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Vendetta V
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So lets discuss/analyze classical music. Favorite composers, orchestras, musical pieces. Instruments and anything about classical composing. What are your favorite ensembles (e.g. quartets, orchestras chamber orchestras trios.. )
Scales, instrument techniques and so on…

I my self love Bach most of all. His polyphony is just awesome!

I mostly write for quartets with additional instruments (strings and something else like Harpsichord) I totally love harpsichord or orchstras

I use two flutes, oboes and clarinets, a basson and a contrabasson for the woodwinds, two French horns and trumpets, one trombone and a tuba for brass.
And strings. This is my base orchestra staves. I then add additional instruments depending on the mood I want and the complexity I am after (didn’t include the percussion and keyboards as those are not heard in my every composition)

I am not that skilled tho… having the music in your midn is one thing writing it down is another and that's where all the rules come like Musical Grammar. Never took classes btw

Hope this thread turns into something useful for ppl who are new to orchestral writing

Any questions and answers are appreciated! I sometimes get questions too so this would be a good place to find out the desired answer

Cheers

PS sorry for my grammar

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I love Nightwish with passion. I love listening to the orchestral tracks by themselves. So wonderful I also like soundtracks from films that use an orchestra. Sounds epic!!!
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I'm playing Bach on Friday for my Grade 8 saxophone exam, beautiful music. These past two years we had to analyze in alot of detail Purcell's Dido, some nice pieces in it, though wouldn't say its my favorite opera.

Beethoven is my favorite when it comes to classical, and playing it on piano helps to appreciate it even more.

Oh, I also played a Haydn for my piano exam today. A typical Haydn/Mozart piece, nothing special, but enjoyable regardless.

I went to Vienna last Christmas with my music class. Incredible! Visited Mozart's house, watched a string quartet and ballet, absolutely top class musicians. The place was just heaven for anyone who has any sort of interest in classical music.
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Orchestra wise my favourite composers are John Williams, Debussy, and Liszt.

I also like Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Corelli, Scriabin, Prokofiev and Ravel.

I like writing for orchestras, small ensembles and solo piano.

Here's some of my favourite orchestral pieces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6fka74ZnpU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMz8fKkG2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPDrN-3U2ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_7loz-HWUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n78rcVoIr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5Stk8Kzuw
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This thread has been done countless times in various forms.

But anyway, my current fix is Scriabin. It's amazing how by listening to his sonatas in sequence you can hear the evolution of his writing style. Starting off with very strong Chopin influences and ending with something else entirely.
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Black Star is the only piece is really liked that Malmsteen did with orchestra, it's a shame he and the Japanese philharmonic didn't have much time to practise because it could have turned out much better.
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I think Rachmaninov is probably my favourite classical composer. I really enjoy everything he wrote, though of course some things more than others. I've tried playing some of the piano lines from his concertos on guitar, it's tricky to say the least!

I also really enjoy Chopin, but only the solo piano stuff. I've always felt that some of his passages can sound completely improvised when played well. I like Lizst too, but a little Lizst goes a long way.

Violins often sound very shrill to me, but I've recently starting listening to some more classical music centred around the violin.
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List of composers I listen to-
Beethoven
Bach
Chopin
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Beautiful music! centuries of music are very overwhealming tough, I don't know a tenth the pieces I'd like to know.
Like, the Blue Danube, listened to it like 50 times after watching 2001 A Space Odyssey lol
I do love Bach! I'm probably famliliar with ~5 of his hundreds and hundreds of pieces lol!

A question.. how should we define classical music? Music that has certain elements? Like short modulations and such.

As in very recent compositions, Jason Becker... all masterpieces. Air would be completely classical to my ears, containing harmonies, modulations, blabla, counterpoint, everything. And his pieces from Perspective... The End of the Beginning, Serrana... could those be considered classical? What about Higher, which is more of an acapella song?
Anyway, I consider his pieces to be of such level as Bach and Beethoven, as being the real true genious of our time.
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I like writing for orchestras, small ensembles and solo piano.
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oh and one of my favorite pieces is The Dance of the Kights by Prokofiev!

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Quote by griffRG7321
Orchestra wise my favourite composers are John Williams, Debussy, and Liszt.

I also like Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Corelli, Scriabin, Prokofiev and Ravel.

I like writing for orchestras, small ensembles and solo piano.

