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#1
Hey guys, I've taken an interest in Paul Reed Smith Guitars but I don't know much about them. I was wondering which models can handle high gain situations and low tunings, while still being able to achieve softer tones (mild OD etc) and nice crystal cleans?

I have seen the SE Torero includes a FR bridge, neck-thru and EMG pickups but I'd rather have passive pickups, although it looks like a very nice guitar.

I have also taken a liking to the 25th Custom 24 (not to be confused with the 25th SE Custom 24). But I can imagine it would come with a hefty price.

Are there any other models that would be suitable? And any info/opinions on the above models would be appreciated.

#3
My band's producer plays lead guitar in a heavy metal band, and plays nothing but PRS SE's. I'm not sure exactly what model but they're definitely SE's. They can rip man, for sure.
#4
Prs are usually super versatile guitars, bands like opeth or porcupine tree use these guitars and they sometimes use dropped tuning. Santana also plays a prs, you can't really go wrong with a custom 24. I don't know much about the torero, but i guess it will do metal pretty well, but not much more.
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#5
I think the frets on PRS guitars are too wide to handle metal. I think there's actually a disclaimer at the prs website that specifically warns against the use of hi-gain pickups in his guitars. That's why he had to make a special guitar for people that play metal.

You know what. What is this question. Can somebody please just tell me what the hell makes a guitar "for metal" anyway? please? please?
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#6
Don't really have a budget at the moment, just interested in the models at the moment.

Cheers hildesaw, have they still got the stock pickups installed?

I love Opeth's tone. And Santana's. Havn't heard Pocupine Tree.
I like the look of the Custom 24 too. (from the solid body line).
#7
Quote by TheAbsentOne
Budget?? PRS guitars can handle metal.


But yes, pretty expensive
#8
between the buried and me tunes to C# standard, works fine for them. plus they have a wonderful clean tone
#9
I have the original Paul Allender (with the passive pups) and I have no problem playing metal on it as well as a variety of other styles. It has been a very versatile instrument for me.

I have also tried the Mikael Akerfeldt model and found it to be just as versatile. The only drawback with Akerfeldt might be the extremely fat neck. Definitely not for everyone but I really liked it.

Both models have a 24 fret neck and played extremely well and smooth for me.
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Quote by AcousticMirror
I think the frets on PRS guitars are too wide to handle metal. I think there's actually a disclaimer at the prs website that specifically warns against the use of hi-gain pickups in his guitars. That's why he had to make a special guitar for people that play metal.

You know what. What is this question. Can somebody please just tell me what the hell makes a guitar "for metal" anyway? please? please?


If you read the original post you will see I am asking if PRS can handle "high gain situations". I said nothing about changing pickups, and I wouldn't be willing to do so. I am meaning can they handle being put through a high gain amp or OD pedal, be cranked up and still sound nice?
And thanks for your opinion on the frets, but what do you mean "too wide". Do you mean you struggle to play fast or what?
#11
Quote by murda_jr427
between the buried and me tunes to C# standard, works fine for them. plus they have a wonderful clean tone

Yup, just saw them the other night. Paul played his PRS Custom 22 through a Mark V and it was heavy as balls, though they use D-Activators.

But PRS guitars can be metal machines.
#12
Quote by HeadlessCross
If you read the original post you will see I am asking if PRS can handle "high gain situations". I said nothing about changing pickups, and I wouldn't be willing to do so. I am meaning can they handle being put through a high gain amp or OD pedal, be cranked up and still sound nice?
And thanks for your opinion on the frets, but what do you mean "too wide". Do you mean you struggle to play fast or what?


gain is in the amp. why wouldn't you be willing to change the pickups?
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#14
Quote by AcousticMirror
gain is in the amp. why wouldn't you be willing to change the pickups?


He hasn't even tried the damn guitar yet, let him make is own mind up if the stock pickups are good for what he wants to use them for.

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#15
The Torero will probably handle the sounds you mentioned best of all the PRSs. EMGs are fine for light clean sounds as well as the heavy stuff. They just don't have as much respect for the guitar's natural tones. I'd certainly find one and play it through a similar amp to your setup, then compare with one of the passive models to see what fits your total needs the best.
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#16
Quote by AcousticMirror
I think the frets on PRS guitars are too wide to handle metal. I think there's actually a disclaimer at the prs website that specifically warns against the use of hi-gain pickups in his guitars. That's why he had to make a special guitar for people that play metal.

You know what. What is this question. Can somebody please just tell me what the hell makes a guitar "for metal" anyway? please? please?

You don't need high output pickups for metal though... Lamb of God uses SD 59's, and John Schaffer from Iced Earth uses a 9k bridge pickup based on a Burstbucker.

PRS is fine for metal. Check out Between the Buried and Me. Their stock pickups are just fine, although the one I played I was less than impressed with ($3k shouldn't feel like a bulky toy in my hands)

And how would the frets be too wide? Look at what ESP and LTD use.

A guitar is for whatever genre you prefer to play on it. I used my Edwards Alexi Laiho sig with its (at the time) DiMarzio D Activator X for a jazz tune live and it sounded great.
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#17
I'm just going to have to point everyone currently debating this in the direction of Emil Werstler from Daath who is currently using a PRS Hollowbody for everything he does.
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Quote by AcousticMirror
I think the frets on PRS guitars are too wide to handle metal. I think there's actually a disclaimer at the prs website that specifically warns against the use of hi-gain pickups in his guitars. That's why he had to make a special guitar for people that play metal.

