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#44
Quote by tubatom868686
Lol, I guess I didnt know when people meant classical music they meant movie/game scores.

well.. classical lead us to movie scores. then I was reminded of game scores. I personally am treating this as a Chat thread with a little more.. strictness?
#47
Quote by vigenharutyunya
i however meant a bit more professional talk about orchestral music writing! not the music discussion but rather theory and stuff...


As in orchestration techniques and stuff?
#48
Quote by vigenharutyunya
i however meant a bit more professional talk about orchestral music writing! not the music discussion but rather theory and stuff...

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Haha just kiddin'.

But if we're not limiting ourselves to JUST classical music (and do indeed count video game/movie scores) then I could go on for DAYS on my favorite Video Game scores.

It is going to be my profession after all :p
#49
Liszt anyone?

I especially like his symphonic poems.

Quote by DiminishedFifth


It is going to be my profession after all :p


This is my aim aswell, i did want to compose for film, but the chances of that happening are slim.
Last edited by griffRG7321 at May 27, 2010,
#50
Quote by griffRG7321
Liszt anyone?

I especially like his symphonic poems.


This is my aim aswell, i did want to compose for film, but the chances of that happening are slim.


I feel like liszt has 3 or 4 really outstanding works, and then the rest is mediocre. I find berlioz to be the superior french composer
#51
Quote by griffRG7321


This is my aim aswell, i did want to compose for film, but the chances of that happening are slim.

I wanna compose for films, too! That would be the dream...

There are more opportunities than you think, though. Short film festivals, advertising, tv... are all outlets you can put your ideas to

Quote by griffRG7321
As in orchestration techniques and stuff?

I've getting really really in to counterpoint lately. Bach's Art of Fugue is just miiind bloooowing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY_GMnQvj6E

EDIT: I know the sound is annoying, but I really love to watch the parts
Last edited by mdwallin at May 29, 2010,
#52
Quote by mdwallin


I've getting really really in to counterpoint lately. Bach's Art of Fugue is just miiind bloooowing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY_GMnQvj6E

EDIT: I know the sound is annoying, but I really love to watch the parts



That's a terrible version apart from the sound. I'm normally not a Bach fan but Glenn Gould absolutely destroys this piece in this video

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmxex_glenn-gould-art-of-fugue-bach_music
#54
Quote by tubatom868686
I feel like liszt has 3 or 4 really outstanding works, and then the rest is mediocre. I find berlioz to be the superior french composer


Lizst was not French. I know what you mean about Lizst, but some of his late piano works like "Funeraille" and "La Lugubre Gondola", and his orchestral music are really well crafted compositionally. His show pieces may not be the most poetic, but they don't detract from his great works, for me.
Berlioz is awesome, but I prefer French music from around the turn of the 20th century and afterwards. The orchestral music of Debussy and Ravel is some of the best in my opinion. And of course, there's Dukas who brought us "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", which is a fantastic piece. There's also Chausson, whose Poeme for violin and orchestra is really beautiful.
#55
Quote by mdwallin


I've getting really really in to counterpoint lately. Bach's Art of Fugue is just miiind bloooowing!


I think the Art of Fugue is the pinnacle of musical composition; Bach's counterpoint is so magnificent. I wish I had less to do on the double bass and could refocus on the species counterpoint I was doing before.

P.S. Also a composer in the making here, going to Uni for it next year.
#57
beethovens 9th symphony is like a musical orgasm.

I also like Bach, Mozarts Violin concertos, Brahm, and George Gershwin
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#58
Quote by vigenharutyunya
hey everybody you may be interested in the symphony im writing now.. the link is in my profile (last.fm)

so jsut go to the albums there and you'l lsee the symphony.. it's a demo of it so...


Couldn't find the link man.
#59
Quote by jazz_rock_feel
I think the Art of Fugue is the pinnacle of musical composition; Bach's counterpoint is so magnificent. I wish I had less to do on the double bass and could refocus on the species counterpoint I was doing before.

P.S. Also a composer in the making here, going to Uni for it next year.