Here's some of my favourite orchestral pieces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6fka74ZnpU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMz8fKkG2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPDrN-3U2ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_7loz-HWUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n78rcVoIr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5Stk8Kzuw


I didnt know he wrote his own music
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I didnt know he wrote his own music


The composer not the guitarist..unless i'm missing the sarcasm here
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Quote by griffRG7321
The composer not the guitarist..unless i'm missing the sarcasm here


Im talkin about the composer too lol, as in Star Wars right?

Hes considered to be one of the most blatant plagiarizers in modern music. Quoting an orchestra conductor I sat under, "Show me a John Williams score and Ill show you who he plagiarized it from."

But yea, him and the guy that did the score for phantom of the opera (vomits) totally plagiarize all over.
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Quote by tubatom868686
Im talkin about the composer too lol, as in Star Wars right?

Hes considered to be one of the most blatant plagiarizers in modern music. Quoting an orchestra conductor I sat under, "Show me a John Williams score and Ill show you who he plagiarized it from."

But yea, him and the guy that did the score for phantom of the opera (vomits) totally plagiarize all over.

Toccata and Fugue in D Minor and Mars, the Bringer of War FTW?
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Toccata and Fugue in D Minor and Mars, the Bringer of War FTW?


Haha, yes. Among many others
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You do realise half the time a composers writes music for a film the director has already put existing music to it and asks the composer to write "something that sounds like that"?

It happened with the stars wars theme and Holsts 'the planets' if im not mistaken.

Speilberg asked him to rerecord the planets for the movie and instead Williams said "why don't i write somethng that SOUNDS like the planets?".

Happens all the time.
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You do realise half the time a composers writes music for a film the director has already put existing music to it and asks the composer to write "something that sounds like that"?

It happened with the stars wars theme and Holsts 'the planets' if im not mistaken.

Speilberg asked him to rerecord the planets for the movie and instead Williams said "why don't i write somethng that SOUNDS like the planets?".

Happens all the time.


That still doesnt make the material any more original
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Couldn't give a monkey's if it was original or not as long as i get to listen to stuff like the jurassic park theme i'm happy.
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Couldn't give a monkey's if it was original or not :P as long as i get to listen to stuff like the jurassic park theme i'm happy.


The Jurassic Park theme is fantastic.

For that matter, The Lost World score is quite unique among Williams material. It's mostly tribal instruments.
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I agree with you Jason Becker sound really great and classical!
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If anyone is interested in studying scores I found this site on another forum.
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Gustav Holst's "The Planets" is actually my favourite orchestral arrangement. BD Like many others, I must agree that Mars and Jupiter are ultimate win, but for some reason I also fell in love with Uranus: The Magician. Funny, out of all the planets, the song I like the most happens to be the "Uranus" song. :P

Other compositions that I love include Brahm's "Academic Festival Overture, Beethoven's "Egmont", Tchaikovsky's Streicherserenade Fur Streichorchester (guy's got the best surname to pronounce aloud btw) and Mozart's "Turkish March" - which I'm actually learning on guitar as of late, I was surprised to see someone actually had a tab for it here!
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Any other Mahler fans in the house? Has to be my favorite. I just can't decide whether I like Mahler 5, 3, 1, 6, or 8 better.
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Any other Mahler fans in the house? Has to be my favorite. I just can't decide whether I like Mahler 5, 3, 1, 6, or 8 better.


1 2 and 5. Especially 5 dude. Most consider 1 and 5 to be the be all end all of mahler symphonies.

To the guy that referenced brahms, you havent heard brahms until youve heard his requiem and symphony 3.
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Any other Mahler fans in the house? Has to be my favorite. I just can't decide whether I like Mahler 5, 3, 1, 6, or 8 better.


Yeah 2 and 9 are the best. The last movement of 9 is my favourite symphonic movement. But I really like 1 and 8 as well.
Beethoven and Brahms symphonies are awesome: Beethoven 7 and Brahms 2 are amazing pieces, but tbh, all of them are really. Beethoven's Corialan Overture is also really great.

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1 2 and 5. Especially 5 dude. Most consider 1 and 5 to be the be all end all of mahler symphonies.


