Poll: Is Morality Subjective or Objective?
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#1
Today at lunch me and my friend were having a discussion (argument?) over whether anarchy could ever work. The conversation then turned into a discussion about morality, because for anarchy to work everyone would have to have a sense of morality and not be greedy and stuff...

But yeah the point is, my friend said that morality is completely subjective and varies from person to person. For example, while some people think murder is wrong, other people see no problem with killing another person. My friend said that there is no universal moral code that must be followed

I disagree. I think that morality is objective and cannot differ from person to person. I argued that killing is morally wrong and that the fact that is wrong does not vary. I think that there are some things that are fundamentally immoral for everyone.

So what does the Pit think? Is morality subjective or objective? Oh and since me and my friend are both atheists, the existence of a higher power that imposes a universal moral code is null and void.
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I believe it's subjective.

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#5
I think that some things (murder, theft, rape) are objectively wrong, but I think a lot of other things (premarital sex, drug use, homosexuality, abortion) are pretty subjective. I have yet to figure out how to reconcile those two though.
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#6
Unfortunately, I don't think there could ever be an objective basis for morality in principle.
Our subjective views of morality are mostly similar because of our biology and societal structures.

... But that's not to say I don't think we should act like there is.
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#7
I personaly think that killing another person is moraly correct in certain condition. It's totaly subjective, just as everything.
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I think that some things (murder, theft, rape) are objectively wrong, but I think a lot of other things (premarital sex, drug use, homosexuality, abortion) are pretty subjective. I have yet to figure out how to reconcile those two though.


If you can say "I think" then it's subjective!
#9
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I personaly think that killing another person is moraly correct in certain condition. It's totaly subjective, just as everything.

Well in certain conditions, pretty much everything can be morally correct (except for rape). But I'm talking about killing for no reason (sorry i should have said that) such as in the cases of spree and serial killers.
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#10
I've killed a lot of people.
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#11
It's entirely subjective, evolutionary and societal pressures are the reason why people tend to have similar morals on things such as rape and theft, however that doesn't make them objective.
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#12
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Today at lunch me and my friend were having a discussion (argument?) over whether anarchy could ever work. The conversation then turned into a discussion about morality, because for anarchy to work everyone would have to have a sense of morality and not be greedy and stuff...

But yeah the point is, my friend said that morality is completely subjective and varies from person to person. For example, while some people think murder is wrong, other people see no problem with killing another person. My friend said that there is no universal moral code that must be followed

I disagree. I think that morality is objective and cannot differ from person to person. I argued that killing is morally wrong and that the fact that is wrong does not vary. I think that there are some things that are fundamentally immoral for everyone.

So what does the Pit think? Is morality subjective or objective? Oh and since me and my friend are both atheists, the existence of a higher power that imposes a universal moral code is null and void.


I disagree with your views on it.

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#14
It doesn't have to be one or the other, you know.
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#15
One just has to follow the rule that you should treat others the way you would like to be treated.

Morality is objective! But it's true that people have different opinions about it because the world is still kind of screwed. But the situation has still improved over time (think of the middle ages for example). I'm living in the hope that one day we will all think the same way.
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#17
everything in the world is subjective. except for that. and that.
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#18
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Well in certain conditions, pretty much everything can be morally correct (except for rape). But I'm talking about killing for no reason (sorry i should have said that) such as in the cases of spree and serial killers.


I think it's right to kill just for fun and rape women!!! You see it's subjective for you! I don't do it, cuz I'll go in jail!
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I disagree with your views on it.

Does that prove you wrong already? Damn.

Not everything is objective. Just morality.
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I think it's right to kill just for fun and rape women!!! You see it's subjective for you! I don't do it, cuz I'll go in jail!

See but if you do that, either you realize you are doing something morally wrong, or you are crazy. At least thats what I think.
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#21
Well how do you test if killing someone is morally wrong. Does water boil at 212 degrees? Yes we can scientifically prove that, but theres no way to prove that killing someone if wrong or not. If someone tells you killing is wrong, but they cant offer any hard evidence, why should you believe them. You have to decide for yourself if killing is good or evil, but just because alot of people think killing is evil doesn't make it universally evil.
#22
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One just has to follow the rule that you should treat others the way you would like to be treated.

1Morality is objective! 2But it's true that people have different opinions about it because the world is still kind of screwed. But the situation has still improved over time (think of the middle ages for example). 3 I'm living in the hope that one day we will all think the same way.

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#23
Subjective, obviously. For example, a murderer may have been taught that killing is alright, and throughout his life, he believed it. Whereas somebody else could be taugh it's bad, and believe it's wrong. It all depends on how the person sees it. Most people today would think murder is wrong, but 2000 years ago, people thought differently. I think because we've started forming governments, and leaders in our society, and they've started laws, morals came about. But this was basically they're decision, and they decided what our morals are. So most people decide to follow them, but if they've been taught differently, they'd believe there was is the right way.
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#26
Lol I knew someone would not understand what I meant and point out a contradiction, but...

If everyone treated others the way they would want to be treated the situation would improve a lot (even to perfection). That's the core of it.
#27
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See but if you do that, either you realize you are doing something morally wrong, or you are crazy. At least thats what I think.


I think it's right but society won't let me do it!
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Lol I knew someone would not understand what I meant and point out a contradiction, but...

