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there is proof that jesus existed.
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#1
so recently an atheist buddy of mine told me that their is no scientific or historical proof that jesus existed. im not talking whether or not he was god's son but flat out existing. so since the pit seems to be filled with atheist types i wanted to see if they at least believed jesus was at least alive.
#5
I am not a Christian, and I am reasonably sure that there's proof that he existed.

As evidence by, I don't know, our yearly calendar.
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#6
I saw a video once where some guy was scientifically explaining all those holy bleeding statues and how he proved it was real human blood oozing from the statues and stuff. It was quite interesting.
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#7
athiest types? no, just smart people who believe in Guitar Gods.

besides who cares if he existed or not your faith shouldn't be shaken by others, keep on your way and they'll keep on theirs. only when theres some kind of competition to see whose right is when everyone becomes wrong.

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How about the fact that there is more historical documentation of Him than any other single human being in history? not just in the bible but in several historical accounts. people can argue that he was not the son of God, but to say he never existed is for lack of a better term, idiotic.

your friend is ignorant TS. he needs to not make stupid claims to make himself sound hip for being on the atheist bandwagon.
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#9
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I do not personally believe in God or Jesus. I really have no religion. I am not atheist. I am not Christian, Jewish, anything.

It was nice of you to randomly point that out when no one asked your religion.
#10
Can you add an option to the poll "there is no proof jesus didn't exist" it suits my views better.
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How about the fact that there is more historical documentation of Him than any other single human being in history? not just in the bible but in several historical accounts. people can argue that he was not the son of God, but to say he never existed is for lack of a better term, idiotic.

your friend is ignorant TS. he needs to not make stupid claims to make himself sound hip for being on the atheist bandwagon.



Sources pl0x. I am aware of only one reliable one and that's Tacitus'.
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How about the fact that there is more historical documentation of Him than any other single human being in history? not just in the bible but in several historical accounts. people can argue that he was not the son of God, but to say he never existed is for lack of a better term, idiotic.

your friend is ignorant TS. he needs to not make stupid claims to make himself sound hip for being on the atheist bandwagon.


Four Israelites who wrote about this man whom they looked up to hardly accounts as the most documented human being in history.
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#16
Pretty sure the dude actually existed, I just don't think he was any more extraordinary than any other man.
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Four Israelites who wrote about this man whom they looked up to hardly accounts as the most documented human being in history.


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Sources pl0x. I am aware of only one reliable one and that's Tacitus'.


dont know any off the top of my head, but ive heard that before, in confirmation classes at my church, and even in college history classes, (taught by a muslim professor)

I mean i dont know, can you think of anyone that is more historically famous than Jesus? i cant. (inb4 beatles joke!)
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dont know any off the top of my head, but ive heard that before, in confirmation classes at my church, and even in college history classes, (taught by a muslim professor)

I mean i dont know, can you think of anyone that is more historically famous than Jesus? i cant. (inb4 beatles joke!)


Yes, I can. Just not in our culture.

Jesus will be pretty low on the list in Asia or India.
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dont know any off the top of my head, but ive heard that before, in confirmation classes at my church,


Biased.


and even in college history classes, (taught by a muslim professor)


Still biased. Jesus is a prophet in Islam

I mean i dont know, can you think of anyone that is more historically famous than Jesus? i cant. (inb4 beatles joke!)



King Arthur is pretty famous too, but that isn't any evidence that he ever really lived.
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I mean i dont know, can you think of anyone that is more historically famous than Jesus? i cant. (inb4 beatles joke!)

Everyone's heard of Santa Claus, so he must have existed.

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#23
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Pretty sure the dude actually existed, I just don't think he was any more extraordinary than any other man.

This, if you replace "pretty sure" with "consider it a possibility that". I've heard there's a handful of reliable sources, and I've heard elsewhere that there isn't, and I really don't care enough to check.

