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#1
hi there!

im looking to get a head with a good clean sound that i can use my effects and distortion on.

I need a head with a really good clean channel that takes pedals well. any ideas?
#3
a fender...not sure what heads they have but nothings better for cleans and pedal accepting (tube obviously)
#5
Hold on ts, I've got some flaming to do before I can answer.

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fender has the best cleans, i like ac-30 either

That is debatable. And purely subjective, anyway.
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a fender...not sure what heads they have but nothings better for cleans and pedal accepting (tube obviously)

I you don't know, don't hand out advice.
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Okay, so...

you've got a cab already, I assume? Which one? Also, what's the rest of your rig and how much are you willing to spend? What sounds are you going for?

AC30 heads can be found for good prices used, but they're rare. Heads aimed specifically at clean tones are few and far between, usually if you want a one channel clean amp you'll have to look at combos.
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That is debatable. And purely subjective, anyway.

I you don't know, don't hand out advice.

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Okay, so...

you've got a cab already, I assume? Which one? Also, what's the rest of your rig and how much are you willing to spend? What sounds are you going for?

AC30 heads can be found for good prices used, but they're rare. Heads aimed specifically at clean tones are few and far between, usually if you want a one channel clean amp you'll have to look at combos.



i have an ibanez ART 120. im using a line 6 uber metal for my distortion and i have a marshall mg100dfx combo at the minute which i will be selling to put money towards my head / cab.

My band has started gigging bigger places and we are signing up with casket soon so i need a bigger amp etc.
#7
Thank you! I still need to know what music you play and how much cash you have. i can take guesses from what you've posted, but I'd rather ask.
#8
Quote by IIChristian89II
i have an ibanez ART 120. im using a line 6 uber metal for my distortion and i have a marshall mg100dfx combo at the minute which i will be selling to put money towards my head / cab.

My band has started gigging bigger places and we are signing up with casket soon so i need a bigger amp etc.

so what is our budget for the head/cab?
what is the nearest major city? used markets vary worldwide.
i take it these places you will be gigging don't mic amps???
#9
Quote by TheQuailman
Thank you! I still need to know what music you play and how much cash you have. i can take guesses from what you've posted, but I'd rather ask.



ok cool haha im aiming for a breaking benjamin / alter bridge kinda sound. I havbetween £100-£350 for the head but obviously id like to try and keep it on the cheaper end as i am jobless at the minute
#10
Quote by gregs1020
so what is our budget for the head/cab?
what is the nearest major city? used markets vary worldwide.
i take it these places you will be gigging don't mic amps???



nearest major city would be birmingham.
and as for the micing of amps id imagine they would but i want bigger stuff!
#11
Silverface (70s) Fenders are great for this type of stuff. They're dirt cheap (in most cases) crazy loud, and crazy clean. In a head form I'd be looking for any of the Bassman or Bandmaster variations. If you are willing to look at combos that opens up a lot more choices.

Most silverface Fenders can be found around $300, except the Twin and Super Reverbs which for some reason are the only silverfaces that have held their value almost as well as the blackfaces.
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#12
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EDIT: nevermind...didn't see the budget.
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#13
With that amount of money I'd stay away from a cab+head combination. You will have a hard time finding anything decent for such a low price.

Since you are in the UK, look for a used Marshall JCM900 or JCM2000 DSL401 combo. Neither will be spot on for your sound, but they will get you in the ballpark. Both can be found between 300 and 350 used in the UK. A used Laney LC30 is also worth a look, though I prefer the Marshalls.

If it has to be new, a used Line6 Flextone III should do the trick.

All of these are combos. How much cash did you plan on spending on a cab? The 350 + cab money could possibly get you an even better amp than the three mentioned above.


Don't buy a cheap half stack. It'll sound sub-par and won't be needed for gigging.


