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#81
Quote by Bmm386
it's my impression that there are WAY too many albums on this for it to be helpful to anyone. Maybe we should re-organize -- work out a short list and long list.

i'll poke through your list of things to drop that you mentioned way back.

anyone else want to toss some things out there to get rid of?

i'd probably drop at least these:
-Yoko Ono - Plastic Ono Band (i love Yoko, but tough to justify keeping this one on there especially when she has better developed albums)
-The Clash - The Clash
-My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything (great album, but with all of the other possible entry points into shoegaze on the list, is this really needed?)
-A.R. Kane - I
-Depeche Mode - Violator
-Nirvana - Nevermind (huge for the 90s, but has aged terribly)
-Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill (swap this for another RHP album)
-Jeff Buckley - Grace (mostly just a personal thing here)
-Scott Walker - Tilt
-The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie (yes, this album played a huge part in developing how i saw music, but how relevant is most of it today? this goes doubly because Siamese Dream is on our list)
-Air - Moon Safari
-The Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts
-The Libertines - Up the Bracket

i would probably also drop the Blur and Suede and all that britpop stuff, except for Pulp, though that is mostly just a personal distaste for it.
#82
I suggest getting rid of the following:

Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Love - Forever Changes
The Mothers of Invention (Frank Zappa) - We're Only In It For The Money
Amon Düül II - Yeti
Yoko Ono - Plastic Ono Band
David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders From Mars
Lou Reed - Transformer
The Stooges - Raw Power
Neil Young - Tonight's The Night
The Clash - The Clash
*Elvis Costello - This Year's Model
The Pop Group - Y
Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
*Talking Heads - Remain in Light
The Cure - Pornography
The Smiths - The Smiths
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
Sonic Youth - EVOL
Sonic Youth - Sister
*Dinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over Me
My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
Fugazi - Repeater
Depeche Mode - Violator
Nirvana - Nevermind
Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
Nirvana - In Utero
The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Beck - Mellow Gold
Blur - Parklife
Suede - Dog Man Star
Bjork - Post
*Radiohead - OK Computer
Cat Power - Moon Pix
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Built To Spill - Keep It Like A Secret
Low - Things We Lost In The Fire
The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2
Bright Eyes - Lifted, or the Story....
Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it In People
The Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts
The Mountain Goats - Tallahassee
M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts
The Shins - Chutes too Narrow
Les Savy Fav - Inches
Sufjan Stevens - Seven Swans
Animal Collective - Feels
The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday
Sunset Rubdown - Shut Up I Am Dreaming
Deerhunter – Microcastle/Weird Era Cont.

Some of these albums may be good, but they're definitely not essential.
#83
you forgot it in people kind of jumps out at me as essential but i don't know.

and i would say the wild the innocent and the e street band for springsteen but the others would do also.
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#84
Quote by Bmm386
I suggest getting rid of the following:

Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Love - Forever Changes

The Mothers of Invention (Frank Zappa) - We're Only In It For The Money
Amon Düül II - Yeti
Yoko Ono - Plastic Ono Band
David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders From Mars
Lou Reed - Transformer
The Stooges - Raw Power
Neil Young - Tonight's The Night
The Clash - The Clash
*Elvis Costello - This Year's Model
The Pop Group - Y
Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
*Talking Heads - Remain in Light
The Cure - Pornography
The Smiths - The Smiths
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
Sonic Youth - EVOL
Sonic Youth - Sister
*Dinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over Me
My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
Fugazi - Repeater
Depeche Mode - Violator
Nirvana - Nevermind
Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
Nirvana - In Utero
The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Beck - Mellow Gold
Blur - Parklife
Suede - Dog Man Star
Bjork - Post
*Radiohead - OK Computer
Cat Power - Moon Pix
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Built To Spill - Keep It Like A Secret
Low - Things We Lost In The Fire
The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2
Bright Eyes - Lifted, or the Story....
Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it In People
The Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts
The Mountain Goats - Tallahassee
M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts
The Shins - Chutes too Narrow
Les Savy Fav - Inches
Sufjan Stevens - Seven Swans
Animal Collective - Feels
The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday
Sunset Rubdown - Shut Up I Am Dreaming
Deerhunter – Microcastle/Weird Era Cont.