Most consider 8 and 9 to be the be all and end all. 1 is a magnificent symphony, but late Mahler is just so much better. And 5 I find a little over-rated... everyone raves about the adagietto, and yeah it's beautiful, but Mahler has so much more to say in his last symphonies.
And I find Brahm's Requiem a little dull after the first two movements
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woah nice discussion here guys

hmm do yo uguys really think Webber is a plagiarizer??

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Quote by griffRG7321
Orchestra wise my favourite composers are John Williams, Debussy, and Liszt

mm.. everyone loves john Williams so much.. but honestly. He's liek what a million years old now?

He is going to die soon and it is time we found some new living classical composers to replace him.

I sugest Hans Zimmer, Danny Elfman and Javier Navarette. Brilliant, imo.


EDIT: Javier Navarette is fantastic.. I suggest you all go listen to the soundtrack of Pan's Layrinth. It's like watching the whole movie again but with the emotion contrast setting on high :P
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Most consider 8 and 9 to be the be all and end all. 1 is a magnificent symphony, but late Mahler is just so much better. And 5 I find a little over-rated... everyone raves about the adagietto, and yeah it's beautiful, but Mahler has so much more to say in his last symphonies.
And I find Brahm's Requiem a little dull after the first two movements


Really? I barely ever hear anyone ever mention 8 or 9. Huh
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mm.. everyone loves john Williams so much.. but honestly. He's liek what a million years old now?

He is going to die soon and it is time we found some new living classical composers to replace him.

I sugest Hans Zimmer, Danny Elfman and Javier Navarette. Brilliant, imo.


EDIT: Javier Navarette is fantastic.. I suggest you all go listen to the soundtrack of Pan's Layrinth. It's like watching the whole movie again but with the emotion contrast setting on high :P
Pan's labyrinth has one of my favorite sound tracks ever. If you want to hear danny elfman at his best you have to listen to the grand finale from edward scissorhands.
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Quote by mdwallin
mm.. everyone loves john Williams so much.. but honestly. He's liek what a million years old now?

He is going to die soon and it is time we found some new living classical composers to replace him.

I sugest Hans Zimmer, Danny Elfman and Javier Navarette. Brilliant, imo.


EDIT: Javier Navarette is fantastic.. I suggest you all go listen to the soundtrack of Pan's Layrinth. It's like watching the whole movie again but with the emotion contrast setting on high :P


stephen schwartz?
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may be Webber then?? he's still alive :p

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Pan's labyrinth has one of my favorite sound tracks ever. If you want to hear danny elfman at his best you have to listen to the grand finale from edward scissorhands.

You are SO right. Jeez, that movie had some great music. You've inspired me to go rent it out again
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stephen schwartz?

Had to look him up, but OMG he did the soundtrack to Hunchback of Notre Dame! That was excellent
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Had to look him up, but OMG he did the soundtrack to Hunchback of Notre Dame! That was excellent


he really is a fantastic composer. he also wrote wicked (and godspell, of course, but i've yet to see that), the music of which was absolutely fantastic.

yeah, he did the soundtrack to quite a number of disney movies. i believe he and alan menken were responsible for colors of the wind.

i think back to the time when i was a child and realize that these are the memories i used to hum. i never would have guessed i'd be analyzing them a mere 10 years later.
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The genius of john Williams is his ability to perfectly match a piece of music to a scene. Even if he did do a bit of copying, I still respect him as a film music composer.

And we only have 12 notes to work with, melodies are going to get recycled.
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as long as we are on the topic of film scores I thought I would post some epic cues.

arrival to earth

like a dog chasing cars

Some of the most epic pieces I have heard. Also since there is some mention of john williams, welcome to jurassic park At around 4:30 if you aren't getting chills you must be dead
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I'll be starting conservatory this year and I'll play classical guitar. I think I will learn to love this type of music

To anyone that plays classical, what do you think is the most difficult as far as technique and theory goes?
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I'll be starting conservatory this year and I'll play classical guitar. I think I will learn to love this type of music

To anyone that plays classical, what do you think is the most difficult as far as technique and theory goes?

well, I have just started classical guitar and personally after playing jazz for years and years the most annoying thing is actually having to pay attention to what fingers I use (pima etc)

But, I'm sure I'll get over that soon :P


Anyone heard much of Peter McConell's work? He does heaps and heaps of game soundtracks. He did the Grim Fandango one! Amazing jazzy tunes :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVggc7SUhj4

great stuff. I suggest you guys check out the whole soundtrack