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#1
Forgive me if this has been done. It probably has.

How do y'all see metal evolving in the future? Will new sub-genres be created, and will we smack ourselves in the face for not thinking of them first? Will there be a new wave of (x) metal to rival the new popularity of thrash, or will a relatively small genre like stoner get more popular where it's never been particularly popular before? Who will be the next Metallica? Will Immolation start doing breakdowns? Will the 2010s finally see the creation of skiffle metal? Will Dino Cazares ever release his home-made porn vids? Dishcuss.


inb4 DEATHCORE'S SHIT. Keep it civil.
#2
Been done, but it probably turned to shit, like everything nice we get in here. We may aswell try again.

In the last thread, we had conversations of how 'heavy' everything was going to get. Some said it'll get more brutal than we can imagine, while others argued that it's about as brutal as it gets already.


Personally, though:
In terms of scenes/genres, I can see post metal becoming bigger, but completely overshadowed by Mastodon and Baroness, and similar bands that will surely follow.

Djent will probably be the new deathcore though. As in, the new popular br00tulz genre that all the kvlt kids hate.

But I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.
#3
Brutal music will never be mainstream, the general public will always like pop singer who lip sync.
#4
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Djent will probably be the new deathcore though. As in, the new popular br00tulz genre that all the kvlt kids hate.



Yeah, I see that. I think it'll have a shorter lifespan than deathcore has had so far though, there are only so many funny rhythms a man can take...
#5
I don't really know what genres there are to 'revive'. The Thrash Revival proved to be a pretty huge failure, despite my great hope in it; seemingly created entirely by Metal Hammer and Earache to shift a few unpopular artists.

I see things becoming more Avant Garde, with Post Metal becoming pretty popular.
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#6
Most likely there will be a surge of new post/prog metal acts, but I honestly can't see any brand new innovation that will hit the scene. Granted this may be the exact same thing people were thinking back then too.
#7
I can see djent being a kind of wave popularity. Lots of 17 year old kids will get into Bulb and Animals as Leaders and we'll have 3 years of copy cats bands, and then it'll fade as those kids get bored of it and move on, and then new 17 year olds will find THOSE recordings and start the whole cycle again.
#8
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Yeah, I see that. I think it'll have a shorter lifespan than deathcore has had so far though, there are only so many funny rhythms a man can take...


That and the fact alot of people are sick of it yet two of the most popular bands from the genre haven't even released their first albums yet.
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#9
Guitars will be replaced by basses. Basses will be replaced with synthesizers to get frequencies below the lowest possible tuning of basses. Vocals will be clean.

Or guitars will return to a reasonable tuning, and much more emphasis will be put on melodies! And they'll all cut their nasty hair.

Edit: Triphopcore.
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#11
It could get heavier, but then it would be indecipherable, just a sludge of horrible mess.

I think the trend will move towards more Progressive music. Bands can't get heavier, so they get smarter so-to-speak.
#12
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It could get heavier, but then it would be indecipherable, just a sludge of horrible mess.

I think you mean 'more extreme', not 'heavier'. Heavier would make it more crushing/pounding..but I guess I can understand if you mean 'extreme'...Although I don't know if you mean it in a negative way or a Portal way..
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#13
Less guitar solos.
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#14
Stoner metal will see a great resurgence as Marijuana gets legalized in the USA this decade, with other countries to follow in its footsteps. And Dream Theater will realize that they've been making shitty music lately, so they'll stop.
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#15
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Stoner metal will see a great resurgence as Marijuana gets legalized in the USA this decade, with other countries to follow in its footsteps. And Dream Theater will realize that they've been making shitty music lately, so they'll stop.

You know how I'm generally grumpy and the last to say something nice, but Mr. Star, that post is nothing short of a sermon spoken by an angel.
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#16
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I hope,
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#17
crowbar worship
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#18
The metalcore fad will die out soon as nu metal did in the early 2000s and glam did in the early 90s, decent bands that have been lumped into that genre (Lamb of God, Chimaira etc) will come more into the metal scene as bands like Slipknot did. Prog metal will take it too far and die.
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#19
More Prog/Avant-Garde metal is my guess.
Portal will become an adjective like progressive to describe something that uses alot of noise to make the atmosphere.
Classical influence in metal will reach an all time high, virtually replacing blues and jazz influence.