Some of these albums may be good, but they're definitely not essential
.


if this is true then i really wouldn't know what constitutes an essential album.
#85
So I've been getting into some more indie lately. I really like Built to Spill's first couple albums, Modest Mouse "Lonesome Crowded West" Death Cab for Cutie "You can play these songs with chords" Radiohead "Hail to the Thief" "IN Rainbows" But I'm kind of a noob in this genre and I don't know where to look for other good interesting music, any help would be great
#86
Quote by Pretty in Casts
So I've been getting into some more indie lately. I really like Built to Spill's first couple albums, Modest Mouse "Lonesome Crowded West" Death Cab for Cutie "You can play these songs with chords" Radiohead "Hail to the Thief" "IN Rainbows" But I'm kind of a noob in this genre and I don't know where to look for other good interesting music, any help would be great

check out some of the stuff colored in black on the list that was released post-1995. once you check some of that stuff out, suggestions will be easier.
#87
Yeah, the list is far too long. I mean, as far as I'm concerned it's a list for people who are new to indie music. Once you've listened to the essentials and gotten yourself settled in the indieversum you wont need a 100-album list to tell you what albums to listen to.

As far as Springsteen goes, Born To Run seems like the obvious choice to me. It precedes a lot of indie bands when it comes to grandiosity and drama, for example The Smiths or Arcade Fire. The former was never, as far as I know, influenced by the album but they were preceded nonetheless. Arcade Fire were definitely influenced. Also, the sort of literate lyrics make it "acceptable" for indie crowds. I don't know if that matters, but because of the lyrics, it's easier to link to indie music than any other Springsteen-album. If there can be two, I'd add Nebraska. Probably the first album recorded on a 4-track to ever be released on a major label.

While I'm far from a fan, OK Computer should definitely not be removed.

I agree on Isn't Anything. It's redundant.

Edit: Also, I think we should keep Down Colorful Hill on the list. It's the most original of theirs. Ocean Beach or Rollercoaster could be on there too, but I think Down Colorful Hill is more relevant if you want to introduce new listeners to new things. It's more slowcore-y than Ocean Beach and more consistant than Rollercoaster in my opinion. The other albums might be "better" according to some people, but that is purely subjective. So because of said reasons, I think we should keep their debut on their.

Edit 2:

If I'd make a list, it would probably look something like this:

Non-Indie Code:

Electronic
Hiphop/Rap
Other

Pre-Indie Essentials:

1960s

Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited (1965)
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (1966)
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen (1967)
Love - Forever Changes (1967) (Unsure)
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)
The Beatles - The Beatles (1968)
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society (1968)
The Band - The Band (1969)
Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica (1969) (Unsure)

1970s

Big Star - #1 Record (1972)
Nick Drake - Pink Moon (1972)
The Stooges - Raw Power (1973)
Brian Eno - Another Green World (1975)
Neil Young - Tonight's The Night (1975)
Neu! - Neu! '75 (1975)
Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run (1975) (or Nebraska?)
Patti Smith - Horses (1975)
The Clash - The Clash (1977)
David Bowie - Low (1977)
Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express (1977)
Television - Marquee Moon (1977)
Elvis Costello - This Year's Model (1978)
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures (1979)

1980s

Joy Division - Closer (1980)
Talking Heads - Remain in Light (1980)
Black Flag - Damaged (1981)

Indie/Alternative-Era Essentials

REM - Murmur (1983)
The Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy (1985)
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs (1985)
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead (1986)
Dinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over Me (1987)
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988)
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation (1988)
Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden (1988)
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique (1989)
The Cure - Disintegration (1989)
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising (1989)
Pixies - Doolittle (1989)
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses (1989)

1990s
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless (1991)
Primal Scream - Screamadelica (1991)
Slint - Spiderland (1991)
Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill (1992)
Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville (1993) (Unsure)
Nirvana - In Utero (1993) (Unsure)
The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream (1993) (Unsure)
Suede - Suede (1993)
Blur - Parklife (1994)
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)
Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand (1994)
Portishead - Dummy (1994)
Weezer - Weezer (1994)
Pulp - Different Class (1995)
Beck - Odelay (1996)
Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister (1996) (Unsure)
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads (1996) (Unsure, maybe a different Nick Cave?)
Tortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never Die (1996)
Mogwai - Young Team (1997)
Radiohead - OK Computer (1997)
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space (Unsure)
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One
Elliott Smith - X/O (1998)
Massive Attack - Mezzanine (1998)
Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over the Sea (1998)
The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin (1999)
Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs (1999)
Sigur Ros - Ágætis Byrjun (1999)

