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#1
what are the worst expensive pups?

to me they are the EMG HZ's..horrible clean tone...the ibanez v7 and v8 are better(much)

only my opinion,so dont go flaming me..what do you guys think?
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What might sound like crap to you might be somebody else's dream sound. It's all preference.
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What might sound like crap to you might be somebody else's dream sound. It's all preference.


yeah,thats why i'm asking your preference..
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What might sound like crap to you might be somebody else's dream sound. It's all preference.


No... the EMG HZ is truly one of the worst pups ever made... but normal active EMGs are ossim
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No... the EMG HZ is truly one of the worst pups ever made... but normal active EMGs are ossim

Is that why Alexi plays with them and has one of the most popular sigs right now?
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No... the EMG HZ is truly one of the worst pups ever made... but normal active EMGs are ossim



I have some in my les paul and unless you compare them head to head with the active emg's, i really doubt you will notice a significant difference
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No... the EMG HZ is truly one of the worst pups ever made... but normal active EMGs are ossim


No they're not. I have an H4/H2-N combo right now, and I love it. H4 for metal, H2 for blues and solos and cleans. It does all of them well enough to justify spending money on them.
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#8
you have to take what kind of amp you are using into the factor when you are judging EMG-HZ. and yes they do sound like crap on a 15w practice amp but different on tube amp.

And for $69 per pu I dont think it's over priced.
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#9
I don't get the hype about Bare Knuckle Pickups. For the price, meh I dunno they don't sound that great to me from the clips I've heard or the YT videos I've seen. Maybe I need to try them myself to get a better understanding who knows but charging 99 Pounds for the VHII and its not even a custom shop wind is a tough sell for me when you can have MJ over at Seymour Duncan Custom Shop wind you a '78 model for $160 and have it exactly to your liking (pole spacing, wax potted or not, bobbin color, 2 or 4 conductor wire etc)
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#10
i think the EMG's kick ass, but when it comes to try and play a STP song its impossible, but my amp is pretty shit
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#12
EMG-Hz are not that bad. I have them in my Jackson and they sound great through my tube amp; the bridge has a really nice midrange bite that is great for distortion, and the neck is very nice clean. Ive had the regular EMG 81 and 60, and although Id like to eventually upgrade, they sound well enough that it isnt a priority.
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#13
Yeah, EMG HZ's are quite good OP, maybe they're not really suitable with your setup. They do wonders on both my gain and clean setups.
Dimarzio X2N was my biggest letdown. They ended up too muddy on my ibanez sz, so I gave it to a friend to install it on his washburn (wr150 or something), worked much better gain-wise.
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I don't get the hype about Bare Knuckle Pickups. For the price, meh I dunno they don't sound that great to me from the clips I've heard or the YT videos I've seen. Maybe I need to try them myself to get a better understanding who knows but charging 99 Pounds for the VHII and its not even a custom shop wind is a tough sell for me when you can have MJ over at Seymour Duncan Custom Shop wind you a '78 model for $160 and have it exactly to your liking (pole spacing, wax potted or not, bobbin color, 2 or 4 conductor wire etc)


Pretty much anything you want can be done by BKP if you get in contact with them.

Relevant to TS, the Seymour Duncan Dimebucker and Invader are just satanically bad
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The Dimebucker is bad for the money, but I've heard worse ''metal'' pickups. Same goes for the Invader, and pretty much everything DiMarzio makes. The general trend is the more ''metal'' a pickup is, the crappier it is and often the more it costs.

That said, I wouldn't consider Seyour Duncan or DiMarzio to be 'expensive' pickups. For exmaple, the common SD JB model humbucker is about £50, half of what some brands charge per pickup (though speaking of that: the JB is shite too).

I'd agree with Bare Knuckle. I don't get how they can charge £100 a pickup when they really don't sound any better than the most average Seymour Duncan or DiMarzio. I get that yeah, they can make you anything if you want - but that comes at an even higher price. For that money, the SD Custom Shop can make the same pickups too, or you could go to a proper bespoke pickup company like Juicy, Wizard or Swineshead. All will cost less than the custom job from Bare Knuckle and be just as good (if not better - I've never found a Bare Knuckle pickup that can come close to any of my Swinesheads). This is all getting away from the fact that their standard models of pickup are as generic as aftermarket pickups can be and certainly not worth a hundred quid a pop.
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^ I love my Swinesheads too, but I think they're out of business now?
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#17
Yeah i dont like the HZs either. But tbh the only time ive heard them were in a knock off strat. So it couldve been a combination of different things. I wouldnt buy them anyway.

Dimebucker sounds thin and trebely, why the balls would you get a dimebucker when you could get the actual L500 dime used for like half the cost.
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Yeah i dont like the HZs either. But tbh the only time ive heard them were in a knock off strat. So it couldve been a combination of different things. I wouldnt buy them anyway.