Did you have to submit a folio? And if so, did you have the written scores and recordings or just scores or what?
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Couldn't find the link man.

couldn't find the link either
#60
Bach here. I'm trying to play his Toccata and Fugue in Dm on guitar.

I think many of his pieces appeal to me in a mathematical fashion. I especially like this video where the music is visualised: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o (yes, you probably all know it, but it never ceases to fascinate me).
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#62
Quote by vigenharutyunya
ok here it is www.last.fm/music/vendetta+v/

thanx for caring im now really feeling bad aand it's at least cheering me up

hey thats really cool.. well the first 30 secs :P

howd you record it?
#63
im actually supposed to be writing a 4 part piece in the style of bach haha. unfortunately no piano nearby
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#64
Quote by mdwallin
Did you have to submit a folio? And if so, did you have the written scores and recordings or just scores or what?


Yeah, I had to submit some scores (usually the number is between 3-6) and recordings weren't 100% necessary, but the University liked to have them so I just put in the MIDI from Finale which the guy said was fine. I submitted a couple of movements of a string trio, a solo bass piece and then the magnum opus of my incredibly strange fusion days; an 18 minute saga of drums and bass (note: not drum 'n bass ).

Are you thinking of going to University as a comp major?
#65
Yeah, I am

But another uni has taken over the uni I wanted to go to and the courses are being changed and arrrghh frustrating.

I think I will get into a good comp course, though. I've got some stuff that I had to write for school performances. :P I'm glad midi is ok, though I might get some better VSTs.
#67
hey thats really cool.. well the first 30 secs :P

howd you record it?
erm i think it's available to full preview! for free so check it out man

thanx anyways

oh and yeah i used garritan interactive!! ive got full finale 2010 and garritan instruments!!

im actually supposed to be writing a 4 part piece in the style of bach haha. unfortunately no piano nearby

hey man ican write for your... i do orders actually so if you are interested. may cost a bit however

Yeah, I am

But another uni has taken over the uni I wanted to go to and the courses are being changed and arrrghh frustrating.

I think I will get into a good comp course, though. I've got some stuff that I had to write for school performances. :P I'm glad midi is ok, though I might get some better VSTs.
like i said ive got some nice VSTi so if you want i can convert your midi into mp3 with a realyl hi quality!! may cost a bit (btu really really cheap )

anybody else whants to check out my classical score?? www.last.fm/music/vendetta+v/

oh and sorry takling about orders and wahtnot but that's the only way of earning for me currently!!
#69
Would I be able to share my orchestral compositions here? If so, the links are in my signature.

Thanks.
#70
Maybe in order to keep with the thread title we should talk about what techniques we are aiming to use or how we convey certain ideas or whatever.

Just to spark more discussion of actual classical music and the theory and concepts behind.
#71
Well okay, I don't know much about theory but I'll try to stay on track.

I don't listen to much classical music, I really enjoy Game soundtracks and movie soundtracks like the works of Howard Shore and Jeremy Soule, does anyone have any suggestions for similar composers?

When I write, I usually start with a harp or an English horn + Clarinet playing what should become the main theme of the song. (sorry I don't know too much about the terms)

Some time I might try to work with a trumpet or something.

I usually have a Violin I, Violin II, Viola, Cello, Pan Flute and sometimes I throw in an orchestral harp to add to ambiance or whatever. I like to write really reverb-y, slow stuff. I try to stay very melodic sounding. I haven't really gone through any other styles.

I took an online sample coarse of Berklee music school's Orchestration 101 I think it was called. I learned a bit there. One day I'll actually take a proper course.
#72
Rachmaninov > all IMO. I've been obsessing over the first of his Symphonic Dances for a while. And I just ripped off the first few notes of his prelude in C# Minor for the climax of one of my songs, you know someone's a bloody good composer if the intro of one of their pieces can be used as the climax of another.