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Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n"

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#21
Metalcore is on its way out already, as are the hipster driven "post-metal" and stoner rock scenes. Sales for all of these styles peaked in the first half of 2008 and have dropped precipitously since. None of these scenes had deep roots in the metal community, their continued existence pretty much depended on continuing to carve out a commercial niche among fans of mainstream music styles (aggro radio rock on the one hand and indie on the other), so expect bands of these sorts to have disappeared altogether within the next 3 years.

Right now, we're coming out of a lost decade. Perhaps "lost decade" is a slight understatement: a case can certainly be made that there hasn't been an exciting and coherent movement within the genre since drug addled criminality, excessive hype and personal drama torpedoed the European black metal movement circa 1995 or so. So does metal go further down the irrelevance spiral in the coming decade, or does it enjoy a new creative life?

Positive Signs:

1. We're seeing (or will see) the return to metal of several reliably creative voices from an earlier era (Burzum, Beherit, Asphyx, Gorguts etc.), as well as continued artistic productivity from some older holdouts like Immolation, Summoning and The Chasm. What is really needed is a total reboot followed by a restoration of the system at the last known good configuration. Metal needs to retrace its steps to the last place it was actually on the road to somewhere, then proceed from that point.

2. Mp3s, file hosting services and archival projects like the Dark Legions Archive and the Encycloaedia Metallum have given the current generation of metal fans the ability to gather a much more complete sense of entire history of metal and range of possibilities within the genre than was available at any other time in history, potentially laying the groundwork for more Darwinian and less blindly tolerant market conditions for metal going forward.

3. The hipster pricks and asshole jocks who latched onto the Southern Lord bullshit and metalcore, respectively, circa 2005-2009 are beginning to drop out and move on, taking with them the easy money of the last few years, and, again, hopefully laying the groundwork for a fanbase less willing to accept mediocrity and more willing to weed out the weak.

4. The bubble economy has burst, again, sucking a lot of the money out of the scene, killing off a lot of these useless bedroom labels that were flooding the market with cd-r crap and furthering the cause of developing a more discriminating fanbase. The social alienation engendered by the slow decline of Western-style democracy and the collapse of the global economy can't help but fuel the kind of anger, hatred and understanding ("Only death is real") that has always been the real currency of great metal. Metal has always fared poorly in times of great complacency. Periods of economic, political or social dislocation have always benefited metal on the creative front as people become more aware that the world as it exists is totally FUBAR.

Negative Signs:

1. The ever-increasing media and information saturation is immensely distracting, culturally and socially enervating, and makes separating good information from bad much more difficult, especially for the young and impressionable, particularly given that most of the "information" (and the most accessible information, at that) being bandied about is designed to bring about submission to the status quo, or at least acquiescence to its continued existence. We teach love, tolerance, passivity, indulgence, caution and obedience - the virtues of weakness - instead of virtues of strength like ambition, discipline, discriminatory judgment (i.e. the ability to distinguish between that which is good and useful and that which is not), and the understanding that active struggle and divergence rather than peace, passivity and consensus form the real basis of our strength (not coincidentally, these are also the virtues to which metal has always aspired).

2. Many in the metal fanbase have too much invested in the DIY system that emerged over the last 10-12 years to give it up without a fight. Without some degree of separation between fans, artists, labels and critics, you end up with no "gatekeepers" and the good gets buried under a mountain of crap.

3. As of yet, no creatively coherent new movement has emerged to breathe the kind of systematic life back into the genre that it so desperately needs, certainly nothing on the scale of the emergence of death and black metal circa 1988-1994. Most of the best contemporary metal artists are holdovers from an earlier generation of metal.

Personally, I expect the next 3-5 years to be the crucial ones. I believe that there is still fertile ground for creative exploration among metal bands, but individual bands operating in isolation with a mostly indifferent fanbase can't really expect to have a meaningful impact. What is needed is the sort of creative rebirth we last saw during the first half of the 1990s. A core cadre of a few dozen bands, sharing similar ideals and moving in a similar creative direction simultaneously needs to emerge. At that point, as with death and black metal before them, the momentum becomes self-sustaining as bands learn from one another and compete with one another in a Darwinian environment where the bands that can, do, and the bands that can't keep up are forced out of the marketplace and into their day jobs. What metal can't survive as a culturally relevant force is another directionless decade like the last one.
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#22
Oh, so you're the new one.