Dimebucker sounds thin and trebely, why the balls would you get a dimebucker when you could get the actual L500 dime used for like half the cost.


I heard it in a LTD alexi 600 played through a vypr tube,and didnt like the cleans at all...

To be honest,dimarzios and SDs are considerably good compared to other high gain pups...
#19
HZ's are hard to figure. I have them In my jackson and I like that pretty good. The cleans can be a little off but with just a little distortion they sound great.

That being said I tried a schecter with HZ`s in it at guitar center and it sounded like crap.
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#20
You guys throw the term HZ around like there is only 1 kind.

There are like 4 or so different models of HZ's that are produced.

I personally like the one I have. EMG ALX, which is a HZ-H2 with Ceramic & Steel Magnets. PAF style PU. Does exactly what I want it to.
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#21
Definitely the Invader is number 1.

Also every is on Dimarzio pickups dick, but i'm still yet to hear a dimarzio pickup that I would ever even consider buying.
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But I'll let you off because you like Corts

I dont know the prices, but id say Rockmonkey, The clip sound horrible
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#24
I don't know... I use a lot of pickup brands and I like them all for different reasons... I didn't find the BKPs to be worth the price I paid but others do so who knows.
#25
DiMarzio Humbucker from hell, but not because it's bad, but because of the sheer fact that the name does not match the idea (a full sized h umbucker pickup that sounds like a weak old single coil), and makes it kind of funny, in a Metasonix ****ing ****er 15 Watt head kind of way, it's even a crazy red and yellow color. There's something amusing about products like that that makes me want to buy them, just for the challenge of making them sound good.
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#27
Dimebuckers

they aren't bad but damn they are pretty expensive
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#28
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You guys throw the term HZ around like there is only 1 kind.

There are like 4 or so different models of HZ's that are produced.

I personally like the one I have. EMG ALX, which is a HZ-H2 with Ceramic & Steel Magnets. PAF style PU. Does exactly what I want it to.
a pickup with ceramic magnets will never be a PAF style pickup.
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DiMarzio Humbucker from hell, but not because it's bad, but because of the sheer fact that the name does not match the idea (a full sized h umbucker pickup that sounds like a weak old single coil), and makes it kind of funny, in a Metasonix ****ing ****er 15 Watt head kind of way, it's even a crazy red and yellow color. There's something amusing about products like that that makes me want to buy them, just for the challenge of making them sound good.


Yeah, I never understood why it was called that. There has to be a story behind it o.O

I just find pickups to be quite fickle sometimes. The best pups I've ever heard are in a cheap Tanglewood Strat which I bought for my girlfriend. They are unbelievable.

As for worst...the worst I ever heard were some EMG HZ's in a Zakk Wylde Buzzsaw guitar.
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#30
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a pickup with ceramic magnets will never be a PAF style pickup.


Whatever......that's what the EMG site says and it sound very similar to a PAF Pro....so.........yea.
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#31
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^ I love my Swinesheads too, but I think they're out of business now?
They shut down at the end of last year, citing that they were swamped with orders. They weren't able to update order tracking, they couldn't respond to all the e-mails they were getting, etc. They said they would be back up sometime in the new year but of course we're coming up to the end of May now and still no sign of them. I keep meaning to get in contact with them and see what's up. They're the only company so far where I have paid more than £70 for a pickup and not felt cheated. Of course I'm kicking myself for not buying a load of their pickups when they were £40 each instead of £89, but ah well. Just before they went MIA they were charging £99 for any humbucker with wood bobbins, and to me that was still worth it.

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DiMarzio Humbucker from hell, but not because it's bad, but because of the sheer fact that the name does not match the idea (a full sized h umbucker pickup that sounds like a weak old single coil)
They explain the idea behind the name on the site. Stick it in the bridge position with a lot of gain (which is of course what most people think of doing with DiMarzio pickups) and it's the most cutting, shrill mess and close to impossible to get a nice tone out of. Hence, it is the humbucker from hell. If it gave a great tone, surely it would be the humbucker from heaven, no?

Although I do think a neck humbucker that was too bass-heavy would fit the name more than a bridge humbucker that was too treble-heavy, but ah well.

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I dont know the prices, but id say Rockmonkey, The clip sound horrible
Yeah, I know the dude comes to U-G a bit so I refrained from ripping into them before, but now that someone else has mentioned them, sod it. If the clips are any indication, they're really not worth £80 for a covered pickup. It's not that they sound bad exactly, but they don't sound like £80 pickups should. Irongears sound better and cost what, £20-£25 each?
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#32
Maybe it would be easier for you to list pickups you don't hate? I'm just curious to what pickups you like.
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They shut down at the end of last year, citing that they were swamped with orders. They weren't able to update order tracking, they couldn't respond to all the e-mails they were getting, etc. They said they would be back up sometime in the new year but of course we're coming up to the end of May now and still no sign of them. I keep meaning to get in contact with them and see what's up. They're the only company so far where I have paid more than £70 for a pickup and not felt cheated. Of course I'm kicking myself for not buying a load of their pickups when they were £40 each instead of £89, but ah well. Just before they went MIA they were charging £99 for any humbucker with wood bobbins, and to me that was still worth it.


