#1
I can write lyrics okay, but not really that mean anything. Maybe extremely loose or a few lines mean something, but mostly I just make it sound nice.

What are your thoughts on this? It almost makes me feel as if my songs aren't as "real" because they don't have much meaning. But then at the same time, I will listen to a 12-minute Bob Dylan song and wonder if he had any clue what he was singing about.
#2
It doesn't really matter but you're more likely to write better songs when you know the story behind them and you know what it is you're trying to tell. Maybe you could give an example?
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#3
Your songs don't have to mean anything if you don't want them to. Listen to My Morning Jacket's songs "Run Thru" and "Highly Suspicous." Don't set limitations or rules on your music. It is yours after all.


As a side note: Desolation Row DOES have a very deep meaning haha. I doubt any Dylan songs didn't.
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#4
I think it depends on the genre in indie rock you get alot of jibberish songs in death metal almost every song means something in country it usually does too, but who says you can't be different. All that matters is that you like it
#5
Every single song John Lennon wrote meant absolutely nothing. He will admit it. People come up to him and talk about how some song changed their lives, and he will tell them straight to their face that it meant nothing.
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#6
Listen to RHCP for God's sakes. "First born unicorn... hardcore soft porn..."

Also, I find it ironic the indie rock lyrics are fail, pointless, and painful, but sang well... And that metal has good lyrics, but I can't understand them, cause the bastards just want their voices to sound like the white noise on my radio.
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Listen to RHCP for God's sakes. "First born unicorn... hardcore soft porn..."

Also, I find it ironic the indie rock lyrics are fail, pointless, and painful, but sang well... And that metal has good lyrics, but I can't understand them, cause the bastards just want their voices to sound like the white noise on my radio.


Haha thats so true
#8
metal rarely has good lyrics, i'm embarrassed for you for thinking that.


also, it matters for me when i'm writing my own lyrics, but i don't really care when i listen to other people's songs, so idk. it's totally different with each person.
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#9
I disagree some metal has great lyrics I love some of Whitechapel, and Job For A Cowboy lyrics, then there are metal bands like Knights of the Abyss who have crap lyrics
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#10
I don't think it's too important as long as the theme and feeling is in place. People in the past complimented some of my lyrics and asked what they were about and the answers have been just like "love" "Anger" "Loss" because that's what they were about thematically. But the people listening got their own idea of a story and their own idea what they meant and Its a good thing. Many songwriters don't actually tell people what their songs are about so they can interpret the songs themselves.
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metal rarely has good lyrics, i'm embarrassed for you for thinking that.


also, it matters for me when i'm writing my own lyrics, but i don't really care when i listen to other people's songs, so idk. it's totally different with each person.

I will contest that statement. Keep your opinions to yourself, stating them like they are fact just makes you look like a jerk.

If you don't think metal has good lyrics then you obviously listen to the wrong metal bands lol. There are a boatload of good metal bands write very deep and metaphorical lyrics.
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I will contest that statement. Keep your opinions to yourself, stating them like they are fact just makes you look like a jerk.

If you don't think metal has good lyrics then you obviously listen to the wrong metal bands lol. There are a boatload of good metal bands write very deep and metaphorical lyrics.


+1. I agree.


Also, it doesn't seem like everyone gets the same message from a song anyway, so it really doesn't matter if you don't know what you're writing about. What matters is that other people receive a message from it. It doesn't have to be the same message, but they need to FEEL the song.
#13
Thom Yorke of Radiohead has said he has no idea what he's singing about and it's usually the rest of the band who bring a meaning to the songs.
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#14
I rather suspect that all songwriters at one time or another have had or will have no idea what they're writing about.
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Listen to RHCP for God's sakes. "First born unicorn... hardcore soft porn..."

Also, I find it ironic the indie rock lyrics are fail, pointless, and painful, but sang well... And that metal has good lyrics, but I can't understand them, cause the bastards just want their voices to sound like the white noise on my radio.


Uh. Not to rain down on your parade but Californications meaning is pretty obvious including "First born unicorn... hardcore soft porn..." Unicorns are a make-believe animal obviously, and I relate that with the fake personalities often found in Hollywood. Porn is also in hollywood. Thats just my opinion though. Sometimes making no sense and being pointless has a point and makes sense.

