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#1
Weeeelll.
I was kind of bored and listened to some eminem.
Eminem´s songs are normally kept really simple.
Drums-Vox-Bass.
I was kind of drunk.
I jammed to it in a blues scale.
The improv just came to me.
It´s hard to explain, it was some kind of blues staccato shuffle thingy.


The question is:
Why is the guitar not popular in the Rapping/Hip-hop community?
It goes so well with it.
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#2
Lil Wayne


Though I hate him he does use guitar quite often (in a shitty way)


EDIT: WAAAAY more acts use it, cba to write em all down so here's a couple of em:

Afroman
Twiztid
Atmosphere
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#3
because you need skill and the ability to remember things longer than 5 minutes in order to play guitar
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#4
thats reli true man. lol wayn has some reli cool licks in his songs no joke. he also plays guitar and his fav band is nirvana.
yeh rap is cool to improv to coz of the solid beat.
its just that rappers are ******s, so they dont feature theguitar more.
#6
Why is the guitar not popular in the Rapping/Hip-hop community.

Rap began as the music of kids in New York city who were very poor. They couldn’t afford instruments, didn’t get music lessons, and their school systems didn’t have much in the way of music programs. So they just rapped over their records. Using samples and loops is fundamental to rap because of these low-income roots.
#8
Rage Against The Machine. Pretty much all of their songs.
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#9
Because rap and hip-hop are very different than other musical genres. It's based on vocals and the music rides in the back seat. You also have to remember who's making the music. Producers make the music, not musicians.
#11
I think it's not popular in today's rap music because for some of the rap fans, rock sucks, and guitar is rock, so...

Plus guitar doesn't always fit big beats and up tempo "BOOOOTTYYYY BOOOTTYY ASS BOOTY BOOTY ASS" songs.
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Rap began as the music of kids in New York city who were very poor. They couldn’t afford instruments, didn’t get music lessons, and their school systems didn’t have much in the way of music programs. So they just rapped over their records. Using samples and loops is fundamental to rap because of these low-income roots.


This.

Much random ignorance has been spewed in this thread, but this hits the answer right on the head.

Although, enough hiphop has made use of guitars since it's birth that it's not really that groundbreaking to use guitars (sampled or 'live') in rap.
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#16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewRjZoRtu0Y It samples the intro to Straight To Hell. Not the best example, but guitar is used plenty. Also, plenty of Gil Scott-Heron has guitar in.

By the same token though, why aren't found sounds, samples, synths, drum machines, spoken word pieces and the like used in guitar music more?
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#17
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can anybody give me any tips on playing guitar on a rap/hip hop track?

DO NOT play lead, unless there's a nice break that you could solo in. I've found that lead guitar in rap tends to be overwhelming and takes away from the vocals, which ultimately are what rap is all about.
Play rhythm, try to repeat some cool riffs as you would if you were a producer 'looping' the guitar.
Listen to some rap music with guitar. Flobots, Rage Against the Machine (I don't really consider them rap rock/metal but whatever), The Social Street Sweeper Club, that one Buckethead track up there, El Guante and the Big Cats, etc etc.
You ultimately want to keep the feel of the rap. Listen to the rhymes, read the words, and try to understand the lyrics as best you can. Once you understand what the lyrics are about, try to relate them as much as you can to yourself, and try to catch the emotion involved in the rap. Once you've got that, try to create a guitar track that would complement that mood.
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#18
thanks, specially you baby joel that was really helpful, what it is is a couple of my mates rap and asked me if id do some guitar parts, he made me a cd with beats and stuff on but i cant figure out what to do
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Quote by Dawnwalker
Weeeelll.
I was kind of bored and listened to some eminem.
Eminem´s songs are normally kept really simple.
Drums-Vox-Bass.
I was kind of drunk.
I jammed to it in a blues scale.
The improv just came to me.
It´s hard to explain, it was some kind of blues staccato shuffle thingy.


The question is:
Why is the guitar not popular in the Rapping/Hip-hop community?
It goes so well with it.


It's used a hell of a lot, you just don't realise it:

Acoustic Strumming
Distortion
MIDI controller
The typical Rasta tones that rappers just love (lol)
And various other effects
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#20
Rage Against the machine

also

Flipsyde or Flipside ..dunno how they write it. they're awesome
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#21
Mos Def w/ The Black Keys

Look at other Blakroc stuff aswell.

