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#121
Quote by ethan_hanus
It needs a shit ton more mids, it sounds very scooped.
My mids are on six?

I'll try adding more.

Quote by dudey5691
What patch are you using? Amp? Cab? Pedal? compressor? EQ?

I have POD Farm, too. You should be getting better tones than this.
I'm using the latest patch, with the JCM 800 and Soldano SlO. For both amps, I'm using the 1996 British V-30 Cabinet, and I'm using compressor, EQ, and reverb effects.

EDIT:

Added more mids:

"Number Nine:"

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/EVILERIFF4.mp3
Last edited by DIMEBAGLIVEDON at Apr 9, 2010,
#122
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PHx_86wMk

Did a demo of the DFX9 Digital Delay.
Feel free to critique my clean tone via the use of this video.
#124
Chris: As you already know...it sounds sick, really damn good! I was gonna ask about what you did for the drums so I know now But seriously man, awesome work! Now if only I had a band I could come record with you!

Dimebag: Number nine sounds loads better than number 8! I think it sounds quite cool, but if you're going for a modern metal tone I would change the patch setting...the 800 is not suited for modern metal really.

AcousticMirror: First of all, how did you track it, cause I think that is gonna be a cause for problems. Youtube compression tends to annihilate anything good quality, and are you using a digicam, cause if you are...they're really not suited to recording amps. Apart from that, it sounds kinda fizzy and loose, I would up the mids definately and maybe roll off some of the gain. Have you got a boost you can use on it? Oh, and what's that amp in the background with no chasis?

Ryan: That delay sounds pretty cool...got some interesting features on it! What you called the "overtone generator" sounds like it could be used in some really interesting clean bridges etc. It's got a real interesting range of sounds...that space stuff you did about 2:30 was pretty funny, nice work The infinate repeats thing was kinda crazy too....not sure when I would use it in a song, but it sounds cool

Oh, and Ryan and Acoustic Mirror...both your videos were really quiet...I normally have to cut youtube volume to less than half. These I had to actually turn my speakers up!
Guitars: PRS Custom 24, PRS EG3, PRS Santana SE, PRS Tremonti SE, ESP-LTD M-200FM

Acoustics: Maton EM225C, Washburn WD-42S, Ovation Tangent

Amps: Peavey 5150 Mk 1, Randall V2, Marshall JCM2000 DSL100

Cab: Framus FR212
#125
I'm tracking through my art m5 ribbon. I'm gonna make another one I had the master volume way to low last night but it's day time now. and it's on beyatches lulz
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#126
Quote by AcousticMirror
I'm tracking through my art m5 ribbon. I'm gonna make another one I had the master volume way to low last night but it's day time now. and it's on beyatches lulz


haha, excellent! Well my tone advice from earlier still stands

Make sure you have decent mic placement too and upload it to dropbox or somewhere similar...much higher quality

I'll look forward to it!
Guitars: PRS Custom 24, PRS EG3, PRS Santana SE, PRS Tremonti SE, ESP-LTD M-200FM

Acoustics: Maton EM225C, Washburn WD-42S, Ovation Tangent

Amps: Peavey 5150 Mk 1, Randall V2, Marshall JCM2000 DSL100

Cab: Framus FR212
#127
Been at it again, but this time I've been messing around with a super brutal riff, in E standard, I think its cool, but I'm testing out this thing called a Master Limiter compresser on the master mix, haven't quite figured out what exactly it does, but it seems to make everything louder without distortion the mix.

Anyway, its prolly a little bass heavy, so let me know how much I should cut, by estimate, or something.

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/ethan_hanus/music/all/play818389

#128
Quote by idiotbox919
haha, excellent! Well my tone advice from earlier still stands

Make sure you have decent mic placement too and upload it to dropbox or somewhere similar...much higher quality

I'll look forward to it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyAvbKcu1U

I don't know how to get my mic hot enough without it getting all gratey. That hiss in the background is all mic. Sigh. At least this recording is better then the last one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyAvbKcu1U
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#129
Commented on some of yer clips

Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
My mids are on six?

I'll try adding more.

I'm using the latest patch, with the JCM 800 and Soldano SlO. For both amps, I'm using the 1996 British V-30 Cabinet, and I'm using compressor, EQ, and reverb effects.

EDIT:

Added more mids:

"Number Nine:"

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/EVILERIFF4.mp3


Timing is off, I can hear a left/right difference in playing. Too middy too, high mids especially. Could use more gain as well. Not bad though, would sound pretty good with some drums and bass.

Quote by chrism3006
NEW THREADDDDDDDD!!!!

Wooopt

My latest effort http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/chrism3006/music/all/play817995

Good job on the thread mark!