You're late.
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#25
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as are the hipster driven stoner rock scenes





Existed far before your beloved golden era.
Your post isn't ridiculously disillusioned as I had expected, but I had to point out the one part that was.
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#26
Such disillusion, such wishful thinking...

I almost feel bad for you.
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#27
Haha, as soon as I saw the link to Dark Legions Archive I knew my time was better spent doing something that wasn't reading the rest of it.
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#28
Underneath their pretentious hodgepodgery and righteous sense of self importance, there are very minute glimmers of valid points to be made.

The rest of it is aaallllll masturbation baby.
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
#29
The current stoner rock scene has pretty much ****-all to do with anything that came before Sleep and Electric Wizard, though, Goldfish, and most of them are at least as influenced by the drone scene as by the stoner rock of the 1990s. Some variation of the stoner rock theme pops up about every ten years, is briefly popular with record store clerks, and then just sort of goes dormant when the new generation realizes that:

A.) weed isn't ultimately a very interesting basis for a whole genre of music

and

B.) working shit hourly wage jobs just so they can keep smoking dope isn't really what they want for their lives going forward.

The stoner rock mini-revival of 2005-2008 is already pretty much dead, largely because it was mostly just tagging along on the coattails of the drone scene, anyway.
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#30
You honestly don't have a very informed view of that strain, do you?

Seems to me that you're mixing bands like Bongzilla with bands like Baroness. Both have different roots.
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#31
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Underneath their pretentious hodgepodgery and righteous sense of self importance, there are very minute glimmers of valid points to be made.

The rest of it is aaallllll masturbation baby.


What is self-righteous about addressing the reasons metal has sucked for the last 15 years and hoping that a new decade brings a return to form for the genre?
#32
Nothing my dear.

Besides, this thread is not about you, and really does not need to be side tracked into an endless direction that we have seen to much.

Anyways, back to the subject on hand. I predict that metal will do the same thing its been doing since its immaculate inception.

90% shit, 10% golden.

Sturgeon's law is never wrong.

Who knows though, the future is a devious thing.
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
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#33
For most who don't give a rat's arse about the trends that come and go, it'll be pretty much the same, some bands will continue to release quality in their own field that won't get appreciated beyond the fanbase they already established.

All in all, there'll be enough good material coming out of anyone's preferred sub-genres to tide people by. While the passing trends will mean nothing to those who don't follow it. Same shit, different decade.
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#34
I predict Cormorant's Metazoa as being a spearhead of a new style that will emerge.
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#35
Metal won't die as long as there are fans

Hell, I think doom metal underground is doing better than ever since it's birth 40 years ago


Seriously though, if you only follow what's going on in the mainstream metal world, then of course it seems that "Metal is dying BAWWWW". All these mainstream fads come and go, but Manilla Road and such will remain
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#36
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You honestly don't have a very informed view of that strain, do you?

Seems to me that you're mixing bands like Bongzilla with bands like Baroness. Both have different roots.


Dixie Collins was one of the central figures of the last stoner rock revival in the mid-90s, and the sound of all of his bands reflects that. Baroness is a not-ready-for-their-closeup-Mr.-DeMille version of Mastodon. The new breed of stoner rock always sounds to me like Khanate covering Chrono.Naut.
#38
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Nothing my dear.

Besides, this thread is not about you, and really does not need to be side tracked into an endless direction that we have seen to much.

Anyways, back to the subject on hand. I predict that metal will do the same thing its been doing since its immaculate inception.

90% shit, 10% golden.

Sturgeon's law is never wrong.

Who knows though, the future is a devious thing.


So is the past, apparently, since we've had 99.9999% shit for the last 15 years, and .0001% silver, with basically no gold to speak of. There's not a single metal album released in the last decade that would have made a top 10 list in 1992 or 1985. The bad music isn't really any worse, but there are no highs to balance the lows.

Plus, in 1992, it was easy to get away from Pantera. Now you can't watch a ballgame or boxing match without being assaulted by metalcore.
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#40
Let me get my crystal ball and I shall gaze into the future.

The emo movement will fuse with depressive suicidal black metal (I always though that was a stupid name). The signs are there, they are getting older and looking for more "mature" music. Black metal still has a sort of mystic vibe to it, and the music is somewhat depressing, just how they like it. Xasthur will eventually be hailed as the best thing since sliced bread.

I also predict a fuse between melodic death metal and sludge, it will be weird, very few people will like it. But eventually it will work and become an established subgenre of metal.