If everyone treated others the way they would want to be treated the situation would improve a lot (even to perfection). That's the core of it.

But that doesn't have a thing to do with morality being objective or not.
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Subjective, obviously. For example, a murderer may have been taught that killing is alright, and throughout his life, he believed it. Whereas somebody else could be taugh it's bad, and believe it's wrong. It all depends on how the person sees it. Most people today would think murder is wrong, but 2000 years ago, people thought differently. I think because we've started forming governments, and leaders in our society, and they've started laws, morals came about. But this was basically they're decision, and they decided what our morals are. So most people decide to follow them, but if they've been taught differently, they'd believe there was is the right way.

Hmm...That's well put. Its wrong of course, since you disagree with me, but its interesting.
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Lol I knew someone would not understand what I meant and point out a contradiction, but...

If everyone treated others the way they would want to be treated the situation would improve a lot (even to perfection). That's the core of it.



That's the only morally object statement I can think of (The Golden Rule) and even then, it's only a suggestion, not a mandate.

Other than that, morals are totally subjective.
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Lol I knew someone would not understand what I meant and point out a contradiction, but...

If everyone treated others the way they would want to be treated the situation would improve a lot (even to perfection). That's the core of it.

That's my wish. Tolerance. Not moral or ideological compliance to a set. Simply tolerance. My moral standard is quite different than yours I'm sure. Doesn't make you wrong. Doesn't make me right. It simply makes us different. When you attempt to force your moral compass upon me you have no tolerance. At that point I have no compunction to tolerate you.
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#33
Aaah the topic of Objective/Subjective morality, I know it well. As you've already stated that you're leaning towards objective morality, I'll make this quick.

Since the existence of objective morality would only be possible with a god, we can conclude that: THERE CANNOT BE OBJECTIVE MORALITY WITHOUT A HIGHER POWER. But why is that? Do we really need a god for everyone to have a set of ethical laws that everyone has to abide by? I hate repeating myself but, yeah.

If there is objective morality (Ethical laws that apply to everyone, irrespective of who you are or what the situation is) then you would have to have a moral lawgiver (ie. God). If there is no God then there is no one to enforce these laws and everything is subjective.

So in short: No God=No rules. You cannot rationally believe in objective morality and still continue to be an athiest.
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Aaah the topic of Objective/Subjective morality, I know it well. As you've already stated that you're leaning towards objective morality, I'll make this quick.

Since the existence of objective morality would only be possible with a god, we can conclude that: THERE CANNOT BE OBJECTIVE MORALITY WITHOUT A HIGHER POWER. But why is that? Do we really need a god for everyone to have a set of ethical laws that everyone has to abide by? I hate repeating myself but, yeah.

If there is objective morality (Ethical laws that apply to everyone, irrespective of who you are or what the situation is) then you would have to have a moral lawgiver (ie. God). If there is no God then there is no one to enforce these laws and everything is subjective.

So in short: No God=No rules. You cannot rationally believe in objective morality and still continue to be an athiest.

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Hmm...That's well put. Its wrong of course, since you disagree with me, but its interesting.

Do you think it's morally wrong to eat dogs?
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You're both wrong. Technically it's subjective, but there are a lot of things that all people have in common.

That doesn't make it objective, that just makes it the majority.
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#37
well we know that its subjective. most people didn't find slavery and the "possession" of women wrong in old ages, but now thats way different. its changed, meaning it can't be universal
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Aaah the topic of Objective/Subjective morality, I know it well. As you've already stated that you're leaning towards objective morality, I'll make this quick.

Since the existence of objective morality would only be possible with a god, we can conclude that: THERE CANNOT BE OBJECTIVE MORALITY WITHOUT A HIGHER POWER. But why is that? Do we really need a god for everyone to have a set of ethical laws that everyone has to abide by? I hate repeating myself but, yeah.

If there is objective morality (Ethical laws that apply to everyone, irrespective of who you are or what the situation is) then you would have to have a moral lawgiver (ie. God). If there is no God then there is no one to enforce these laws and everything is subjective.

So in short: No God=No rules. You cannot rationally believe in objective morality and still continue to be an athiest.

I don't think having a god has anything to do with morality, i just think there are some things that are right and some things that are wrong and i think this is universal but not governed by a belief in a higher power.
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Not everything is objective. Just morality.


Yes, even morality is subjective.
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#40
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Subjective, obviously. For example, a murderer may have been taught that killing is alright, and throughout his life, he believed it. Whereas somebody else could be taugh it's bad, and believe it's wrong. It all depends on how the person sees it. Most people today would think murder is wrong, but 2000 years ago, people thought differently. I think because we've started forming governments, and leaders in our society, and they've started laws, morals came about. But this was basically they're decision, and they decided what our morals are. So most people decide to follow them, but if they've been taught differently, they'd believe there was is the right way.

Every society/social group has it's form of government, no matter how primitive they may seem to us. Even a decent amount of animals know that it's wrong to kill amongst it's kin. Just because a lot of greedy idiots liked to kill each other hundreds -or thousands- of years ago makes it subjective? We've simply become more sensible then our predecessors morally, mostly due to how advanced communication has gotten I think(not because we're smarter or anything like that-we're pretty dumb). In conclusion, you can choose to kill and be immoral and maybe your OPINION is "Hey killing is totally kewl man" you're still doing something that even every animal knows is not right.
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