#1
Alright. So I bought a Fender Deluxe Fat Strat, and after drooling over Stevie Ray Vaughan, wanted to put thicker strings on it. So I bought the D'Addario 11-49 wound 3rd set and put them on.

Problem 1: Whenever I would go to bend the G, I could only bend it like a half step, and a whole step required me to almost pull the string off the fretboard. Is this normal?

Problem 2: Whenever I tried to bend the G-A strings at the 2nd fret (think "Are You Gonna Go My Way" riff"), the strings would pop right out of the nut slot. So I tried to sand the G's nut slot down and made the problem worse.

What are the solutions to this problem? I'm thinking for a possible replacement nut, purchasing a Fender roller nut. Good/bad idea?
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#3
Could try putting a floyd rose style locking nut on that'd stop the problem but unless your good at diy go to a pro for it, or change back to your standard gauge strings.
#4
Well, I'd like to stick to the thicker strings. But I just wouldn't think that a string sliding and popping out of it's nut slot when bent is a normal occurence with gauge increase. I figured that the poor containment of the string at the nut is part of the insane amount of pull it takes to pitch a bend.
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#5
You may want to slot the nut deeper. You also could try a roller nut. But I would go for the deeper slotted nut
#6
well, I kinda searched around for other threads related to this, and I remember reading someone saying "make the slot wider, NOT deeper." I ended up making like a crater where the slot was. how do I go about this? What kind of effect would a roller nut do? more stabilized tuning? Would the string be farely secure in it's slot? What does it do for the tone?
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#7
For #1: welcome to the world of pointlessly thick strings.

For #2: You'll need a good set of files to alter the nut slots - most people would buy a set of nut files. Nut alteration is something that needs to be very precise as a badly cut nut is the main reason why so many cheap guitars go out of tune constantly. A set of nut files will cost quite a lot though. In addition, if you've already buggered up your existing nut you'll need to get anew one anyway - my suggestion would be to take the guitar to a good, qualified luthier, hand them a new, good nut (a Graph Tech graphite/string saver/trem nut would be best) and ask them to install it and set the guitar up for the .11s.
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#8
for problem one, it could very well be thick strings that are the problem. also, when you're bending try bending up instead of down. if you bend towards the low E string you'll have a better time of keeping it on the fretboard.

problem two: i would definitely look into getting a replacement nut. it might be worth it to get a nice LSR roller nut or even bone or graphite if you wanted a real upgrade. once a nut is badly cut it's usually impossible to fix it. you can't really add more material to the thing, you can only really shave it off.
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#9
Quote by MrFlibble
For #1: welcome to the world of pointlessly thick strings.

For #2: You'll need a good set of files to alter the nut slots - most people would buy a set of nut files. Nut alteration is something that needs to be very precise as a badly cut nut is the main reason why so many cheap guitars go out of tune constantly. A set of nut files will cost quite a lot though. In addition, if you've already buggered up your existing nut you'll need to get anew one anyway - my suggestion would be to take the guitar to a good, qualified luthier, hand them a new, good nut (a Graph Tech graphite/string saver/trem nut would be best) and ask them to install it and set the guitar up for the .11s.


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#10
Wound strings are always harder to bend to the desired pitch than plain ones. Even if the tension of a wound string is lower than that of a plain string of the same diameter, the windings work against your fingers, making the string feel stiffer.

MrFlibble pretty much covered the 2nd issue, I would only add that you can also try to get a piece of delrin and carve a nice, self lubricating nut out of it.
#11
I was looking at two different nuts: A Graph-Tech Trem Nut and a Fender LSR Roller Nut. Which would accomadate my string gauge hold my strings better? The Graph-Tech is definately winning my interest, since it's a good deal cheaper then the Fender

And the string comes out bending both ways. When I tried to file it myself I made the problem worse, so I'm just going to cough up the money to get a new one.
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#12
Graphtech. The roller nuts are no good for larger guage strings.
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#13
Actually the LSR can handle a standard .11 set just fine. It's not ideal for it, but it can work. That said, the LSR nut has quite a unique tone that may not to be to your tastes, especially if you're after a SRV vibe. Since the nut slot/shelf has to be modified slightly for the LSR it means once you've gone for the LSR you can't switch back to a regular nut. If you get a normal nut first you can try that out and if you don't like it then you can give the LSR a go.
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#14
Well then I'll go for the normal nut. Thank you for the help!
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