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the_wassel
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Well, I decided to clean up my act and become a contributing member of the UG community and stop cluddering the forum with useless threads. So here's a question, what band most influence punk, but wasn't exactly "punk". Some people say The Stooges, others the MC5, The Velvet Underground and the Sonics. What do you guys think?
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#2
Hey! you're the guy that's writing that 'Career Opportunities' story yeah? great work dude.
As for the thread, I don't really know..I'd say The Stooges.
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Hey! you're the guy that's writing that 'Career Opportunities' story yeah? great work dude.
As for the thread, I don't really know..I'd say The Stooges.


thanks for noticing dude. i just got bored one day, and after reading all of nolan whyte's stuff i thought "what the hell". but yeah, i'd say them
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I'll just throw the New York Dolls into the mix here.
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My Chemical Romance.

Let's face it, there's a lot of new 'punk' bands that were influenced by them.
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No, that's not really true at all. The only self-proclaimed punk bands I know of that have been significantly influenced by MCR are the little "bands" that never actually played together or wrote songs. You know, just some 7th grade pals who said they played instruments and decided to make a Myspace music page.
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No, that's not really true at all. The only self-proclaimed punk bands I know of that have been significantly influenced by MCR are the little "bands" that never actually played together or wrote songs. You know, just some 7th grade pals who said they played instruments and decided to make a Myspace music page.



i don't like your tone "pal".

you're treating me like a poser. i'm not. infact, you're ****ing cyberstalking me.

get a life. don't pick on kids.
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#13
It's spelled "poseur".
Werty's not stalking you, he's just hanging out on the forums like he always does. Don't be afraid of him; his bark is worse than his bite. But if you don't want to be barked at, don't walk past his yard. You dig, maaaan?

Anywho, Arthur Rimbaud, Chuck Berry, those jazz artists I don't know nothin' about, Jack Kerouac, William S. Burroughs, Bob Dylan, The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, Patti Smith, New York Dolls, Talking Heads, Television, Devo, Joy Division, Wire, Minutemen, etc. etc. you catch my drift.
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Before I say anything, the wassel is a whiny little bitch.

Moving on.

So basically nothing is worse for punk than this useless circle-jerking over the influences of punk. Punk itself is simply stripped down rock. To say that a particular band or person was more instrumental in getting people to play simpler rock is silly and pretentious. Punk wasn't so much a musical movement in the fact that it was a change of musical style, rather it was a re-emphasis of song-writing over technical skill and style.

While it is hard to argue that bands like The Stooges and The Sex Pistols have no influence on future musicians it becomes more and more apparent as you look at it that they were more or less symptoms of a new attitude towards music, not the driving forces behind the change. The Ramones were rather important but at the same time you can only give so much credit to the band that played incredibly simple music. They weren't breaking ground, they were simply simplifying what was already there. When people noticed this simple music was still good punk was born. Influences are stupid and people need to get over this silly concept.

And werty is right, the people who claim MC5 are important generally do so because they are the oldest band that people generally agree on being very punk-like and doing so gets you credibility when you're at the certain age when punk is a pissing contest and enjoying punk is secondary to enjoying your new social status as "king punk."

Long story short people need to stop making threads for the sake of making threads. These threads are so dumb and it makes me mad that such a large portion of the younger punks find these conversations to be the height of punk discourse.
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#18
Quote by axeslash
Before I say anything, the wassel is a whiny little bitch.

Moving on.

So basically nothing is worse for punk than this useless circle-jerking over the influences of punk. Punk itself is simply stripped down rock. To say that a particular band or person was more instrumental in getting people to play simpler rock is silly and pretentious. Punk wasn't so much a musical movement in the fact that it was a change of musical style, rather it was a re-emphasis of song-writing over technical skill and style.

While it is hard to argue that bands like The Stooges and The Sex Pistols have no influence on future musicians it becomes more and more apparent as you look at it that they were more or less symptoms of a new attitude towards music, not the driving forces behind the change. The Ramones were rather important but at the same time you can only give so much credit to the band that played incredibly simple music. They weren't breaking ground, they were simply simplifying what was already there. When people noticed this simple music was still good punk was born. Influences are stupid and people need to get over this silly concept.

And werty is right, the people who claim MC5 are important generally do so because they are the oldest band that people generally agree on being very punk-like and doing so gets you credibility when you're at the certain age when punk is a pissing contest and enjoying punk is secondary to enjoying your new social status as "king punk."

Long story short people need to stop making threads for the sake of making threads. These threads are so dumb and it makes me mad that such a large portion of the younger punks find these conversations to be the height of punk discourse.


