#1
Hello again.

As I have posted about a couple of times before, there will be yet another philosophical debate. As these debates interest me alot, I would like to ask the question/problem here in order to gather some ideas and to see what you guys think.

This is the question: Does the state's power threaten it's citizens' freedom?

What do you guys think?
#2
It might, as well as it might protect its citizen's freedom from corporations (not a Resident Evil reference).
#3
Well, yes. Any time the state / country / nation / gov't gains power it takes freedom away from individuals. That's not always a bad thing though. For example, the government has the power to create laws and punish offenders, so people lose the freedom to murder and steal.
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Power, in and of itself, is harmless--the threat lies in how that power is exerted.
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Social contract

If upheld properly the state no matter how much power should fear its citizens
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Please feel free t share any ideas you may have about the subject.

I believe that it does take away certain freedom.

However, it stops other citizens taking even more freedom from you...
#11
Always.
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Social contract

If upheld properly the state no matter how much power should fear its citizens


I can see you've been reading Rousseau and/or Hobbes .

IMO it can if it's used in a wrong way. However, today it's mostly used in a wrong way. It depends on the government; in totalitarian it totally does threaten freedom, on the other hand in "democratic" governments it doesn't (at least shouldn't."
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It does, but if it's done right it's in the citizens' best interest.

That depends on what political system the citizen is a part of. For Capitalism it is absolutely necessary, however it is unnecessary and harmful in other political systems.
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The idea that a state could fear is ludicrous. It has no emotions.

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I dunno mate, history thinks otherwise
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That depends on what political system the citizen is a part of. For Capitalism it is absolutely necessary, however it is unnecessary and harmful in other political systems.

You have a point there.
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That depends on what political system the citizen is a part of. For Capitalism it is absolutely necessary, however it is unnecessary and harmful in other political systems.

Capitalism is an economic system. Many different political systems embrace it many others reject it.
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Capitalism is an economic system. Many different political systems embrace it many others reject it.

I think his point was that if you have capitalism, you need state protections. I don't necessarily agree, but that's his point.
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I think his point was that if you have capitalism, you need state protections. I don't necessarily agree, but that's his point.

Yep, thanks for clarifying.
#24
The only thing I could think of is this:

The power of the state to varying degrees limits the freedom of it's citizens. However, it depends on nature of state:

EX: Communist/fascist state limits not only basic freedoms, but also human rights, whereas the constraints under a liberal democratic nation could be considered to be those needed within a civilised society.
#25
To a degree but in this society its probably still beneficial overall
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#28
Um..... yes?

Perhaps you meant to ask whether that's a bad thing? It allows for more discussion.

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