EDIT: Better quality on dropbox:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1681257/Narcostising%20Disfunction%20Final%203.mp3


Hey you linked me this before

Guitars may be a bit overgained...but it suits the genre. Also thought the drums are pretty loud in places. Again suits the genre, but makes hearing the notes difficult here and there. Sweet vox and solo. Solo could jump out a bit more though I thought
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Last edited by Mark G at Apr 11, 2010,
#130
Quote by Mark G
Commented on some of yer clips


Timing is off, I can hear a left/right difference in playing. Too middy too, high mids especially. Could use more gain as well. Not bad though, would sound pretty good with some drums and bass.
Yeah, I used a clip when I first started getting into home recording, so it's sloppy.

Ok, I'll cut some high mids.
#133
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/number%2010withcuthighmids.mp3

Number 10. I forgot to add some more gain, but I cut around 4k which is high mids, correct?

Sounds better, but still seems distant.

I forgot to ask earlier... are you using the dualtone option on each track? I've always found that the "mix" of the two tones on one track was always cluttered... but I could be doing something wrong.
#134
Quote by dudey5691
Sounds better, but still seems distant.

I forgot to ask earlier... are you using the dualtone option on each track? I've always found that the "mix" of the two tones on one track was always cluttered... but I could be doing something wrong.
I'm really freaking confused.

Two guys says it's better, another one says it's still distant.

Yeah, I'm using the dualtone on each track.
#135
Yeah it does sound distant. I can tell the tone is good but it's not reaching it's potential. Maybe just go for an SM57 and mic up an amp.

What do you guys think of this track?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3602793/HarmBaron.mp3
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#137
What track? Also what interface are you using with that mic?
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#138
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
I'm really freaking confused.

Two guys says it's better, another one says it's still distant.

Yeah, I'm using the dualtone on each track.

It IS better than what you started with, but like Kyle said, it's still not reaching its potential.

Try one amp per track, and see how that sounds. Possibly quad track the whole thing?

Like I said, I think the Dualtone mix may be the problem; I have never gotten much use out of Dualtone in recording, only live applications are useful... even then I mostly use it as a two separate channels.

Kyle, sounds really good.

AcousticMirror, are those with the Rivera? Nice.
I liked 4 and 5, with a few bits of 6 and 7. Mixed together, I'm sure they would sound damn good.
#139
Quote by dudey5691
It IS better than what you started with, but like Kyle said, it's still not reaching its potential.

Try one amp per track, and see how that sounds. Possibly quad track the whole thing?

Like I said, I think the Dualtone mix may be the problem; I have never gotten much use out of Dualtone in recording, only live applications are useful... even then I mostly use it as a two separate channels.
Ok, I'll try the one amp track, and then try quad tracking it.

EDIT:

Done.

No dual tone, double tracked:


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/nodualtonedoubletracked.mp3

No dual tone, quad tracked:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/nodualtonequadtracked.mp3
Last edited by DIMEBAGLIVEDON at Apr 11, 2010,
#140
Eh, so that wasn't the issue. Hmmm...

Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON

I'm using the SLO Model and Marshall JCM 800, both boosted with the screamer. I'm using the noise gate, cavernous reverb, EQ, and compressor as well.

My cabinet's on both are the 4x12 1996 Brit Celestion V-30's, with a 50% room setting, and my mic setting is "On Axis Shure SM57".

How are you boosting them with the screamer? Are you making sure to lower the amp gain, when you raise the gain on the pedal?
The reverb may be the reason why it seems so distant, although not entirely sure.
How do you have the EQ set up?
#141
Quote by dudey5691
How are you boosting them with the screamer? Are you making sure to lower the amp gain, when you raise the gain on the pedal?
The reverb may be the reason why it seems so distant, although not entirely sure.
How do you have the EQ set up?
I put my amp's drive about two, and I boost it the rest of the way with the screamer.

I don't add much reverb, only 5%.

My EQ settings:

Drive: 2
Bass: 4
Mids: 7
Treble: 6
Presence: 5

The room settings in now on 0% and I'm using the Sennheiser 421 Microphone.

As for the EQ FX:

-1.7 on 100HZ
+1.1 on 500HZ
+1.0 on 2.1HZ
-2.6 on 5.5HZ (this could be it)

As for my EQ'ing in my actual DAW, I follow the guide in the first post. I also use CatharisStudios impulses loaded with keFIR, and the TSS Overdrive plugin.
Last edited by DIMEBAGLIVEDON at Apr 11, 2010,
#142
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
I put my amp's drive about two, and I boost it the rest of the way with the screamer.

I don't add much reverb, only 5%.

