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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday he has asked film producers to make "socialist soap operas", with government help if needed, because there's too much capitalism on television.

"A while ago, I was in Cuba and they broadcast soap operas there, not capitalist soap operas but with a social content, socialist" soap operas, Chavez told a group of filmmakers and scriptwriters guested on his weekly radio and television show, "Alo Presidente".

"I'm going to ask that we make socialist soap operas (in Venezuela), instead of capitalist ones."

The firebrand leftist leader offered government help to producers following his advice.

"We can also make good movies," he added. "Not capitalist movies that are poison and incite our children to take drugs and even push them into crime."

In 2006, Chavez opened Villa del Cine, a filmmaking centre outside Caracas that produces full-length and short films and documentaries.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=992665

Thoughts on this? Is there 'too much capitalism' on TV? Is that good or bad? Suggest me a poll and I'll add it. Unless it's stupid.
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#3
There is too much television, fullstop, capitalist or not.

And Hugo Chavez is a dumbfuck commie demagogue.
#4
If I lived in a socialist society I might hate TV for being so capitalist, luckily I don't, so I don't care. I've actually never even had it enter my mind that TV is too capitalist. YAY for CAPITALISM!
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#5
I don't think the people that watch Soap Opera's are the kind of people to care about this in the first place, I can't really imagine them going " Ugh! Turn the channel! This soap is far too capitalist for my liking!".

On a serious note, I think it would be better if we had TV without some political agenda, but obviously that's easier said than done.
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#6
Well I'm not a fan of Capitalism at all. But this smacks of propganda - Chavez should be reinforcing his people's belief in Socialism by showing them the virtues of the system in tangible ways, rather than by fabricating the 'reality' of it.

I would be interested to see one of his programs though - it might turn out not as propoganda, but as a program reflecting the everyday lives of Venezualans as they are now. Which would be brilliant. I just don't know if it will turn out that way...
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#7
i like how che guevara spent his whole life fighting capitalism becoming a worldwide hero, only to be remembered by his face being stuck on an extremely mass-produced t-shirt.
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+1
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#10
Wait, when did we start caring about Venezuela?
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#11
I like Television

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#15
Thanks Hugo Chaves! I was afraid video games were pushing me into crime and drugs, but it was capitalist television! Thank God I stopped watching Tv for videogames!
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#16
Capitalism sells.


What can I say?

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#17
Some of my thoughts....

Much of the capitalism on TV is due to Corporate Greed wanting more money, the networks and product manufacturers want to make money regardless of weather they "need it" or not. After all, everyone just has to own a Ferrari, have gourmet five star quisine, and live in an ivory tower in Beverly Hills.

- Consumers who are not discerning enough. Much of my personal hatred of advertising is that what they are selling is sold on the merit of hybe generated by famous people, glamor, and the bandwagon approach because so many are scared to do their own thing or be "uncool" and "out of style". Also, those same consumers are the reason the advertising and product placement exists in it's present form. If you've ever watched or seen advertising going back, people often made a claim why their product is better, and that's the kind of advertising I can get behind, as long as it's factual, but so much of it now relies on the complexity of modern society to hide the truth now I'm of the point of view we should go back to just "word of mouth" and most companies would survive still.

I'm at a split, because I believe in the 1st amendment, and to abolish or forcibly prohibit advertising, product placement, or any other form of putting your product out there would be infringing upon the first amendment rights of the company to bring their product to the masses and express their entity to the masses, but on the other hand, it also creates a situation where they try to play on one's psyche through various approaches to lead the weaker amongst us into thinking they want or need a good or service regardless of weather it's morally right or not.

So here's my take, if this is becoming so much of a problem, I don't blame the "evil" corporations, nor do I blame political propaganda, but I blame one thing, US! We're the ones who buy the products, throwing away crap that the companies claim is "useless" every few years because we refuse to learn more about the world around us and about the things we buy, but rather look cool with that new gadget or article of clothing we see on TV.

I'm the kind of guy who gets 7-10 years out of his computer, has had the same truck since he got his drivers licence, and has kept most of the guitars he's ever owned, and refused to give into the trends of the time. But sometimes I buy into what they are selling if my own private research indicates the product they are selling might benifit me that way, and then I'll hold onto it.