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i don't like your tone "pal".

you're treating me like a poser. i'm not. infact, you're ****ing cyberstalking me.

get a life. don't pick on kids.


This is a forum dude, it's meant for people to discuss issues. Werty didn't even say anything rude to you, he just offered his input to the conversation at hand. I second the comment that you're a whiny bitch.
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No, that's not really true at all. The only self-proclaimed punk bands I know of that have been significantly influenced by MCR are the little "bands" that never actually played together or wrote songs. You know, just some 7th grade pals who said they played instruments and decided to make a Myspace music page.


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i don't like your tone "pal".

you're treating me like a poser. i'm not. infact, you're ****ing cyberstalking me.

get a life. don't pick on kids.

I wasn't picking on you and I didn't have a negative tone. Not just then, anyway. I'm just saying I don't know of many MCR-influenced bands that consider themselves punk bands.

Here's why I have picked on you since you started posting here:

1) First and foremost, it's what I do. I think any regular can attest to that.
2) You have a Green Day avatar. Sorry, but most people with Green Day avatars are idiots. Same thing with Metallica avatars. I don't have a problem with Green Day, (in fact they were among my favorite bands for a long time) but that's just the way it is.
3) You often disregard capitalization and punctuation. That kind of makes you look dumb. However it's clear that you're fully capable of writing with correct grammar and you just choose not to. I guess that's OK, but it's not that hard to use the shift button every now and then. As petty as it may seem, doing so will make you look smarter.
4) You posted something about a "revival period" in the off-topic thread. That was kind of a silly notion, so I mocked you for it.
5) You didn't seem to understand that I was mocking you, so I continued.
6) I made fun of your age to piss you off. Success.
7) You fell right into BR0KEN and Rizzo's trolltraps, thus you still seemed like an easy target.
8) You name-checked a bunch of bands to prove how punk you are. That's pretty lame.
9) You're so defensive. I'm just a loser making fun of you on the internet. Don't let it get to you.
10) You made a bunch of "THE MODS CLOSED MY TERRIBLE THREADS THEM NAZIS" threads. That's the lowest form of spamming.
11) I only briefly skimmed your articles, but they come off as really lame. They're written OK (actually really well for someone your age) but the story is a cliche and it doesn't seem like the setting is anything that a middle-class suburban (I'm making assumptions) fourteen-year-old would know about. Just seems pretentious to me. But I'm no literary critic.

That list is longer than I expected when I started it.

There's a certain phase many (I dare say most) music enthusiasts go through during which they feel the need to prove how knowledgeable they are. Sometimes they bash genres they don't like. Sometimes they bash bands they feel lack artistic integrity. Sometimes they whine about poseurs. Sometimes they do what I mentioned in point number 8. Sometimes they read about some music-related phenomenon (proto-punk, for example) on Wikipedia and start an oversimplified discussion about it (hint). Eventually most of us realize how silly all that stuff is.

It may seem like I'm attacking you, but I'm not. I'm just playfully teasing you. Like a little kitten, soft and fluffy. Sometimes I wish I was a tiny person so I could ride on your back. You would screech and holler and say "meow get off my back" but I would be holding on to your triangular ears. Then I would get off of you and pour you some milk. My family would say "You're spoiling that cat! He gets more milk than any cat in town!" and I would say "He deserves it! I just surfed on his back for 45 minutes!" (That's point number 9.)

I got on the computer to work on a research paper and ended up doing this. I hope you're happy.
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#26
Quote by axeslash
Before I say anything, the wassel is a whiny little bitch.

Moving on.

So basically nothing is worse for punk than this useless circle-jerking over the influences of punk. Punk itself is simply stripped down rock. To say that a particular band or person was more instrumental in getting people to play simpler rock is silly and pretentious. Punk wasn't so much a musical movement in the fact that it was a change of musical style, rather it was a re-emphasis of song-writing over technical skill and style.

While it is hard to argue that bands like The Stooges and The Sex Pistols have no influence on future musicians it becomes more and more apparent as you look at it that they were more or less symptoms of a new attitude towards music, not the driving forces behind the change. The Ramones were rather important but at the same time you can only give so much credit to the band that played incredibly simple music. They weren't breaking ground, they were simply simplifying what was already there. When people noticed this simple music was still good punk was born. Influences are stupid and people need to get over this silly concept.

And werty is right, the people who claim MC5 are important generally do so because they are the oldest band that people generally agree on being very punk-like and doing so gets you credibility when you're at the certain age when punk is a pissing contest and enjoying punk is secondary to enjoying your new social status as "king punk."

Long story short people need to stop making threads for the sake of making threads. These threads are so dumb and it makes me mad that such a large portion of the younger punks find these conversations to be the height of punk discourse.


