez RG350MYE
Yamaha Pacifica 012
Tanglewood Evo Exotic TSF CE XFM


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Vox Night Train w/ V112NT
Vox Valvetronix VT30


GAS List
MIA Strat
Schecter Blackjack ATX C-7
Diezel VH4



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