2000s

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven (2000)
Modest Mouse - The Moon and Antartica (2000)
Daft Punk - Discovery (2001)
The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2 (2001)
The Strokes - Is this it? (2001)
Bright Eyes - Lifted or The Story Is in the Soil, Keep Your Ear to the Ground (2002)
Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it In People (2002)
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002)
The Arcade Fire - Funeral (2003)
Madvillain - Madvillainy (2004)
Sufjan Stevens - Seven Swans (2004)
Animal Collective - Feels (2005)
TV On The Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain (2006) (Unsure)
The National - Alligator (2007)
Grizzly Bear - Yellow House (2007)
LCD Soundsystem - Sound Of Silver (2007)


Something like that. The list still too long, but it's in my opinion more helpful to people who are new to the genre. The 90's still have too many albums under it (this goes for the 2000s too, maybe). Also, a 4-year rule and a 1-album/artist rule have been introduced. Furthermore I've added a very unrealistic, yet easibly understandable color code for the albums that go under "Alternativ/Indie-Era Essentials", but can't quite be considered alt/indie. I considered adding a color code for "mainstream" too, but that I think that will be somewhat difficult considering indie is becoming increasingly commercialized.

Now this took a lot longer than I thought it would, so if you don't at least continue working on this list as a foundation for the new list, I will probably look up your IP numbers, names and adresses and kill y'all. Seriously, though, I would make me sadddddd.
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#89
I haven't posted on ug in what feels like forever, but this is a good thread so...I'd suggest picking a number of albums you want to have and that's that. It's not ideal, but it's easier than defining "essential". Of course the suggestion of that guy to get rid of pretty much every album that isn't Loveless seems absurd, but that depends on how narrow you want to define essential. I'd just pick a number. Essential means 50 albums that give a decent impression of indie. Done. Of course your number 50 is not as essential as number 1, but it's all opinion anyway. Let's pick a reasonable number that doesn't overwhelm a new listener, but does give them a lot of places to start. It's a pretty safe bet that if somebody totally hates Endtroducing they won't LOVE the genre of instrumental hip hop. That's what this list should be for.
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#90
If you could pick one album from here to give to someone to make them fall in love with the genre, which would it be?
#91
Might I ask why in the hell nothing by Spoon is on this list? As far as I'm concerned they're one of the biggest bands in indie.
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#92
Quote by uhh_me?
i'll poke through your list of things to drop that you mentioned way back.

-Air - Moon Safari



Why on earth would you drop this?
#93
Quote by Natrone
Might I ask why in the hell nothing by Spoon is on this list? As far as I'm concerned they're one of the biggest bands in indie.

while consistently very good, i'm not sure if they have released anything that is worthy of calling essential.

though, i do suppose that if we shift the focus of the list to be a bit more about the gateway...

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Why on earth would you drop this?

it hardly seems relevant to what is/was happening now/over the past couple years.

that and i can't say that i'm a huge fan of it and i'm not sure if anyone else here really loves it that much. maybe i am wrong. i know that i have been before.
#94
Okay, I'm gonna recommend some albums that I didn't see on there that I feel should be.
Lou Reed- Berlin
Tom Waits- Swordfishtrombones
Mark Lanegan- Bubblegum
Nick Cave & the badseeds- Tender prey
Grinderman- Grinderman
Sonic youth- Murray street
Tom Waits- Mule variations
Mark Lanegan- The winding sheet
Screaming trees- Dust
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#95
Quote by uhh_me?
it hardly seems relevant to what is/was happening now/over the past couple years.

that and i can't say that i'm a huge fan of it and i'm not sure if anyone else here really loves it that much. maybe i am wrong. i know that i have been before.


Not going to write an essay to defend this album but it developed the french pop electronica scene along with Daft Punk and Phoenix and set a template for french producers which they still work within in capturing that atmospheric vibe, and also a staple of 'so chic' culture that serge gainsbourg was already a huge part of. Some songs might seem irrelevant today but it still deserves to be on the list in the influence it gave to other artists who went on to make groundbreaking albums e.g beck, the flaming lips etc. etc.
#96
This is probably the wrong place for this, but it's probably the best place I'm gonna find.

Been listening to some bands like American Football, NMH, Alexander Jackson Jihad, Marquette, Edaline, Jazz Hands, Manchester Orchestra, so any suggestions. And yeah, yeah, I know they aren't really "indie" or whatever. Also a huge Brand New fan. Enjoy Bright Eyes too.