Let's take for example, MP3 players. I bought a Zune because it holds 80GB of normal MP3 music and does not need proprietary file formats to do the job, and it seems to be rather robust enough to hold up well. Even though the screen is broke and everyone is pushing me to buy a brand spankin' new Zune HD, why do I want to lose 20GB of data storeage for something that may or may not be better than the other, to me an OLED touch screen and questionably useable internet access is not enough, if I needed that stuff I would have bought an I-Phone just to have one less thing in my pocket. After all, the screen may be cracked in one spot, and my lock button might be busted, but it still works fine and i see no purpose in replacing it for a minor inconvenience, so why do so?

And if this seems excessively long.....well, here's the short....
The whole problem with capitalism on TV is not the capitalism, but the idiot consumers who keep buying useless crap they don't need in the name of either being cool or having the "latest and the greatest". I might be uncool and out of style, and maybe my apartment resembles 1984 (the Time period, not the Orwell novel), but I like it that way, and the experience is ruined by too many TV commercials to me anyway, so guess what, my old 1980's TV is used for video games instead of TV. The internet is nice that way, no advertising (if you choose to find ways to avoid it).
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#21
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I remember him more for his brutal murdering ways.

And helping Fidel create yet another dictatorship after overthrowing Batista. They should have made a democracy .

On topic, I agree that soap operas are awkwardly capitalist. I live in Argentina so latin american soap operas are a norm over here, and believe me, they don't fit with our reality in any possible way. I like that he's trying to make them more according to our reality.
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#22
what are you a communist.
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#23
Chavez is your average useless communist bitch, nothing surprising here.

I always laugh at people blaming capitalism, by the way. Even if it does leave a lot of people behind and produces some pretty messed up things at times, at least it gives people opportunities to succeed and freedom to choose. Capitalism feeds on people's needs (even if they're often based on greed and the need for personal prestige), rather than corruption and alienation. It is the most flexible system humanity has come up with so far, and like anything it is flawed when it falls into excess, but nothing more.
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#26
Only in America.


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#27
Poll options for you Kjell
1 Who Cares - TV Sucks
2 Who Cares - Hugo Chavez Blows
3 Who Cares - I Saw Hugo Chavez On TV
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#28
Option 4

Who's Hugo Chavez

This is the internet, full of uneducated youngsters.
#29
The guy seems ****ing nuts, I would highly doubt he is actually a socialist, it really irratates me how many politicains have ruined the potential success of such a brilliant set of ideas by being massive cunts and then claiming there actions are 'communist'. It's almost as annoying as the fact that all one needs to do is say 'i'm a Communist' and that will forever be their officail title, regardless of how authoritarian their views and actions are.

Incidently: Did this remind anyone else of the Family Guy Communist sitcom joke? Really wish I could find a clip of it.
#30
TV is and always has been simply another method of capitalistic mind-control. Unscrupulous power brokers have always been seeking to use such direct lines into our consciousness to fill us with consumerist greed by dangling beautiful baubles in front of us for us to grab and clutch at like teased children.

At its best, television can open our eyes to social problems and provide us with enlightenment and information, at its worst it can brainwash us into greedy consumerism.

We are of course far more subject to the latter because, let's be honest, it's a lot easier to simply watch mindless garbage than face up to the reality of life around us. I would ask soaps and dramas, if people want to watch them, to be at least realistic and to portray real views and such, not some kind of manicured, fluffy view of what the real world is. The current system functions of the basic tenet that people are too stupid to make their own minds up about what they see and thus must be guided with completely unsubtle 'messages' hammered bluntly home.

Eugh. Media has become a capitalist tool, quite simply. We should expropriate control of what is piped into our living rooms in one of two ways - rise up in proletarian revolution and regain control of the media from the fat-cat fascist barons.

Or just switch off the telly and look at the world around you.
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#31
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There is too much television, fullstop, capitalist or not.

And Hugo Chavez is a dumbfuck commie demagogue.


This is by far the smartest reply somebody has given to this thread.