You know what. What is this question. Can somebody please just tell me what the hell makes a guitar "for metal" anyway? please? please?





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TS Prs guitars can do metal just fine, you may find some are better than others, i prefer the ones loaded with HFS than the 59 or dragonII but that is my preference.

they are great guitars and very versitile, i could get a passable metal tone out of my SE CU22 for god sake with the right amp settings.

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#19
the 25th custom 24 is a nice guitar but it has the 57/08 pickups which are PAF clones. they have low output. get the regular custom 24 with the HFS/Vintage bass pickups. those can do metal better.
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#20
I tried a PRS SE Torero and found it to be a stonkingly good guitar and would do Metal superbly. Why didn't I buy a PRS then? I simply didn't want active EMG pups so the similarly priced Jackson SL3 was a better fit for me. I believe all PRS guitars will do high gain well but of course no other PRS comes with a standard locking trem if that's important to you.
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Quote by AcousticMirror
I think the frets on PRS guitars are too wide to handle metal. I think there's actually a disclaimer at the prs website that specifically warns against the use of hi-gain pickups in his guitars. That's why he had to make a special guitar for people that play metal.

You know what. What is this question. Can somebody please just tell me what the hell makes a guitar "for metal" anyway? please? please?

T3H EMGS! FOR MOST STERILE LOUD BR00TZ EVAR. and the cleans are good too

i had a jackson rr24. 1 EMG, jumbo frets, and a floating trem. metal was all it could do, thus i would deem it "metal guitar"

on topic, i think the SE Torrero is a terrible idea. I hope it gets discontinued ASAP. It seems like PRS is just trying to get compete in the metal market, with their respectable name. It honestly looks like it should be sold be Schecter.

In my opinion, you dont need high gain pups. They may excel at 'br00tz' but there versatility cant compete. I play with pickups putting out 8k. I love my tone. I'd say go with a passive PRS. the torrero barely seems like a PRS to me, and for some reason i cant see them holding their resale value. If you look used you can find an american PRS around 1500, to 2200 if you want ten-top, birds, etc etc.

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#22
this thread delivers.

TS - The korean made SE Torerro, emgs, floyd, etc, $1000 new. Does metal.

A used MD made Custom 24 or 22 sell for $1200-1400 in mint shape with all the case candy. Does metal too.

That is a few hundred dollars very worth saving honestly.

here is a PRS "metal" guitar. i believe terrible ted rocked it. it's a custom 24.
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#23
I was always one to think as long as it has versatile humbuckers and a good neck shape any guitar can do metal. Srsly. If you like the neck and you're looking at an AMERICAN PRS I think you're pretty safe. Hell one of my friends has the old Paul Allender SE (Purple quilt top with those passive PRS SE pickups. You know before they ruined the production models with EMGs and those flametops :p and it can do cleans quite well.
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PRS guitars are great but i believe all models are 25" scale so would be slightly 'looser' on drop tuning.
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#26
The PRS tremonti se is capable of all the above. Doesn't have a tremolo though...
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PRS guitars are great but i believe all models are 25" scale so would be slightly 'looser' on drop tuning.


this is very wrong.
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mark tremonti of Alter Bridge plays PRS guitars, he gets pretty heavy sometimes, heh.
also, frontman ben burnley of breaking benjamin plays a custom PRS baritone. pretty heavy...
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#29
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this is very wrong.


oops many appologies, i have no problem being corrected as im normally wrong
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#30
Thanks for the posts everyone.
To be honest I thought the Torero reminded me of the Schecter Hellraiser. And yeah I would much prefer passives anyway.
It looks like the Custom 24 would be worth checking (though they all would). The local Rockshop deals with PRS I'll have a talk to the guys down there.

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#35
PRS guitars can definitely do metal.

I bought a PRS SE Singlecut because my band plays sort of a "alternative, progressive post-metal", so i needed a guitar that could nail both brilliant cleans and well-defined, hi-gain distortion.
In one minute i'm playing chugga-chugga rhythms, or heavy drop-D riffs, or even tremolo leads, and the next second i'm playing clean chords under vocals or arpeggios... And i still can't find another guitar for that sort of sound that satisfies me as much as a PRS does.

And if you can afford a Custom 24, go for it. That's a pretty sweet guitar for metal stuff.

Opeth used the Custom 24 in the album "Ghost Reveries", and that's the guitar Mikael Akerfeldt uses to play the heavier songs from that album live (according to Coty Allinson, their guitar tech), which are in open D tuning.
Which are pretty damn heavy songs.
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#36
If you are that much into metal why don't you try a BC Rich? Wartribe is fine
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If you are that much into metal why don't you try a BC Rich? Wartribe is fine




Wow.
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Quote by AcousticMirror


You know what. What is this question. Can somebody please just tell me what the hell makes a guitar "for metal" anyway? please? please?


Humbuckers...

Seriously. If it has humbuckers it can do metal...

That's not to say you can't do metal with single coils... (I feel like I had to say that to keep all you single-coil *****s quiet... )
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Quote by krisz93
If you are that much into metal why don't you try a BC Rich? Wartribe is fine

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