You can stereotype music genre's all you want, in fact your stereotyping any music by just labeling it as a genre imo, but only the artist knows the true meaning of any of the songs they wrote and they all mean something, even if its simple.

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#17
William Worsworth says, "Poetry is the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings: it takes its origin from emotion recollected in tranquility."

Bob Dylan says, "I don't know how I got to write those songs. Those early songs were almost magically written."

Whoever said John Lennon's songs did not mean anything to him... perhaps you're being one of those overly sarcastic non-helpful troll punks?

Words are tricky, because even if a sentence doesn't make sense the words used will still create a tone with the images they conjure and perhaps more-so with how they sound. In music the sounds of words might matter more than their definitions, but it is best to have sounds work with definitions: to have content match form.

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Whoever said John Lennon's songs did not mean anything to him... perhaps you're being one of those overly sarcastic non-helpful troll punks?



I was just being one of those people that read his autobiography where he directly states it, and referencing the fact that he's considered an important member of the whole "nonsense" movement, you know, where the whole point is to make no fucking sense.

So no, no trolling here. Nice try though.
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#19
Sounds like it's more about the crazed fans that say certain songs changed their lives. John Lennon's like "Get a grip, it's just a song".

There are a lot of bands with odd lyrics or lyrical topics, but they more often than not have some more down to earth songs as well. I challenge everyone to name a band that doesn't.
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#20
Just because you don't know the meaning of lyrics doesn't make them rubbish.
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#21
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I can write lyrics okay, but not really that mean anything. Maybe extremely loose or a few lines mean something, but mostly I just make it sound nice.

What are your thoughts on this? It almost makes me feel as if my songs aren't as "real" because they don't have much meaning. But then at the same time, I will listen to a 12-minute Bob Dylan song and wonder if he had any clue what he was singing about.


To turn the question back around, does everyone have to have the same answer to this question? Some will answer your question yes, some no, and none of them are you.

Examples of little-to-no sense in lyrics are Captain Beefheart and Adrian Belew. I don't know how true it is but I heard at least some of he lyrics for the talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" were created by stringing together random words and then adjusting them to be the closest words that sounded similar but did make sense, and so the name.

Don;t bad feel about about Dylan. Nobody can understand what he says anymore much less tell what he means.
#22
Even when I know what they mean, I try and make them ambiguous. Probably because my concepts for songs tend to be pretty lame. So no, I'm happy if they just sound cool.
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#23
well i think its all good unless your lyrics are all chicky love lyrics or theyre really cheesy
#24
yes metal bands have good lyrics. but dethklok?-wtf? that guys voice sounds like a locust trooper fro m gears of war.hartredcopter!? theres a band from south africa Aking.maybe im stupid but their lyrics are really confusing,but really,they are such nice sing along songs even if you dont know what it means.
#25
I quite often write lyrics and then come up with a meaning afterwards. Strangely the lyrics frequently end up meaning something important to me even if I son't have a clue when I wrote it.
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#26
dont let anybody tell you that meaning matters because in music IT SIMPLY DOESN'T. sure, if you feel passionately about something you can end up making a better song than just an everyday "whatever" song, but there's no reason not to use a song without meaning if you like how it sounds. and if you actually want a song to mean something, when some1 asks, just tell them it means whatever you were thinking at the time you wrote it. like lets say you just lost ur job, and thats the most important thing on ur mind, and u write a song and the lyrics have NOTHING to do with it, you can still say that losing ur job is the meaning, because it probably did subconsciously influence the way the song turned out, maybe more the instrumentation than lyrics. you can try to attach meaning later, like being ur own psychiatrist, finding out what you mean after you talk, its not important while ur actually writing the song and having meaning wont always change the end result of the song for the better.
#27
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Listen to RHCP for God's sakes. "First born unicorn... hardcore soft porn..."


Not to piss on your bonfire or anything but "First born unicorn... hardcore soft porn" refers to Dorothy Stratten who was written about in the book "The Killing of the Unicorn". It might sound jibberish but Antony Kiedis does have very clever thought out lyrics.
#28
You're full of shit Ganoosh.
I was reading an interview that was done with him, and he said that he wrote about things that were very real to him. He said that alot of them were written after he read the news, and figured out what was going on in the world.
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#30
i almost always write lyrics my strumming some chords and opening my mouth and things will flow usually. THEN i try and decipher the meaning behind my own lyrics haha