Tried several of the bands on the list, liked some, didn't like many. Thought this might get some better suggestions.
#97
maybe check out bands like joan of arc, black heart procession, red stars theory, sparklehorse, Jawbreaker, cap n jazz, sunny day real estate...

those might be more up your alley
#99
Why is the most recent album on the list from '08? There have definitely been essential indie albums released since then....
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#100
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ugh just re-read my previous post, what a load of wank.

i understood what you were getting at.

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Why is the most recent album on the list from '08? There have definitely been essential indie albums released since then....

unofficial two year rule. keeps people from suggesting that we add the latest hyped band. gives time to really reflect on what records are really resonant.


thinking about adding a "& Recommendations" to the end of the thread title. thoughts? would this get cluttered? maybe it would be a good cluttered?
#101
Quote by uhh_me?
unofficial two year rule. keeps people from suggesting that we add the latest hyped band. gives time to really reflect on what records are really resonant.


thinking about adding a "& Recommendations" to the end of the thread title. thoughts? would this get cluttered? maybe it would be a good cluttered?

i think it would be good to have recommendations in here, or have a recs thread... it seems like half of the threads made here are just people asking for suggestions, although nobody seems to mind them.

ANYWAY, speaking of the "2 year rule", i came in here just to say that IT'S ALMOST MPP TIME! actually, it had already leaked by this time 2 years ago, so we might as well add it to the list RIGHT NOW!
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#102
maybe a recommendation section with just a few really easily accessible albums for someone completely new to indie/alternative music. an official thread might work better though to help case by case.


I would also like to suggest American Water by the Silver Jews for the list
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#103
perhaps i will bold the top 5 (or so) most essential/easy entry points? anyone want to help me out by making suggestions on that front?

from there, maybe just the "And Recommendations" to the thread title. it'll keep things a bit more tidy in the forum section and, hopefully, more active in this thread.

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ANYWAY, speaking of the "2 year rule", i came in here just to say that IT'S ALMOST MPP TIME! actually, it had already leaked by this time 2 years ago, so we might as well add it to the list RIGHT NOW!

i'll begrudgingly allow for that discussion to happen.
#104
^ If we do do a list like that, I suggest In The Aeroplane Over the Sea. Tis an obvious choice.
#106
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^ If we do do a list like that, I suggest In The Aeroplane Over the Sea. Tis an obvious choice.


+1

Most essential is obviously Modest Mouse's This Is A Long Drive For Someone With Nothing To Think About.


I think Lonesome Crowded West is easier to get into and more essential than This is A Long Drive...


I would also suggest Yankee Hotel Foxtrot .
#107
Quote by uhh_me?
i'll begrudgingly allow for that discussion to happen.

discussion??? i thought MPP was going to be automatically in...
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#108
Quote by work sucks
discussion??? i thought MPP was going to be automatically in...

This.

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#109
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+1


I think Lonesome Crowded West is easier to get into and more essential than This is A Long Drive...


I would also suggest Yankee Hotel Foxtrot .


Long Drive is a much better album though and thats all that matters. If its a better album, its more essential in my mind.
#110
Quote by Joshua1207
Long Drive is a much better album though and thats all that matters. If its a better album, its more essential in my mind.


I knew you where gonna say this lol, but while I respect your opinion, I disagree. I still love both albums though.
#111
One of The Cures first few albums, maybe even Three Imaginary Boys, is a good entry point for indie, I think.
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#113
I nominate Bon Iver's album For Emma, For Ever Ago, I think it was released in early 2008 and Lydia's Illuminate album, also released in 2008, to be added to the essentials.
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#114
So this might be the wrong place to ask and also a terribly obvious question, but would anyone care to point me in the direction of more bands like the Pixies, Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr., i.e. "college rock", as it is called here?


TREEDIT: It's a bit amusing how the majority of people here seems to be concerned with this list's length, while on the other hand some folks call this one too short, actually.
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#115
you might like superchunk, guided by voices, built to spill, my bloody valentine, pavement, broken social scene, fugazi, spiritualized, sebadoh
to name some of the big ones
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#116
Aye, I'm utterly in love with MBV's Loveless, ironically enough, and I've been eyeing Sebadoh lately as well. The other ones I wasn't aware of beforehand, cheers.
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#118
Funny you should mention them, just today I re-downloaded Zen Arcade after not having listened to it in at least two years... should be a proper blast! I don't even remember why I deleted it in the first place, it's a right belter, that album.
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#119
maybe Throwing Muses?
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#120
Summerteeth should be on this list. People new to this stuff need to know why Wilco are legends.

Yankee is not the starting place. Not as essential.