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#32
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TV is and always has been simply another method of capitalistic mind-control. Unscrupulous power brokers have always been seeking to use such direct lines into our consciousness to fill us with consumerist greed by dangling beautiful baubles in front of us for us to grab and clutch at like teased children.

At its best, television can open our eyes to social problems and provide us with enlightenment and information, at its worst it can brainwash us into greedy consumerism.

We are of course far more subject to the latter because, let's be honest, it's a lot easier to simply watch mindless garbage than face up to the reality of life around us. I would ask soaps and dramas, if people want to watch them, to be at least realistic and to portray real views and such, not some kind of manicured, fluffy view of what the real world is. The current system functions of the basic tenet that people are too stupid to make their own minds up about what they see and thus must be guided with completely unsubtle 'messages' hammered bluntly home.

Eugh. Media has become a capitalist tool, quite simply. We should expropriate control of what is piped into our living rooms in one of two ways - rise up in proletarian revolution and regain control of the media from the fat-cat fascist barons.

Or just switch off the telly and look at the world around you.


Says the man with the hammer and sickle. If only the media was run by a socialist/communist government, instead of by private companies we would live in a utopia. Because we all know people are to stupid to use common sense. Only the government knows whats best for us.
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#34
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Says the man with the hammer and cycle. If only the media was run by a socialist/communist government, instead of by private companies we would live in a utopia. Because we all know people are to stupid to use common sense. Only the government knows whats best for us.

I do believe that is a universal truth.
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Says the man with the hammer and cycle. If only the media was run by a socialist/communist government, instead of by private companies we would live in a utopia. Because we all know people are to stupid to use common sense. Only the government knows whats best for us.

Watch out or you'll get a ride-by thumping.

Notice I said that the current pervasive influence of media seeks to supplant all independent thought. What I want is to give people back their own senses of critical thought about what they see on TV, not to replace capitalistic doping with communistic doping.
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Watch out or you'll get a ride-by thumping.

Notice I said that the current pervasive influence of media seeks to supplant all independent thought. What I want is to give people back their own senses of critical thought about what they see on TV, not to replace capitalistic doping with communistic doping.

TV is a medium of the least common denominator. The shows that succeed are the ones that people watch. That thought alone scares me.
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Watch out or you'll get a ride-by thumping.

Notice I said that the current pervasive influence of media seeks to supplant all independent thought. What I want is to give people back their own senses of critical thought about what they see on TV, not to replace capitalistic doping with communistic doping.





I don't really get how soap operas can be capitalist or socialist. Never heard of it. But are we bitching about companies advertising there products on tv? I guess I'm not quite sure whats happening here.
#39
Quote by Jackal58
TV is a medium of the least common denominator. The shows that succeed are the ones that people watch. That thought alone scares me.
PBS ftw.

Hmm. We risk tarring all TV with the same brush. There is some extremely incisive and brilliant TV journalism out there. Just masses and masses of trash, which people want to watch and which therefore is 'successful'.Stopping what people will pay to watch becoming utterly ubiquitous is something that sorely needs to happen - otherwise that which is incredibly important but people are unwilling to pay for just disappears from sight (independent journalism, news channels, local TV, public service etc).
#40
Quote by Kumanji
TV is and always has been simply another method of capitalistic mind-control. Unscrupulous power brokers have always been seeking to use such direct lines into our consciousness to fill us with consumerist greed by dangling beautiful baubles in front of us for us to grab and clutch at like teased children.

At its best, television can open our eyes to social problems and provide us with enlightenment and information, at its worst it can brainwash us into greedy consumerism.

We are of course far more subject to the latter because, let's be honest, it's a lot easier to simply watch mindless garbage than face up to the reality of life around us. I would ask soaps and dramas, if people want to watch them, to be at least realistic and to portray real views and such, not some kind of manicured, fluffy view of what the real world is. The current system functions of the basic tenet that people are too stupid to make their own minds up about what they see and thus must be guided with completely unsubtle 'messages' hammered bluntly home.

Eugh. Media has become a capitalist tool, quite simply. We should expropriate control of what is piped into our living rooms in one of two ways - rise up in proletarian revolution and regain control of the media from the fat-cat fascist barons.

Or just switch off the telly and look at the world around you.


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