Arguing in either direction about anything concerning the history of punk or punk-ness is extremely gay.

... And I am extremely gay for saying that.
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I agree. I feel like a douche whenever I talk about punx history. Which is why I spell it p-u-n-x sometimes; so I'm simultaneously talking about it and making fun of it.
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I agree.


huh?

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This is a forum dude, it's meant for people to discuss issues. Werty didn't even say anything rude to you, he just offered his input to the conversation at hand. I second the comment that you're a whiny bitch.


yes, yes i am, infact.
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Quote by werty22
I wasn't picking on you and I didn't have a negative tone. Not just then, anyway. I'm just saying I don't know of many MCR-influenced bands that consider themselves punk bands.

Here's why I have picked on you since you started posting here:

1) First and foremost, it's what I do. I think any regular can attest to that.
2) You have a Green Day avatar. Sorry, but most people with Green Day avatars are idiots. Same thing with Metallica avatars. I don't have a problem with Green Day, (in fact they were among my favorite bands for a long time) but that's just the way it is.
3) You often disregard capitalization and punctuation. That kind of makes you look dumb. However it's clear that you're fully capable of writing with correct grammar and you just choose not to. I guess that's OK, but it's not that hard to use the shift button every now and then. As petty as it may seem, doing so will make you look smarter.
4) You posted something about a "revival period" in the off-topic thread. That was kind of a silly notion, so I mocked you for it.
5) You didn't seem to understand that I was mocking you, so I continued.
6) I made fun of your age to piss you off. Success.
7) You fell right into BR0KEN and Rizzo's trolltraps, thus you still seemed like an easy target.
8) You name-checked a bunch of bands to prove how punk you are. That's pretty lame.
9) You're so defensive. I'm just a loser making fun of you on the internet. Don't let it get to you.
10) You made a bunch of "THE MODS CLOSED MY TERRIBLE THREADS THEM NAZIS" threads. That's the lowest form of spamming.
11) I only briefly skimmed your articles, but they come off as really lame. They're written OK (actually really well for someone your age) but the story is a cliche and it doesn't seem like the setting is anything that a middle-class suburban (I'm making assumptions) fourteen-year-old would know about. Just seems pretentious to me. But I'm no literary critic.

That list is longer than I expected when I started it.

There's a certain phase many (I dare say most) music enthusiasts go through during which they feel the need to prove how knowledgeable they are. Sometimes they bash genres they don't like. Sometimes they bash bands they feel lack artistic integrity. Sometimes they whine about poseurs. Sometimes they do what I mentioned in point number 8. Sometimes they read about some music-related phenomenon (proto-punk, for example) on Wikipedia and start an oversimplified discussion about it (hint). Eventually most of us realize how silly all that stuff is.

It may seem like I'm attacking you, but I'm not. I'm just playfully teasing you. Like a little kitten, soft and fluffy. Sometimes I wish I was a tiny person so I could ride on your back. You would screech and holler and say "meow get off my back" but I would be holding on to your triangular ears. Then I would get off of you and pour you some milk. My family would say "You're spoiling that cat! He gets more milk than any cat in town!" and I would say "He deserves it! I just surfed on his back for 45 minutes!" (That's point number 9.)

I got on the computer to work on a research paper and ended up doing this. I hope you're happy.


I guess you're right with all those points. Except for number eight. And I was only have reading those posts. But, forum wars are pointless.
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#36
Me and Werty bump heads quite often but I'm backing him up here, he wasn't talking shit to you or cyberstalking. He was merely pointing out your errors/ stating his opinion (isn't that what a forum is?). He does it all the time, its what he does. Then you come along, and start talking and bitching cuz you don't agree with his opinion. In this forum that's a no no, you'll get eaten alive( as you may have figured that out).
Now back to the discussion I'm shocked The Who hasn't been mentioned yet.
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#37
Deffently missed the first post on this page....fail
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#38
Quote by askingforit176
Me and Werty bump heads quite often but I'm backing him up here, he wasn't talking shit to you or cyberstalking. He was merely pointing out your errors/ stating his opinion (isn't that what a forum is?). He does it all the time, its what he does. Then you come along, and start talking and bitching cuz you don't agree with his opinion. In this forum that's a no no, you'll get eaten alive( as you may have figured that out).
Now back to the discussion I'm shocked The Who hasn't been mentioned yet.

Really? The only time I know of when we've "bumped heads" was yesterday.
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#39
Welp there have been a few other times nothing ever anything major, most of the time, like I mentioned in my post, pointing out my own ignorance lol or my terrible spelling :p
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