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#1
There will never be another X album. The universe is not in the same place.
The planets and stars are not aligned. Changing style ≠ selling out.

Discuss.
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#3
It depends how big a deal it is they make of being the one genre, even then any musician can do what they want.
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#7
Oh I'm totally serious. (NOT CEREAL)

Like what if Dream Theater (who I don't listen to) put out a country album?

Is it selling out to try to appeal to a different audience?
Regardless if its for the money. One band I hear a lot of selling out about is Metallica.
I don't think they even needed the money after so many years. Although I do think you're selling out if you go Gene Simmons after the first or second album.
Pop artists tend to gravitate towards that a little more. But that's why its called POP.

I don't like how my post ended so I'm typing these words down.
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#10
Musicians have the right to do whatever they want artistically. If you don't like it, then too bad.
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#11
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Is this poking fun at Fassa's thread?


I'm wondering what you alls define 'selling-out'. Yeah I got the idea from there.
And yeah should have probably taken my post to that thread but I think this deserves its own topic..

..or not
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Is this poking fun at Fassa's thread?

seems plausible, ts's english isn't that good...
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#13
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Musicians have the right to do whatever they want artistically. If you don't like it, then too bad.

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seems plausible, ts's english isn't that good...


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Born and raised in the US. I just really suck at explaining things.

just messin with ya.

but i really couldn't understand what your original post was saying.


anyways, to answer the question on how i would define "selling out," i would say changing your style or practices for the main purpose of making more money.
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Musicians have the right to do whatever they want artistically. If you don't like it, then too bad.


Yes but can they do it without being 'sold-out' ?
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Yes but can they do it without being 'sold-out' ?



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I thought this was going to be another failed Fessa mirror thread. I was equally disappointed.


Disappointed that its not?

No really. People are ___ about calling bands sold out
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#20
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Yes but can they do it without being 'sold-out' ?

can you change style without selling out? yes, but if buckethead started playing 2:00 long songs with 3 chords and cheesey vocals like "ooh yeah babe, ooh yeah" his fans would say he's selling out, BUT (and this is a big but!) if buckethead actually preffered this style of music then he would not be selling out. mmmmmkay
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#21
Artists can do whatever the **** they want.
"OMG, wtf!!! They sold out, they're not true musicians!!!111oneone!" = "Look at me, I'm a whiny bitch. If I become a musician I will make every album sound EXACTLY the same!!! Did I mention that I'm a whiny bitch also!!!"

Well, boohoo! As long as they have everything you don't (except for nerdy glasses and an ugly face covered with acne), you better shut the **** up!

Thats pretty much, how I feel about this subject.
#22
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Yes but can they do it without being 'sold-out' ?

If it's what the artists want to do artistically, then it's not selling out.
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#23
Artists are free (imo) to play whatever style of music they want.
However, I gotta draw the line somewhere so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcoPW53yO3E

Don't get me wrong, I like the song, but they really did. And they stole Architects' style. In almost every way.
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Yes but can they do it without being 'sold-out' ?


Of course you can, it's when you change for the sake of grabbing more money that you begin selling out. I don't think it's selling out if the band decides they want to stop making heavy metal songs and settle it down to soft rock or whatever.

If they band wants to try something different, the fans should appreciate that. After all, the band calls the shots, not you or me.
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#26
Er... if you say so
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#27
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you know what would be weird.....if the Beatles did a hard rock song...oh wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWuXmfgXVxY

watch nowhere boy on dvd, jhon lennon was pretty hard rock if you ask me
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#28
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Pop artists tend to gravitate towards that a little more. But that's why its called POP.

That's what I try to beat into beat into people's heads (god knows why) when they ask me why that's my favorite music, but they just don't get it.
#29
But if bands play the music they've always played just for the fans (and don't enjoy it anymore) instead of doing what they want themselves, artistically (changing musical direction or whatever)... would that be selling out?
#30
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But if bands play the music they've always played just for the fans (and don't enjoy it anymore) instead of doing what they want themselves, artistically (changing musical direction or whatever)... would that be selling out?

It really doesn't matter. Music is what it is. Trying to label everything as one thing or another, as black and white, is stupid. Just accept the fact that the music has been written, recorded, and/or performed, and have whatever opinion you want about the music as an art, not as a consumer product.
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#31
Of course they should be allowed to do whatever they want to do. At least then they're doing things for themselves and the things they enjoy. If Metallica decided to do an electro-thrash crossover album, let them. Even if it is "for the money," then they're still doing what they want to do. Hence my belief that selling out is a big pile of crap.
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It really doesn't matter. Music is what it is. Trying to label everything as one thing or another, as black and white, is stupid. Just accept the fact that the music has been written, recorded, and/or performed, and have whatever opinion you want about the music as an art, not as a consumer product.


I definitely see it as an art! I was merely wondering if fans of a band/genre see it like that as well. Because I'd say that these fans often jump to the conclusion that a band is selling out if "their" band doesn't stay true to a single sound.
#33
Yeah, of course they can. It's their music, they make what the hell they want. Obviously if, say, Cannibal Corpse started making dance music, their record label wouldn't be too impressed, but at the end of the day they can do what they want.

It's simply changing style, they might lose some fans who don't like the new style, but they'll gain fans who do like it.
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If Metallica decided to do an electro-thrash crossover album, let them.

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#34
bands are not necessarily selling out if they change style, it's when the decision over artistic output is corrupted by a desire for more income that is the point when a band begins to sell out.

for example, even if a band "stayed true" to their original sound, if really they wanted to move on but kept that sound to please the fans, then they're selling out.

an artist should be allowed to do whatever they want without restraints, everyone changes with time, and therefore their music would too in most cases.

rant over:P
#35
I think it depends on the level of the change, like if cannibal corpse suddenly started putting out christian rock, I think we'd be kind of weirded out.

But if it's like Bon Jovi going more country as someone said, that's not too massive of a change, so it's ok.
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#36
Its possible to change musical style completely and not sell out. Look at Opeth's Damnation. From Progressive death to soft progressive rock in one swoop - and it kicked ass
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#37
You know, I think it's okay to want your records to sell. You're probably lying if you say you wouldn't play music you don't like for ludicrous amounts of money.
#39
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can you change style without selling out? yes, but if buckethead started playing 2:00 long songs with 3 chords and cheesey vocals like "ooh yeah babe, ooh yeah" his fans would say he's selling out, BUT (and this is a big but!) if buckethead actually preffered this style of music then he would not be selling out. mmmmmkay


You need to realize that not ever pop-esque song uses 3 chords. Mmkay? Just like every Green Day song does NOT use 3 chords. Mmkay? And even if it does, that does not constitute "selling-out," because before I played guitar I could never even tell nor did I CARE how many chords were in a song. The listeners don't care, so I think that point is moot.
#40
TS is annoying.

OT: yes ofcourse, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't.
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