My EQ settings:

Drive: 2
Bass: 4
Mids: 7
Treble: 6
Presence: 5

The room settings in now on 0% and I'm using the Sennheiser 421 Microphone.

As for the EQ FX:

-1.7 on 100HZ
+1.1 on 500HZ
+1.0 on 2.1HZ
-2.6 on 5.5HZ (this could be it)

As for my EQ'ing in my actual DAW, I follow the guide in the first post. I also use Ryan's (CatharisStudios) impulses loaded with keFIR, and the TSS Overdrive plugin.


I'm gonna go ahead and say that the fact that your running two cab emulations is your main issue! Turn the cab off in podfarm if your using external impulses, like ryans. Otherwise it will make it sound horrible!
Gear:

Ibanez RGT220H
Schecter C1 Elite
Ibanez EWC30
Maxon OD-808
Framus Cobra
Peavey 5150 MK1 Block Letter
ENGL E530 Preamp
Mesa Boogie Standard Rectifier 4x12

Music:

http://www.myspace.com/morethanthisuk
#143
Quote by dudey5691
It IS better than what you started with, but like Kyle said, it's still not reaching its potential.

Try one amp per track, and see how that sounds. Possibly quad track the whole thing?

Like I said, I think the Dualtone mix may be the problem; I have never gotten much use out of Dualtone in recording, only live applications are useful... even then I mostly use it as a two separate channels.

Kyle, sounds really good.

AcousticMirror, are those with the Rivera? Nice.
I liked 4 and 5, with a few bits of 6 and 7. Mixed together, I'm sure they would sound damn good.



whoops those were just pickups through all my amps

here's the direct clean comparison

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/AcousticMirror/music/albums/819158

album mister clean
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#144
Quote by chrism3006
I'm gonna go ahead and say that the fact that your running two cab emulations is your main issue! Turn the cab off in podfarm if your using external impulses, like ryans. Otherwise it will make it sound horrible!

+1

AcousticMirror, they sounded pretty good. The Orange and VVT was meh for me. I liked parts of the Rivera, Fender and Flexi.
#145
Quote by chrism3006
I'm gonna go ahead and say that the fact that your running two cab emulations is your main issue! Turn the cab off in podfarm if your using external impulses, like ryans. Otherwise it will make it sound horrible!
I just tried it, using Ryan's impulses only, and it sounds terrible.

The sound cuts out a lot, and it sounds very fizzy and hissy.

EDIT: Just tried it with Pod Farm only, and it sounds bad too. The sound doesn't cut out, but it's very fizzy and harsh.

To be honest, it sounds the best when both are being run together.
Last edited by DIMEBAGLIVEDON at Apr 11, 2010,
#146
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
I just tried it, using Ryan's impulses only, and it sounds terrible.

The sound cuts out a lot, and it sounds very fizzy and hissy.


Post a clip like that, then I'll see whats happening, but IMO don't push the front end so hard with the screamer. I use it just to boost a little bit and more as a slight tone shaping tool. Also don't add the screamer after impluses, its not needed at all and will take away clarity.

EDIT: Just thought I'd show you guys what I'm working on at the moment, doing a mix for a band, they recorded all the dry tracks and im reamping/mixing. This version is literally for the lulz, its amplitube on guitars, the first setting that is opens on in the metal one

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1681257/Lolz%202.mp3

I gots me some editing to do
Gear:

Ibanez RGT220H
Schecter C1 Elite
Ibanez EWC30
Maxon OD-808
Framus Cobra
Peavey 5150 MK1 Block Letter
ENGL E530 Preamp
Mesa Boogie Standard Rectifier 4x12

Music:

http://www.myspace.com/morethanthisuk
Last edited by chrism3006 at Apr 11, 2010,
#147
Quote by chrism3006
Post a clip like that, then I'll see whats happening, but IMO don't push the front end so hard with the screamer. I use it just to boost a little bit and more as a slight tone shaping tool. Also don't add the screamer after impluses, its not needed at all and will take away clarity.
Ok. I'll do clips for both.