Still, it'd be nice to know exactly what the fucker did to make people so obsessed with him. I like the idea that he was just a normal guy who was quite nice, and he just gradually became this incredibly famous, mythical figure by accident through exaggerated or misenterpreted stories.
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This, if you replace "pretty sure" with "consider it a possibility that". I've heard there's a handful of reliable sources, and I've heard elsewhere that there isn't, and I really don't care enough to check.

Still, it'd be nice to know exactly what the fucker did to make people so obsessed with him.


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King Arthur is pretty famous too, but that isn't any evidence that he ever really lived.



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Yes, I can. Just not in our culture.

Jesus will be pretty low on the list in Asia or India.

Well, it has been speculated that during the lost portion of the life of Jesus (between the time of his birth and the time of his prophethood), he spent a lot of time travelling eastward to India and Nepal or something to study under monks.

Bunch of info on this site: http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90&Itemid=61

If it's true at all, then I suppose there could be some respect for Jesus in those areas.
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This, if you replace "pretty sure" with "consider it a possibility that". I've heard there's a handful of reliable sources, and I've heard elsewhere that there isn't, and I really don't care enough to check.

Still, it'd be nice to know exactly what the fucker did to make people so obsessed with him.

He put others before himself, he hugged prisoners, he forgave murderers, you could punch the dude in the nuts and he would go "Nah man, it's cool", many people wouldn't do that. They wouldn't die in place of someone that deserved it. Would you take the death sentence in place of a child rapist?


Exactly.
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Still waiting for any 'historical evidence'.
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#33
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Well, it has been speculated that during the lost portion of the life of Jesus (between the time of his birth and the time of his prophethood), he spent a lot of time travelling eastward to India and Nepal or something to study under monks.

Bunch of info on this site: http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90&Itemid=61

If it's true at all, then I suppose there could be some respect for Jesus in those areas.


My point was that there are separate religious entities that are much more "historically" prevalent than Jesus in other parts of the world.

It's quite convenient that Jesus just disappeared for 35 years.

My own personal believe is that Jesus existed, and he had an experience with some sort of mushroom. Maybe the Amanita Muscaria, maybe a Psilocybe mushroom. It would explain everything.

I've read one theory that explained Moses and the Burning Bush; the particular area in which this event happened is inhabited by some species of plants that contains DMT.
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#34
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I do not personally believe in God or Jesus. I really have no religion. I am not atheist. I am not Christian, Jewish, anything.


oh......WUT?!

You do not believe in a god and aren't an atheist? Doesn't the lack of a belief in a god define atheism?
#35
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My point was that there are separate religious entities that are much more "historically" prevalent than Jesus in other parts of the world.

It's quite convenient that Jesus just disappeared for 35 years.

My own personal believe is that Jesus existed, and he had an experience with some sort of mushroom. Maybe the Amanita Muscaria, maybe a Psilocybe mushroom. It would explain everything.

I've read one theory that explained Moses and the Burning Bush; the particular area in which this event happened contains species of plants that contains DMT.

So... Jesus was stoned and that made other believe he was God incarnate?

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oh......WUT?!

You do not believe in a god and aren't an atheist? Doesn't the lack of a belief in a god define atheism?

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So yeah.
#37
There isn't any proof of his existence. If you believe otherwise, you've been lied to.

However, I think his existence as a normal human Messiah figure, much like many other (false) Messiah figures back then, is probable.
#39
The historical documents "proving" that Jesus existed have for a while now been considered fake.

Not one of the historians of the time mention Jesus anywhere in their records.

It's unlikely that figure existed, though not entirely impossible.

also many things attributed to Christ have existed in other mythos before Christianity gained any strength, including the "virgin birth" and the crucifixion. Perhaps it doesn't automatically disprove Jesus Christ's existence, but an interesting thing to note.

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#40
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He put others before himself, he hugged prisoners, he forgave murderers, you could punch the dude in the nuts and he would go "Nah man, it's cool", many people wouldn't do that. They wouldn't die in place of someone that deserved it. Would you take the death sentence in place of a child rapist?


Exactly.

No, I don't think our judicial system works like that.
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