EDIT: The amps I mentioned won't need a pedal to get you good distortion sounds. Each of them sounds far better on it's own than the Uber Metal.
Last edited by TheQuailman at May 17, 2010,
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Quote by TheQuailman
With that amount of money I'd stay away from a cab+head combination. You will have a hard time finding anything decent for such a low price.

Since you are in the UK, look for a used Marshall JCM900 or JCM2000 DSL401 combo. Neither will be spot on for your sound, but they will get you in the ballpark. Both can be found between 300 and 350 used in the UK. A used Laney LC30 is also worth a look, though I prefer the Marshalls.

If it has to be new, a used Line6 Flextone III should do the trick.

All of these are combos. How much cash did you plan on spending on a cab? The 350 + cab money could possibly get you an even better amp than the three mentioned above.


Don't buy a cheap half stack. It'll sound sub-par and won't be needed for gigging.



yeah i probably should have made it clearer lol i wanna spend 350 max on a head and then probably about the same on a cab tbh.
#15
For a decent cab then you can get a Harley Benton from Thomann loaded with V30s for about £160 at the moment. I played on a friend's one the other night and for the money it is brilliant. It's only a 2x12, but do you really need a 4x12?
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#16
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yeah i probably should have made it clearer lol i wanna spend 350 max on a head and then probably about the same on a cab tbh.

if you spend 700 on a good combo you come out of this with a much better amp.

so is the "stack" really needed, or would you rather put your money into one thing, that's superior?
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#18
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For a decent cab then you can get a Harley Benton from Thomann loaded with V30s for about £160 at the moment. I played on a friend's one the other night and for the money it is brilliant. It's only a 2x12, but do you really need a 4x12?



dont think a 4X12 would be necessary right now. id be happy with a 2X12 speaker
#19
listen to us please. you came here for advice on how to get the most for your money.
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#20
Man, 700 quid will get you a used Engl Screamer combo easily. That thing will do the sounds you mentioned and then some. If it has to be new, an Engl Thunder is a less versatile, but still a very good alternative.

You might also want to look at an Orange Rocker 30. It's a very dark amp unlike the Engls which are very bright, but still suited for what you're doing. Getting a booster for it later on for more gain and tightness is also worth it.

Again, these are all combos. There are halfstacks you could get for 700, but they just don't compare with the combos at all. You could try to get a decent 2x12" cab (Framus makes good, affordable ones) and a used Screamer or Thunder head, but it'll be close (if at all possible) and won't sound much different from the combos.
#21
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Pardon me? The VK cleans sound off the balls man!

They sound like balls to me.

Nothing wrong with the VK if you take it as what it is, but the TS can do a lot better.
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listen to us please. you came here for advice on how to get the most for your money.



who said i wasnt listening?? im taking it all in and thinking about getting a combo as i may very well come off better
#23
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Man, 700 quid will get you a used Engl Screamer combo easily. That thing will do the sounds you mentioned and then some. If it has to be new, an Engl Thunder is a less versatile, but still a very good alternative.

You might also want to look at an Orange Rocker 30. It's a very dark amp unlike the Engls which are very bright, but still suited for what you're doing. Getting a booster for it later on for more gain and tightness is also worth it.

Again, these are all combos. There are halfstacks you could get for 700, but they just don't compare with the combos at all. You could try to get a decent 2x12" cab (Framus makes good, affordable ones) and a used Screamer or Thunder head, but it'll be close (if at all possible) and won't sound much different from the combos.



thanks man il definately look at the combo side of things. Like the one you have mentioned thanks alot !!
#24
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Silverface (70s) Fenders are great for this type of stuff. They're dirt cheap (in most cases) crazy loud, and crazy clean. In a head form I'd be looking for any of the Bassman or Bandmaster variations. If you are willing to look at combos that opens up a lot more choices.

Most silverface Fenders can be found around $300, except the Twin and Super Reverbs which for some reason are the only silverfaces that have held their value almost as well as the blackfaces.


Hmm...