And I write proggitty prog metal, but I'm trying to incorporate more classical concepts and theory into it.
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#73
ok so now about my writing i think!!

my ultimate orchestra staves go like this (i then add or remove some instruments. but this is my base orchestra)

2 flutes
2 oboes (or oboe+English horn)
2 clarinets in Bb
basson
contrabasson (well i guess it doesnt get into the base orchestra)

2 french horns (minimum)
2 trumpets
trombone
tuba

I, II violins
viola
cello
contrabass

pretty much that however in most of my writings i use Timpani! also Harpsichord is often used! i like the bach-like sound

in my last piece i have uploaded the demo of i used same instruments as i mentioned minus the contrabasson plus harpsichord for the first part plus added timpani, triangolo/cymbals, 2 harps for the second part and minus harpsichord!


I often find that i am harmonizing strings as first, third/fifth. (in octaves)
i also like to have french horns to hold chords while others play around. i often have both clarinets or both oboes playing same in unison

my composer friends (who are pretty much professionals and are around 50-60 years old) say ive got some unique style a mixture of baroque, modern and something else. i dont know...

oh and i usulaly liek to write the main theme on a non-transposable (sorry im translating from russian) instrument even if it is for one. so i write it down then only transpose it!

yeah i think everybody could/should share their compositions
#74
vigenharutyunya: Listening to your Sonata in C-dur right now... your use of the Harpsichord, strings and pizzicato is VERY reminiscent to Motoi Sakuraba's town theme's in games like Tales of Symphonia/the Abyss. Especially your Pizzicato work.

My usual scores consist of:

Violin I, II
Viola
Cello
Double Bass

Flute
Clarinet in Bb
Bassoon
And some other woodwind (Piccolo or another "mid range" woodwind usually)

Horn in F
Tuba
Trombone

Full SATB Choir

Harpsichord/Harp/Piano/Organ (or a combination of the four)

Electric Bass


My horn section is a little lacking because I don't really know how to use them effectively, but I'm trying to figure out a good horn section. Any ideas?

When I write I usually start with a melody or a rhythmic ostinato. I'll finish writing the melody and usually by that time I've got the basic outline of a progression in my head and what a finished product will/should sound close to... if not the entire song, the entire section I'm working on.

I like to move the melody around the different instruments (maybe I'll start in Organ and then go to the French Horn and then the Organ again but this time harmonized with the flute or something like that) and then maybe eventually bring it home to end it. Rhythmic Transposition is my favorite thing to do with melodies though. In one of my songs I have the melody in alternating 5/8 and 6/8 but right before the song ends I make it fit into 3 measures of 4/4 and a measure of 3/8. Changing the underlying progression also finds its way into my songs as well.

If I repeat a part I usually change the instrumentation. Maybe the first go round I'll have the strings doing a Pizzicato part and then after the first time playing it they'll play it normally (what's the word for when they're played with the bow? I can't remember). Small things make all the difference when parts are repeated!
Last edited by DiminishedFifth at Jun 1, 2010,
#75
hmm sorry i cant really read your whole post (im in hurry) so i'll do it later

thanx for listening.. however that is kinda old score may be you'd levo my new symphony (which is in progress of writing) however check out my last.fm link in my sig and find it there. i think you'll like it
#76
DiminishedFifth that electric bass seems a little out of place to the rest of the instruments, although i haven't heard anything you've wrote with it yet so i cant really comment.
#77
Quote by griffRG7321
DiminishedFifth that electric bass seems a little out of place to the rest of the instruments, although i haven't heard anything you've wrote with it yet so i cant really comment.

Haha I use it when I want something with a little more drive. If you've heard "Confusion Amongst Themselves" - and I'm pretty sure you have - then you've heard me write something that has it in it ;] If you haven't heard it, think along the lines of Motoi Sakuraba's (he's a bigggg influence of mine haha) writing. He likes to use that electric bass and that's pretty much where I got it from xD


Quote by vigenharutyunya
hmm sorry i cant really read your whole post (im in hurry) so i'll do it later

thanx for listening.. however that is kinda old score may be you'd levo my new symphony (which is in progress of writing) however check out my last.fm link in my sig and find it there. i think you'll like it


I'll check it out later :]
#79
@symba05
I find the most difficult thing to play on guitar is tremelo. Otherwise most of my energy goes into produces a loud and full sound. The theory I've done so far isn't too hard but aural dictation is pretty intense.
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