And I'm running TSS before the impulses.
#148
Can anyone tell me what can be improved with mine?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3602793/HarmBaron.mp3

Btw Chrism, the vocals are actually really good quality. Everything else needs to be turned up!
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Apr 11, 2010,
#150
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
It stopped skipping out! Thought I'm still not a fan of both clips:

Pod Farm Cabinet Emulation Only:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/podfarmemulationonly.mp3

Ryan's Impulses Only

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/catharisstudiosimpulsesonly.mp3


They both have a lot more clarity then using both! You have to bear in mind that LOT of guitar tone you hear is bass. Both those tones, in a mix, would probably be passable. To me they both lack mids and are overgained. Boost the mid's more and lower the gain/drive on the screamer. TBH the only amp I really use in podfarm is the calidiamond plate. Never really gotten amazing tones out of the other amps, but then I haven't tried too hard.
Gear:

Ibanez RGT220H
Schecter C1 Elite
Ibanez EWC30
Maxon OD-808
Framus Cobra
Peavey 5150 MK1 Block Letter
ENGL E530 Preamp
Mesa Boogie Standard Rectifier 4x12

Music:

http://www.myspace.com/morethanthisuk
#151
Quote by chrism3006
They both have a lot more clarity then using both! You have to bear in mind that LOT of guitar tone you hear is bass. Both those tones, in a mix, would probably be passable. To me they both lack mids and are overgained. Boost the mid's more and lower the gain/drive on the screamer. TBH the only amp I really use in podfarm is the calidiamond plate. Never really gotten amazing tones out of the other amps, but then I haven't tried too hard.
Ahh ok.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6010620/moremids%2Clessgain.mp3

More mids and less gain, like you suggested.

I also got the Metalshop pack. Perhaps I should use those models.
#152
You're probably going to smack me but now I think the mids are too high.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#153
Quote by kylendm
You're probably going to smack me but now I think the mids are too high.
Wow, how many tones tests have this been?

I think about 19.

*goes to adjust mids*
#154
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
Wow, how many tones tests have this been?

I think about 19.

*goes to adjust mids*


Its a long but rewarding journey
Gear:

Ibanez RGT220H
Schecter C1 Elite
Ibanez EWC30
Maxon OD-808
Framus Cobra
Peavey 5150 MK1 Block Letter
ENGL E530 Preamp
Mesa Boogie Standard Rectifier 4x12

Music:

http://www.myspace.com/morethanthisuk
#156
What kind of tone are you going for? o_O

That sounds like you want some sort of thrash tone, yet I keep remembering you said something about modern metal...?

********

Didn't have time to attempt using POD Farm and Ryan's impulses, so I just used the POD direct like usual.

The same "Darkest Nights" by AILD as usual (I know, I'm boring).

This is an attempt at mastering... how's it sound? Guitars fit well, sound good?
Suggestions?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3940668/The%20Darkest%20Nights%20-%20AILD%20%282%29%20%28MASTER%29.mp3
Last edited by dudey5691 at Apr 12, 2010,
#157
Quote by chrism3006
I'm gonna go ahead and say that the fact that your running two cab emulations is your main issue! Turn the cab off in podfarm if your using external impulses, like ryans. Otherwise it will make it sound horrible!


Oh dear
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#158
On friday ill have some tone tests up on various mics and mic positions and combination on a Express 5:50 combo
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#159
Quote by kylendm
Can anyone tell me what can be improved with mine?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3602793/HarmBaron.mp3

Btw Chrism, the vocals are actually really good quality. Everything else needs to be turned up!


Hey man, sorry for not getting to yours earlier, but I've been pretty busy the past couple of days and have hardly been at the PC. As for your clip...it sounds pretty awesome man, the main issue I have is with the rhythm guitars. They're pretty boomy at the moment. Before I can advise there's a couple of clarification points needed first:

1) Is there a bass on the track? Without it's gonna be tricky to get the low end of the guitars right
2) Are the guitars already hi/lo passed? If not, do that.

If the answers of both those questions is yes, then I would start EQing the guitars. Taking out some of the low end. If you're planning on re-recording, maybe have a play with that thrust knob again...problem is, a guitar tone that works well in a mix, often sounds pretty bad isolated.

But apart from that, it sounds damn good, nice work man!
Guitars: PRS Custom 24, PRS EG3, PRS Santana SE, PRS Tremonti SE, ESP-LTD M-200FM

Acoustics: Maton EM225C, Washburn WD-42S, Ovation Tangent

Amps: Peavey 5150 Mk 1, Randall V2, Marshall JCM2000 DSL100

Cab: Framus FR212
#160
Quote by dudey5691
What kind of tone are you going for? o_O

That sounds like you want some sort of thrash tone, yet I keep remembering you said something about modern metal...?

********

Didn't have time to attempt using POD Farm and Ryan's impulses, so I just used the POD direct like usual.

The same "Darkest Nights" by AILD as usual (I know, I'm boring).

This is an attempt at mastering... how's it sound? Guitars fit well, sound good?
Suggestions?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3940668/The%20Darkest%20Nights%20-%20AILD%20%282%29%20%28MASTER%29.mp3
I'm going for a thrash tone. I'm not a huge fan of modern metal.
Last edited by DIMEBAGLIVEDON at Apr 12, 2010,