Some more Mos Def, in fact that whole album has got guitar stuff on it

There is lots of rap-rock out there to be honest. I seem to remember a Snoop Dogg/RATM song tagged on to the end of one of his albums as well.
#23
There's a 99 Problems and Voodoo Child mashup that I think is the best combination of Guitar and hip-hop. It's real guitar and real hip-hop, none of that watered down stuff where they tone it down to match each other. Just 2 people doing what they love without reservations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqpXmwSUmGg
#25
^That is NOT rap, and definitely not hip-hop.
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#26
yeah that isnt anywhere close, i think he wants all original stuff but ill see if i can take some ideas
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Quote by gangsta_rick
thanks, specially you baby joel that was really helpful, what it is is a couple of my mates rap and asked me if id do some guitar parts, he made me a cd with beats and stuff on but i cant figure out what to do

It's already got loops and stuff right? So you'll be able to figure out what key the song is in? If you can figure that out, you should really have no problem.
An easy thing to do would just be to play power chords, no need to be playing add6 chords.
Just mess around with chords and stuff. I'm sure you'll get it in no time.

Good luck!
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#29
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I think it's not popular in today's rap music because for some of the rap fans, rock sucks, and guitar is rock, so...

Plus guitar doesn't always fit big beats and up tempo "BOOOOTTYYYY BOOOTTYY ASS BOOTY BOOTY ASS" songs.

The same can be said for some rock fans, look at the kids in there br00tulz slipknot shirt, parachute pants, and mascara where they think all rap is about dancing. And hell glam metal sounds like Booty Booty Ass Ass just with guitars and shitty drums.

There is always 2 sides to a story...


Anyway TS, look at some Rage Against The Machine and Street Sweeper Social Club.
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#30
Quote by Baby Joel
It's already got loops and stuff right? So you'll be able to figure out what key the song is in? If you can figure that out, you should really have no problem.
An easy thing to do would just be to play power chords, no need to be playing add6 chords.
Just mess around with chords and stuff. I'm sure you'll get it in no time.

Good luck!


its just basically drums and a little bit of bass really, on one of the track was something that sounds like a digital wah keyboard or something so i tried to replicate it on the guitar but added distortion, i think it sounded ok, ive not been doing improve for long so im still getting to grips with it, and i only know the A pentatonic lol
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#31
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The same can be said for some rock fans, look at the kids in there br00tulz slipknot shirt, parachute pants, and mascara where they think all rap is about dancing. And hell glam metal sounds like Booty Booty Ass Ass just with guitars and shitty drums.

There is always 2 sides to a story...

Anyway TS, look at some Rage Against The Machine and Street Sweeper Social Club.


Sorry, thats only nu-metal, IMO. And its mainly garbage anyway. (Deftones and SoaD are good) Just didn't want you tpo get those genres mixed up :P
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#32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26sLIC-G5DQ&feature=related When I think a mix of guitar and hip hop, I think remixes like this. It's freaking awesome, imo. Loving Tupac's rhymes and Metallica's guitar.
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#34
Guitars are common in hip hop. They just aren't always the center of attention. And when they are, it's cheesy.
#35
@BluSouthPaw i agree i love it
@ibrahimasood dude i love this, i didnt think it was kirk hammet though but then i heard the wah pedal lol
@werty22 like kevin rudolf haha,
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#36
Tech N9ne is really the only rapper still making music (I prefer older rap) who I'll listen to. And he uses some Heavy Metal sounding riffs in some songs. "Riot Maker" comes to mind, really good song too.

And he grew up in and sings about my hometown (Kansas City) so he scores extra win points.
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#37
If you listen closely guitar features in almost all of Eminem's songs from 1999 - 2003.

Also
Fabolous - Can't Let You Go
50 Cent - When It Rains It Pours
Jay-Z - Death of Autotune
Lloyd Banks - Smile
Tony Yayo - Live By The Gun
Eminem - I Remember
P Diddy - Bad Boy 4 Life
Eminem - Marshall Mathers (a brilliant song may I add)
Asher Roth - I Love College
Jay-Z - 99 Problems
Jay-Z feat. Beyonce - 03 Bonnie and Clyde


I don't even like rap but I've stumbled across these good riffs...I agree hip hop and guitar do mix very well
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#38
Quote by VanTheKraut
Tech N9ne is really the only rapper still making music (I prefer older rap) who I'll listen to. And he uses some Heavy Metal sounding riffs in some songs. "Riot Maker" comes to mind, really good song too.

And he grew up in and sings about my hometown (Kansas City) so he scores extra win points.


i agree older rap is sooo much better
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#39
ive definatly got plenty to look at tomorrow, i really want to get it right so i can impress them
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#40
just out of curiosity does anybody know a cheap way of recording just so i could do a few bits to show him
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