Haha yeah. I paid 55 for my wood covered hums, and 35 for the wood covered single, I believe.
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#34
I have several BKPs and I find every one that I purchased to be worth every penny. Tim at BKP will do anything you want for no charge the only thing that costs extra is covers. He'll even distress the covers for no charge. He will over/underwind, 2 or 4 conductor, long or short leg, different pole screws, colored bobbins, etc. Every BKP is built to order so unless you buy from a dealer that has them in stock they truly are custom pickups.

I also think HZ's are horrible and the Dimebucker is as well. I do love a lot of Dimarzios with the Tone Zone/Air Norton set being my favorites.
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#35
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I'd agree with Bare Knuckle. I don't get how they can charge £100 a pickup when they really don't sound any better than the most average Seymour Duncan or DiMarzio. I get that yeah, they can make you anything if you want - but that comes at an even higher price. For that money, the SD Custom Shop can make the same pickups too, or you could go to a proper bespoke pickup company like Juicy, Wizard or Swineshead. All will cost less than the custom job from Bare Knuckle and be just as good (if not better - I've never found a Bare Knuckle pickup that can come close to any of my Swinesheads). This is all getting away from the fact that their standard models of pickup are as generic as aftermarket pickups can be and certainly not worth a hundred quid a pop.


Yup thats what I said as well and besides, Maricela Juarez in the SD Custom Shop is one of the best in the business and has been winding pickups for decades now. You can special order pretty much anything from them and they'll do it. I ordered the '78 model back in summer of '08 and everything from the communication to fast delivery to the quality was first class.
Like I said before I'm not knocking down BKP and saying they suck, maybe its the UK prices things are more expensive over there so I can understand that but I don't get the hype and the price...or maybe its just here on UG, cause I see them recommended quite a lot and I wonder how many actually owned one for an extended period of time or if they are just copying what others said.

Gotta say though, I thought it was all hype and crap and smoke and mirrors and what not with the EVH Frankie pup, I thought the '78 SD Custom Shop was the best pickup I ever heard. Then GAS got the better of me and I was curious so I bought the Frankie pup to see how it is and it absolutely blew me away. Who knew.
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#36
I have owned 7 or so BKP's and still have 5. I can say from quite a bit of time spent with them that they are awesome. As for the price in the UK they really are about the same price as a Dimarzio. We get screwed with the exchange rate and the dollar not being worth shit right now.
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#37
I have EMG, actives 81, and the passive HZs in another guitar, they are actually pretty similar sounding side by side test with the same amp, I thought the passives would be crap but their not,
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I have owned 7 or so BKP's and still have 5. I can say from quite a bit of time spent with them that they are awesome. As for the price in the UK they really are about the same price as a Dimarzio. We get screwed with the exchange rate and the dollar not being worth shit right now.



Actually your Pound has dropped off significantly, right now might be the best time to buy if you're in North America, or at least for Canadians
Glad to hear from someone who likes them and has owned many of them. It feels like another fad here on UG, everyone and their grandmother is recommending them. I wouldn't mind giving them a shot one day and see of course what its all about. I don't mind paying a premium for a really good quality pickup and something different. A lot of the boutique stuff especially with stomp boxes is over hyped but then there are those few really good manufacturers out there. One of the boutique gear I'd love to try one day is Metro Amps.
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#39
I'm not a huge EMG active humbucker fan but I do like their single coils. Invaders do sound like ass and I'm not too crazy about the mentioned RockMonkey pickups either.


As far as stuff I DO like, I still believe (for metal and hard rock) that the Gibson 500T is one of the best OEM pickups for the genre, very dirty and aggressive. DiMarzio Super Distortions are cool pickups and I like SD Pearly Gates in the bridge and the 59' in the neck on guitars.


EDIT: I just checked out IronGear since I've never heard of them in the States. I'm really digging the Rolling Mill humbucker they've got, it reminds me of a Pearly Gates without the slightly harsh breakup
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Actually your Pound has dropped off significantly, right now might be the best time to buy if you're in North America, or at least for Canadians
Glad to hear from someone who likes them and has owned many of them. It feels like another fad here on UG, everyone and their grandmother is recommending them. I wouldn't mind giving them a shot one day and see of course what its all about. I don't mind paying a premium for a really good quality pickup and something different. A lot of the boutique stuff especially with stomp boxes is over hyped but then there are those few really good manufacturers out there. One of the boutique gear I'd love to try one day is Metro Amps.


the thing about them is that you get a matched set. Drop them in and if you choose the right pickups for your wood they sound exactly like you think they should sound. No fussing around required.
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