Sovtek Mig 50 maybe?

What is availability like in the UK?
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who said i wasnt listening?? im taking it all in and thinking about getting a combo as i may very well come off better

thank you.

your insistence on a "stack" made it appear you weren't.

now let me clear up one thing before the half stack fans lynch me.
there are good reasons to want a half stack.
being louder usually isn't one of them.
tone is. a closed back cab has a tone that an open back combo doesn't.
but by eq'ing your amp you can almost always hit a spot that's almost the
exact same. i've done this countless times, it's not perfect but close enough
for the drunks spilling beer on each other.
i use a closed back 1x12 cab, which isn't the same tone as a closed back 4x12, but it's what rocks my world, ymmv.

that said, listen to quail and the others recommending a good combo amp. at this point you are better serving yourself by getting a quality combo amp than splitting your budget between a good cab and good head.
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#26
^^Mig will be hard to find, but a Laney AOR is pretty similar and easy to find.


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Stacks make sense, but only if you can/want to spend the cash for a good one.
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#27
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^^Mig will be hard to find, but a Laney AOR is pretty similar and easy to find.

cleans?

albeit the gain > uber metal.
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you want it for a metal band?
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#31
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Silverface (70s) Fenders are great for this type of stuff. They're dirt cheap (in most cases) crazy loud, and crazy clean. In a head form I'd be looking for any of the Bassman or Bandmaster variations. If you are willing to look at combos that opens up a lot more choices.

Most silverface Fenders can be found around $300, except the Twin and Super Reverbs which for some reason are the only silverfaces that have held their value almost as well as the blackfaces.
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#32
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Hmm...

Sovtek Mig 50 maybe?

What is availability like in the UK?

If you're saying Bassmans aren't loud or clean you didn't read the 'silverface' part of my post. Silverfaces have little to nothing to do with the blackface or other Bassmans, tone-wise.

As for the Mig, why would you recommend a JCM-800 clone for cleans?

^Ya well, that's usually the price for something that's been sitting in a basement untouched for 20 years... Which means you end up paying for a tech as soon as you buy it. Still some good deals though. I got my Bassman 100 for $200, proceded to immediately blow it up, then spent $400 on servicing that it needed anyway. Is it worth $600 now... To me; yes, market-wise; not really.
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Quote by tubetime86
If you're saying Bassmans aren't loud or clean you didn't read the 'silverface' part of my post. Silverfaces have little to nothing to do with the blackface or other Bassmans, tone-wise.

As for the Mig, why would you recommend a JCM-800 clone for cleans?


The Mig 50 is loud and doesn't break up easily either...

And as for the JCM-800 clone, my understanding of the Mig 50 is more a Fender Bassman or Marshall JTM45 clone than a JCM-800.

All I know is, I really like the amp.
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#37
Quote by IIChristian89II
yeah i probably should have made it clearer lol i wanna spend 350 max on a head and then probably about the same on a cab tbh.



For this budget you'll want to utilize craigslist.

I got a Marshal AVT 2000 50h for the budget you have. And you can pick up great deals on cabs on craiglist. I would reccommend just a Crate 4x12 since they are whats easiest to find.

Craiglist got my rig, the marshall AVT 50watt head and an 80's randall cabinet replaced with a red grille cloth. Couldn't have found a better deal for under 500 (collectively for both)

It seems that it's not the sparkling clean your looking for, but rather a blank slate to stack your effects. Am I right?

If this is the case, go with my advice.
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For this budget you'll want to utilize craigslist.

not the best option in the UK, but your idea of looking used is.
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The Mig 50 is loud and doesn't break up easily either...

And as for the JCM-800 clone, my understanding of the Mig 50 is more a Fender Bassman or Marshall JTM45 clone than a JCM-800.

All I know is, I really like the amp.

Oh wow, I'd always heard it was a pretty straight-up 800 clone. I think I misinterpreted your post anyway, my bad.

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